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I know it's early but I think this could be a turning point of this team. The powers that be are ranking the Lions as high as #4 even though they beat two bad teams and was getting blown out VS the Falcons until ATL almost repeated their superbowl nightmare. Someone on NFLN even picked Stafford over Brady and Rodgers to have as their 4th qtr QB. I'm still not buying.

The Lions have no running game. Now is the time for Zimmer to unleash Barr and his exotic blitz packages. Seems like he's been relying more on his front 4 to apply pressure keeping more in coverage. IMO, he needs to blitz early and often.

Very important for the offense to score early in this one.
Keenum did well against the Lions last year and I think he'll do well again.

Big game this week.

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This will be a huge test for our pass D. I would like to see our line put pressure on Stafford to knock him off his game and also be consistent in the 2nd half. No comeback drives.

As for the offense, I think the run game is getting better and with that we should get some 25+ yards passing plays completed.


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I just want to see Harrison Smith blow up Golden Tate....

I agree that this is our biggest game of the season so far. This is the game where we have to "prove it". I am looking forward to all the divisional match ups coming up in the next few weeks, in 3 weeks it will be more clear who is at the top of the division and who is at the bottom. C'mon Sunday!

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Reiff vs. Ansah and Diggs vs. Slay are a couple of matchups I'm interested in seeing. Slay is legit.

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I agree that this is a prove it game, but to me it is more proving they can beat the teams they should beat. The Lions were one of my two poser teams from last year (the other being Dallas), therefore this is a game we should win. IMO, the biggest thing to watch is whether or not we are able to take charge of this game early and dominate them. If this is a nail biter game then, IMO, we are not playing like a dominant playoff team. The OL in particular needs to show it can make it happen against a non-bottom dweller NFL defense.

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I'm worried about the pass defense. Stafford isn't going to throw red zone picks like Wineston did, and like I said, almost every play, Tampa had WRs WIDE M-F'N open. Stafford is overrated, IMO, but he is a good QB and is capable of lighting it up if needed.

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Would like to see us abuse Stafford like we did 2 years ago......last year was a weird year (except 1st 5 games). I expect different results this time around.


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I just watched the NFLN replay of the Falcons-Lions game.

Really surprised at how easily the Falcons ran the ball against Detroit. I know ATL's offensive line is good, and Davonte Freeman is good, but they were gashing the Lions. Also, the pass defense isn't that great. Darius Slay got a pick, but it was a dropped pass that popped up right to him.

Detroit is a good team, but our roster is better. We're at home. If our O-line can keep Keenum or Bradford upright, we should win this game. Of course, we should have won both games last year.

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I just watched the NFLN replay of the Falcons-Lions game.

Really surprised at how easily the Falcons ran the ball against Detroit. I know ATL's offensive line is good, and Davonte Freeman is good, but they were gashing the Lions. Also, the pass defense isn't that great. Darius Slay got a pick, but it was a dropped pass that popped up right to him.

Detroit is a good team, but our roster is better. We're at home. If our O-line can keep Keenum or Bradford upright, we should win this game. Of course, we should have won both games last year.



Cook will have a good game, I don't think our division has completely adapted to no Peterson yet. I am such a huge fan of our new, more consistent yardage in the run game. For years NFCN teams especially could basically "bake in" Peterson killing at least one drive by getting back to back TFL and putting insane pressure on the QB


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In order to contend for the division, I think the Vikings will have to at least split games with the Lions. The next time they play will be on a short week, on the road, so it would be great if this team could pull off a win with Keenum at the helm.

Honestly, to me this week is more a "nice to have" than a make it or break it type week. This team is more or less in survival mode until Sam or Teddy can come back. I think they can win, the Vikings are tough to beat in that stadium, but I think it's going to be quite a battle.


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I just watched the NFLN replay of the Falcons-Lions game.

Really surprised at how easily the Falcons ran the ball against Detroit. I know ATL's offensive line is good, and Davonte Freeman is good, but they were gashing the Lions.


Yea I see what you mean but having Julio can help with opening the run game for the Falcons. Maybe the Lions D will give Diggs and Thielen that respect and that will lead us to Cooking up some yards for lunch.


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I just watched the NFLN replay of the Falcons-Lions game.

Really surprised at how easily the Falcons ran the ball against Detroit. I know ATL's offensive line is good, and Davonte Freeman is good, but they were gashing the Lions.


Yea I see what you mean but having Julio can help with opening the run game for the Falcons. Maybe the Lions D will give Diggs and Thielen that respect and that will lead us to Cooking up some yards for lunch.

I actually hope they do like everybody else and FAIL to give Thielen the respect he deserves. At some point, opposing defenses are going to have to wake up to the fact that the undrafted free agent is LEGIT.

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I just watched the NFLN replay of the Falcons-Lions game.

Really surprised at how easily the Falcons ran the ball against Detroit. I know ATL's offensive line is good, and Davonte Freeman is good, but they were gashing the Lions.


Yea I see what you mean but having Julio can help with opening the run game for the Falcons. Maybe the Lions D will give Diggs and Thielen that respect and that will lead us to Cooking up some yards for lunch.

I actually hope they do like everybody else and FAIL to give Thielen the respect he deserves. At some point, opposing defenses are going to have to wake up to the fact that the undrafted free agent is LEGIT.


I'm with ya there Kapp....I'm thinking just about the time other teams give Thielen the respect he deserves Floyd will be available (and I have a feeling contributing fairly quickly) so there will have to be some interesting decisions made by opposing DCs. I really don't see why this offense cannot keep competing at a higher level as long as the OL continues to perform at or near the level they have thus far.


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J. Kapp 11 wrote:
I just watched the NFLN replay of the Falcons-Lions game.

Really surprised at how easily the Falcons ran the ball against Detroit. I know ATL's offensive line is good, and Davonte Freeman is good, but they were gashing the Lions.


Yea I see what you mean but having Julio can help with opening the run game for the Falcons. Maybe the Lions D will give Diggs and Thielen that respect and that will lead us to Cooking up some yards for lunch.

I actually hope they do like everybody else and FAIL to give Thielen the respect he deserves. At some point, opposing defenses are going to have to wake up to the fact that the undrafted free agent is LEGIT.


I think they respect him, they just have an issue in that if they over commit to Thielen they'll get burned by Diggs. Both WR have yet to face upper echelon NFL cover CB though. Slay will provide some of that this week.

This offense has some very potent skill position players. Cook has shown he can get results and Rudolph is an upper tier TE. The weakness has always been the pass protection, if that can hold up, then they should be able to continue to get results.

Aside from the QB injury, I think the offense producing is huge boon. It is giving the defense some "cushion" so younger guys like Waynes and Alexander can learn without blowing games. Of course, that assumes they eventually learn...

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1st divisional game of the season. As tight as it is so far we have to win tbis one. ALL games are important but we all know within the division are a little more so.

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Coach Zimmer says that Sam Bradford will miss #DETvsMIN. @casekeenum7 will get his 3rd straight start.

Zimmer is hiding something about Sam's knee. He isn't even practicing.


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Coach Zimmer says that Sam Bradford will miss #DETvsMIN. @casekeenum7 will get his 3rd straight start.

Zimmer is hiding something about Sam's knee. He isn't even practicing.
I agree. I'm worried now. It would be crazy if teddy was back practicing before Sam.


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Coach Zimmer says that Sam Bradford will miss #DETvsMIN. @casekeenum7 will get his 3rd straight start.

Zimmer is hiding something about Sam's knee. He isn't even practicing.



Andrew Bynum missed 5 weeks because of a bone bruise. Why do you think he's hiding something?

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Not sure if it was mentioned before but Blake Bell played QB in college. Maybe the Vikings can use him in short yardage situations.


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Coach Zimmer says that Sam Bradford will miss #DETvsMIN. @casekeenum7 will get his 3rd straight start.

Zimmer is hiding something about Sam's knee. He isn't even practicing.
I agree. Something is not right. When is our bye?

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It makes sense to take it easy on Sam after Keenum's performance last week. If they can continue to win games, getting Bradford Healthy will be a huge boon heading into the the latter half of the season.

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It makes sense to take it easy on Sam after Keenum's performance last week. If they can continue to win games, getting Bradford Healthy will be a huge boon heading into the the latter half of the season.


Exactly I dont know why everyone is saying Zim is hiding something? It became public that Dr. Andrews himself said there was nothing wrong with it other than a bone bruise. Andrews' name wouldnt just be getting thrown all over the place is Sam had a serious knee issue going on. It doesnt work that way. Nothing is being hidden. Nate Burleson said on GMFB that he was out 6 weeks for a bone bruise before and that it's extremely painful

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I will say, this offense is very hard to predict right now. Last year with McKinnon and Asiata you had to worry about nothing if you were an opposing team. If you're an opposing DC right now, how do you game plan?? If you key on Diggs, Thielen will burn you. If you key on Thielen, Diggs will burn you. If you try and extend out to both of them the middle should be wide open for Rudy. And you got Cook who is one of the most dangerous RBs in the league right now and can burn you running and catching the ball right now. No less our OL has been playing great (knock on wood). You pair it with this defense and we are a very difficult thing to beat.

On defense, just from seeing how Detroit played us last year, we need to get our CBs up in press coverage. Stafford murdered us with short throws last year in both games. If we press and give our DL the chance to get after Stafford and take advantage of a guy like Robinson going against Griffen we could dominate this game.

I'm going to say 28-16 Vikings

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Nice article in the Ringer about the Vikings offense:
https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2017/9/29 ... am-thielen
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This offense feels and looks different. This year, the foundation’s been fortified. Diggs has developed into that true go-to guy, the playmaker that Bradford or Keenum can throw to in high-pressure situations. Thielen gives them a talented secondary option and can get behind a defense on any given snap. And with Cook, the team has what looks to be an elusive home run hitter that can create on his own and take a ton of pressure off his quarterback. Holding it all together is what looks like a much improved offensive line, which has given up only three sacks in three games, tied for third fewest in the league (the Vikings gave up 38 sacks last year, which ranked 23rd).


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Solid article. This was an excellent offseason IMO by Rick Spielman. Obviously everyone knows I'm a big Spielman supporter but for not having a first round pick going into this year and having some pretty massive needs, Spielman did a great job assessing them.

Going into this season we needed pretty much every position on the OL other than the position Berger decided to settle at.

Remmers worries me at times but for the most part has held his own
Reiff has been a stud of a LT so far this year
Easton has been up and down but is still young. An average starter IMO
Elflein has been a rock at C.

Cook is the real deal. And we have probably the best "backup" RB in the league in Murray
Keenum is a top 5 backup in the league and last week proved that.
Even though we have a rotation going on at 3 tech, our run defense has been top 5 in the league
Gedeon seems to be a solid starting WLB and special teamer.
Coley seems to be a solid late round find
I really want to see Jaleel Johnson at 3 tech. It's hard to just plug him in there right now because our interior is playing so well but I feel like he would be better than Stephen at least. Maybe even Tom Johnson

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I'm disappointed Treadwell hasn't been able to find his way into providing for the team yet. He's a great run blocker and that's about it. It will be interesting to see if he remains 3rd on the depth chart when Floyd returns. I'm not completely writing him off, it takes most receivers 3 years to hit their stride, but his lack of production is worrying.


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I'm disappointed Treadwell hasn't been able to find his way into providing for the team yet. He's a great run blocker and that's about it. It will be interesting to see if he remains 3rd on the depth chart when Floyd returns. I'm not completely writing him off, it takes most receivers 3 years to hit their stride, but his lack of production is worrying.


I've heard comments that he was open a lot in the last game. It would be nice to see some sort of breakout game. Maybe this week?

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Gedeon seems to be a solid starting WLB and special teamer.


A few examples on how Gedeon is progressing.[OC] A Gif Breakdown of Ben Gedeon and What He's Done for the Vikings' Run Defense




The last pic in the above link. How can you not like Gedeon?

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I'm disappointed Treadwell hasn't been able to find his way into providing for the team yet. He's a great run blocker and that's about it. It will be interesting to see if he remains 3rd on the depth chart when Floyd returns. I'm not completely writing him off, it takes most receivers 3 years to hit their stride, but his lack of production is worrying.


I've heard comments that he was open a lot in the last game. It would be nice to see some sort of breakout game. Maybe this week?
He was a few times but so was Thielen and Diggs. Treadwell runs really good routes, at least from what I could tell last week at the game. He is a better run blocker than Patterson was, and I thought he was good.
Who will the odd man out be when Floyd comes back?

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I'm disappointed Treadwell hasn't been able to find his way into providing for the team yet. He's a great run blocker and that's about it. It will be interesting to see if he remains 3rd on the depth chart when Floyd returns. I'm not completely writing him off, it takes most receivers 3 years to hit their stride, but his lack of production is worrying.


I've heard comments that he was open a lot in the last game. It would be nice to see some sort of breakout game. Maybe this week?
He was a few times but so was Thielen and Diggs. Treadwell runs really good routes, at least from what I could tell last week at the game. He is a better run blocker than Patterson was, and I thought he was good.
Who will the odd man out be when Floyd comes back?

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