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What we saw out of our qb play 2 out of the first 3 weeks is a real NFL caliber passing game. I agree with Nunin, had Teddy (the golden child for some reason who never produced) gotten us in the end zone that field goal would have been irrelevant. What would have Bradford's numbers had been last year if he had a 1,500 yard rushing season from Peterson? Case closed.



No those weren't. They were aberrations! not even Brady or Rodgers play that way consistently if you go by QBR. Once Bradford or Keenum do that 3 or 4 times in a row we can talk. The absurdity goes both ways here. Suddenly a Injury ridden inconsistent slightly above average QB in Bradford is going to be our GOAT because he lit it up in *one* game? Or A QB who has started more games than TB and not produced wins has a career game against a team that he always has career games in, after sucking complete and total #### in the game a week before and now HES in front of Bridgewater? The excuse making, imo is coming far more heavily from the Bradford Keenum Camp than anyone else, they are FAR more known commodities than TB.


People need to remember that LAST year was the weird year for Bradford, this year, being on pace to miss 66% of the games, is far more like him.

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What we saw out of our qb play 2 out of the first 3 weeks is a real NFL caliber passing game. I agree with Nunin, had Teddy (the golden child for some reason who never produced) gotten us in the end zone that field goal would have been irrelevant. What would have Bradford's numbers had been last year if he had a 1,500 yard rushing season from Peterson? Case closed.



No those weren't. They were aberrations! not even Brady or Rodgers play that way consistently if you go by QBR. Once Bradford or Keenum do that 3 or 4 times in a row we can talk. The absurdity goes both ways here. Suddenly a Injury ridden inconsistent slightly above average QB in Bradford is going to be our GOAT because he lit it up in *one* game? Or A QB who has started more games than TB and not produced wins has a career game against a team that he always has career games in, after sucking complete and total #### in the game a week before and now HES in front of Bridgewater? The excuse making, imo is coming far more heavily from the Bradford Keenum Camp than anyone else, they are FAR more known commodities than TB.


People need to remember that LAST year was the weird year for Bradford, this year, being on pace to miss 66% of the games, is far more like him.

I say that as a Bradford fan.

I'm kind of in the Bradford camp, although I'm honestly in the camp of any Vikings quarterback who plays competently and helps the team win. So I'll ask: WHAT excuse making?

There really shouldn't be any question about Sam Bradford's toughness. He played last year under tremendous duress and often in pain. He almost never had time to throw, and he took more shots than a frat boy on a weekend bender. Yet he played the entire season, save for Week 1, and only came out for a couple of plays when he took a particularly vicious hit. Despite everything, Bradford not only had his best season as a pro, he also had a better season than any Vikings quarterback since Favre. That's just a fact.

So I guess I don't get the "excuse making" comment.

All that being said, I'm seriously disappointed that Bradford has missed the past two games. No excuses. I'm disappointed. However, it must be a legitimate injury, or he'd be out there. He proved that last year.

Again, I'm a fan of any Vikings quarterback who can play competently and win. I don't care if it's Sam Bradford, Teddy Bridgewater, Case Keenum, Kyle Sloter or Jeff George (cuz, well, you know he can still play). And you know, we've had pretty good quarterback play for the past 18 games now -- 26 touchdowns and just 5 picks during that time. We really should not be complaining about QB play.

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I'm kind of in the Bradford camp, although I'm honestly in the camp of any Vikings quarterback who plays competently and helps the team win. So I'll ask: WHAT excuse making?

There really shouldn't be any question about Sam Bradford's toughness. He played last year under tremendous duress and often in pain. He almost never had time to throw, and he took more shots than a frat boy on a weekend bender. Yet he played the entire season, save for Week 1, and only came out for a couple of plays when he took a particularly vicious hit. Despite everything, Bradford not only had his best season as a pro, he also had a better season than any Vikings quarterback since Favre. That's just a fact.

So I guess I don't get the "excuse making" comment.

All that being said, I'm seriously disappointed that Bradford has missed the past two games. No excuses. I'm disappointed. However, it must be a legitimate injury, or he'd be out there. He proved that last year.

Again, I'm a fan of any Vikings quarterback who can play competently and win. I don't care if it's Sam Bradford, Teddy Bridgewater, Case Keenum, Kyle Sloter or Jeff George (cuz, well, you know he can still play). And you know, we've had pretty good quarterback play for the past 18 games now -- 26 touchdowns and just 5 picks during that time. We really should not be complaining about QB play.


Who is questioning his toughness? He is tough, he is also extremely injury prone and last year, him playing every game he started, is very unique for bradford. He is delicate by QB standards.


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Everyone should count our blessings. Bradford, Keenum, and TB are Vikings. Hard to beat those three as a pkg. So far. It will take it's own course and time. As long as Keenum is playing well, let's ride the live arm. Worry about tomorrow, tomorrow.

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I'm kind of in the Bradford camp, although I'm honestly in the camp of any Vikings quarterback who plays competently and helps the team win. So I'll ask: WHAT excuse making?

There really shouldn't be any question about Sam Bradford's toughness. He played last year under tremendous duress and often in pain. He almost never had time to throw, and he took more shots than a frat boy on a weekend bender. Yet he played the entire season, save for Week 1, and only came out for a couple of plays when he took a particularly vicious hit. Despite everything, Bradford not only had his best season as a pro, he also had a better season than any Vikings quarterback since Favre. That's just a fact.

So I guess I don't get the "excuse making" comment.

All that being said, I'm seriously disappointed that Bradford has missed the past two games. No excuses. I'm disappointed. However, it must be a legitimate injury, or he'd be out there. He proved that last year.

Again, I'm a fan of any Vikings quarterback who can play competently and win. I don't care if it's Sam Bradford, Teddy Bridgewater, Case Keenum, Kyle Sloter or Jeff George (cuz, well, you know he can still play). And you know, we've had pretty good quarterback play for the past 18 games now -- 26 touchdowns and just 5 picks during that time. We really should not be complaining about QB play.


Who is questioning his toughness? He is tough, he is also extremely injury prone and last year, him playing every game he started, is very unique for bradford. He is delicate by QB standards.

Well, I thought you did ... you talked about "excuse making" coming from the Bradford camp. My bad, I guess. However, you still haven't answered MY question ... what excuse making? Bradford is injured. He's out until he's not, so I'm a little confused. I haven't seen the excuses, but I haven't read every word of every thread.

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I have a sneaking feeling we will be seeing a lot more Keenum in the coming weeks, maybe several. My gut tells me something bad is wrong with Bradfords knee. They just don,t want to say it


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I have a sneaking feeling we will be seeing a lot more Keenum in the coming weeks, maybe several. My gut tells me something bad is wrong with Bradfords knee. They just don,t want to say it


But he's gotten how many opinions now and nothing serious has came out. If it was serious, we would've heard it by now.

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Bone bruises take 1-2 months to heal. It's not like he *should* be back by now with the injury that was reported. It wouldn't be shocking for him to be out until week 8 or later with just what's been reported.

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This isn't the case with Bradford but Romo brought up something last night about reporting injuries. Montgomery broke a few ribs in the game and Tony commented that the reason teams don't like to disclose certain injuries is to protect the player. If Montgomery is able to play next week, the defense will certainly target his ribs. I've heard Zimmer repeatedly say he's trying to protect his players when asked about players injuries.

On a side note, I really like Romo as a commentator. He brings a side of football that has never been introduced to the broadcast. Wonder if he would consider playing again?

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This isn't the case with Bradford but Romo brought up something last night about reporting injuries. Montgomery broke a few ribs in the game and Tony commented that the reason teams don't like to disclose certain injuries is to protect the player. If Montgomery is able to play next week, the defense will certainly target his ribs. I've heard Zimmer repeatedly say he's trying to protect his players when asked about players injuries.

On a side note, I really like Romo as a commentator. He brings a side of football that has never been introduced to the broadcast. Wonder if he would consider playing again?
He isn't as annoying as I thought he would be. He seems to be able to effectively analyze the game which is not easy to do on the fly, especially for someone who has never done it before.

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Honestly I don’t know if Bradford or Teddy are a good
Solution for a QB due to injury concerns.

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May need to change the thread title to "(insert most impact player name here) knee?? "

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This isn't the case with Bradford but Romo brought up something last night about reporting injuries. Montgomery broke a few ribs in the game and Tony commented that the reason teams don't like to disclose certain injuries is to protect the player. If Montgomery is able to play next week, the defense will certainly target his ribs. I've heard Zimmer repeatedly say he's trying to protect his players when asked about players injuries.

On a side note, I really like Romo as a commentator. He brings a side of football that has never been introduced to the broadcast. Wonder if he would consider playing again?


I'm commenting on this because I'm too depressed to discuss the injury situation.

Romo is the best commentator to come along in at least 10 years. He knows more of the modern game than just about all the other guys put together. Hopefully it'll be a trend and the broadcasters will recognize that the old guys are all past due and they'll bring in more young guys that know the current state of the game.

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This isn't the case with Bradford but Romo brought up something last night about reporting injuries. Montgomery broke a few ribs in the game and Tony commented that the reason teams don't like to disclose certain injuries is to protect the player. If Montgomery is able to play next week, the defense will certainly target his ribs. I've heard Zimmer repeatedly say he's trying to protect his players when asked about players injuries.

On a side note, I really like Romo as a commentator. He brings a side of football that has never been introduced to the broadcast. Wonder if he would consider playing again?


I'm commenting on this because I'm too depressed to discuss the injury situation.

Romo is the best commentator to come along in at least 10 years. He knows more of the modern game than just about all the other guys put together. Hopefully it'll be a trend and the broadcasters will recognize that the old guys are all past due and they'll bring in more young guys that know the current state of the game.
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May need to change the thread title to "(insert most impact player name here) knee?? "


Unfortunately, that sounds like a very good idea

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This isn't the case with Bradford but Romo brought up something last night about reporting injuries. Montgomery broke a few ribs in the game and Tony commented that the reason teams don't like to disclose certain injuries is to protect the player. If Montgomery is able to play next week, the defense will certainly target his ribs. I've heard Zimmer repeatedly say he's trying to protect his players when asked about players injuries.

On a side note, I really like Romo as a commentator. He brings a side of football that has never been introduced to the broadcast. Wonder if he would consider playing again?


I'm commenting on this because I'm too depressed to discuss the injury situation.

Romo is the best commentator to come along in at least 10 years. He knows more of the modern game than just about all the other guys put together. Hopefully it'll be a trend and the broadcasters will recognize that the old guys are all past due and they'll bring in more young guys that know the current state of the game.

I like Romo, but he does have some things to learn. He's a little quick to offer his opinions on stuff, before he knows the outcome or sees a replay. And he's a little excitable in his communication. But man, he knows the game. I love it when he dissects replays because he's really good. I also like how he can call out what's going to happen based on formation, personnel, defensive look, etc. It's obvious he was a student of the game, and also that he recently played. He understands today's NFL.

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I'm kind of in the Bradford camp, although I'm honestly in the camp of any Vikings quarterback who plays competently and helps the team win. So I'll ask: WHAT excuse making?

There really shouldn't be any question about Sam Bradford's toughness. He played last year under tremendous duress and often in pain. He almost never had time to throw, and he took more shots than a frat boy on a weekend bender. Yet he played the entire season, save for Week 1, and only came out for a couple of plays when he took a particularly vicious hit. Despite everything, Bradford not only had his best season as a pro, he also had a better season than any Vikings quarterback since Favre. That's just a fact.

So I guess I don't get the "excuse making" comment.

All that being said, I'm seriously disappointed that Bradford has missed the past two games. No excuses. I'm disappointed. However, it must be a legitimate injury, or he'd be out there. He proved that last year.

Again, I'm a fan of any Vikings quarterback who can play competently and win. I don't care if it's Sam Bradford, Teddy Bridgewater, Case Keenum, Kyle Sloter or Jeff George (cuz, well, you know he can still play). And you know, we've had pretty good quarterback play for the past 18 games now -- 26 touchdowns and just 5 picks during that time. We really should not be complaining about QB play.


Who is questioning his toughness? He is tough, he is also extremely injury prone and last year, him playing every game he started, is very unique for bradford. He is delicate by QB standards.

Well, I thought you did ... you talked about "excuse making" coming from the Bradford camp. My bad, I guess. However, you still haven't answered MY question ... what excuse making? Bradford is injured. He's out until he's not, so I'm a little confused. I haven't seen the excuses, but I haven't read every word of every thread.



Excuse making for Bradford, as in, He somehow isn't an injury prone journeyman QB who has flashes of brilliance that never stick. That is LITERALLY Bradford's career to this point. Yet somehow its how Teddy is defined enough though he has only started 20 something games in two seasons compared to Bradford's 6 or 7.

A perfect example is the one way comparison street "What if Bradford had, had Peterson's 1500 yard season /thread" but never, "what if Bridgewater had, had the cleanest Oline play in 3 years like Bradford and Keenum got?"


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Excuse making for Bradford, as in, He somehow isn't an injury prone journeyman QB who has flashes of brilliance that never stick. That is LITERALLY Bradford's career to this point. Yet somehow its how Teddy is defined enough though he has only started 20 something games in two seasons compared to Bradford's 6 or 7.

A perfect example is the one way comparison street "What if Bradford had, had Peterson's 1500 yard season /thread" but never, "what if Bridgewater had, had the cleanest Oline play in 3 years like Bradford and Keenum got?"

Interesting. I haven't seen much of that, but I didn't see the thread you mentioned. I guess I don't read every thread.

If I were to make any excuse for Sam Bradford, it's that he played his first four years for Jeff Fisher. That guy is murder on quarterbacks. Bradford has tremendous arm talent, one of the best combinations of arm strength and accuracy/ball placement in the league. He's smart, and he works hard. There's a reason he was the No. 1 pick, and there's a reason teams haven't simply given up on him. He's very talented. Unfortunately, yes ... Bradford has gone through two ACL tears and just hasn't been able to stay healthy. For me, it's less of an excuse and more of what he could be (or could have been) if he'd had a solid offensive coach and if he'd stayed healthy. I also root for the guy. He's got all the talent in the world, save for any real mobility, and he's a Viking. I want him to succeed.

As for Teddy, there is nothing I would love more than for TB to come back strong and become the quarterback we all hoped he could be. I find it impossible to not root for this young man. The way he's conducted himself through this horrific injury ... just phenomenal. I really hope he makes it back and plays well. I'd much rather see the Vikings forced to make a very difficult decision about Teddy and Sam, rather than Sam just getting the job by default because TB can't make it back.

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Excuse making for Bradford, as in, He somehow isn't an injury prone journeyman QB who has flashes of brilliance that never stick. That is LITERALLY Bradford's career to this point. Yet somehow its how Teddy is defined enough though he has only started 20 something games in two seasons compared to Bradford's 6 or 7.

A perfect example is the one way comparison street "What if Bradford had, had Peterson's 1500 yard season /thread" but never, "what if Bridgewater had, had the cleanest Oline play in 3 years like Bradford and Keenum got?"

Interesting. I haven't seen much of that, but I didn't see the thread you mentioned. I guess I don't read every thread.

If I were to make any excuse for Sam Bradford, it's that he played his first four years for Jeff Fisher. That guy is murder on quarterbacks. Bradford has tremendous arm talent, one of the best combinations of arm strength and accuracy/ball placement in the league. He's smart, and he works hard. There's a reason he was the No. 1 pick, and there's a reason teams haven't simply given up on him. He's very talented. Unfortunately, yes ... Bradford has gone through two ACL tears and just hasn't been able to stay healthy. For me, it's less of an excuse and more of what he could be (or could have been) if he'd had a solid offensive coach and if he'd stayed healthy. I also root for the guy. He's got all the talent in the world, save for any real mobility, and he's a Viking. I want him to succeed.

As for Teddy, there is nothing I would love more than for TB to come back strong and become the quarterback we all hoped he could be. I find it impossible to not root for this young man. The way he's conducted himself through this horrific injury ... just phenomenal. I really hope he makes it back and plays well. I'd much rather see the Vikings forced to make a very difficult decision about Teddy and Sam, rather than Sam just getting the job by default because TB can't make it back.



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Excuse making for Bradford, as in, He somehow isn't an injury prone journeyman QB who has flashes of brilliance that never stick. That is LITERALLY Bradford's career to this point. Yet somehow its how Teddy is defined enough though he has only started 20 something games in two seasons compared to Bradford's 6 or 7.

A perfect example is the one way comparison street "What if Bradford had, had Peterson's 1500 yard season /thread" but never, "what if Bridgewater had, had the cleanest Oline play in 3 years like Bradford and Keenum got?"


First of all, Bradford is far from a "journeyman" QB and when it comes to overall talent as a QB, Sam is hands down the better QB over Teddy. Teddy's intangibles help him out but Bradford's arm, accuracy, release, etc is way better than Teddy's. Thats pretty obvious

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Hopefully Sammy Boy will be ready soon. If not Monday hopefully next game. If not Monday, if CK can hold the fort down and win this one, 2-2 is about what you could expect.

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Excuse making for Bradford, as in, He somehow isn't an injury prone journeyman QB who has flashes of brilliance that never stick. That is LITERALLY Bradford's career to this point. Yet somehow its how Teddy is defined enough though he has only started 20 something games in two seasons compared to Bradford's 6 or 7.

A perfect example is the one way comparison street "What if Bradford had, had Peterson's 1500 yard season /thread" but never, "what if Bridgewater had, had the cleanest Oline play in 3 years like Bradford and Keenum got?"


First of all, Bradford is far from a "journeyman" QB and when it comes to overall talent as a QB, Sam is hands down the better QB over Teddy. Teddy's intangibles help him out but Bradford's arm, accuracy, release, etc is way better than Teddy's. Thats pretty obvious



Yeah, and its translated into... oh... nothing. Total jack. he is 33-45. and a 2-1 td/int rate. Career completion percentage of 62%

Again, I am a Bradford fan, but he has proven jack total crap all in his career. Except that he *has* a high ceiling that he very very rarely hits.


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Has Sam ever played a complete season without getting hurt?


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Has Sam ever played a complete season without getting hurt?
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Has Sam ever played a complete season without getting hurt?
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Yes? Why? I cant remember a season where he actually started every game.


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Yes? Why? I cant remember a season where he actually started every game.


:lol: uh last year?

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Excuse making for Bradford, as in, He somehow isn't an injury prone journeyman QB who has flashes of brilliance that never stick. That is LITERALLY Bradford's career to this point. Yet somehow its how Teddy is defined enough though he has only started 20 something games in two seasons compared to Bradford's 6 or 7.

A perfect example is the one way comparison street "What if Bradford had, had Peterson's 1500 yard season /thread" but never, "what if Bridgewater had, had the cleanest Oline play in 3 years like Bradford and Keenum got?"


First of all, Bradford is far from a "journeyman" QB and when it comes to overall talent as a QB, Sam is hands down the better QB over Teddy. Teddy's intangibles help him out but Bradford's arm, accuracy, release, etc is way better than Teddy's. Thats pretty obvious



Yeah, and its translated into... oh... nothing. Total jack. he is 33-45. and a 2-1 td/int rate. Career completion percentage of 62%

Again, I am a Bradford fan, but he has proven jack total crap all in his career. Except that he *has* a high ceiling that he very very rarely hits.


And what's Teddy done? Neither QB has "proven" anything. Either way, I don't really care what Sam Bradford did when he was at the St Louis Rams. Those were horrible teams. I want to see what he can do now. That's what I want to see. Not what his career record is. Since he's been gone from the Rams he had career years. That says something about how bad those teams were

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Yes? Why? I cant remember a season where he actually started every game.[/quote]

:lol: uh last year?[/quote]

He didnt play a full season last year. Has he ever?


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Post Re: Bradfords knee??
PurpleKoolaid wrote:

He didnt play a full season last year. Has he ever?


Yes. 2010 and 2012. I would also argue that he played all the games last season because the one that he missed wasn't due to injury.


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