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this could get really really ugly

Post by VikingPaul73 » Mon Aug 28, 2017 9:48 pm

http://www.vikings.com/media-vault/vide ... 76b4158d53


To those saying "don't worry, it's just preseason" please watch this interview. He seems totally distraught. I just have an uneasy feeling that this season is going to completely unravel into a 3-13 or worse campaign. Again I know it's preseason but this looks a lot more like the 3-8 team (really 2-8 because it's hard to count that last game against the bears) that finished the season than the 5-0 team that started it.
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Post by mosscarter » Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:40 pm

His body language there is clearly disturbing. I tell you what, he better get something figured out especially with regards to scoring points or I doubt he is around next year. They kept saying all camp and leading up to the season they wanted to "stretch the field" more on offense. To my recollection, Bradford really only attempted 1 really deep throw and it was incomplete. It frustrates me that they aren't even taking shots. How are you supposed to improve if you don't even try?
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Post by Demi » Tue Aug 29, 2017 12:05 am

Shurmur has no business running an offense.
He's a proven failure.
Why did he get another try with the Vikings?
Because Spielman is a genius. :confused:
Good to know you Zimmer. :wallbang:
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Post by Hunter Morrow » Tue Aug 29, 2017 1:39 am

12 possessions, 5 sacks allowed, zero touchdowns for the starters offensively is pretty distressing.

Russell Wilson went 13-18 yards two touchdown passes and while the Vikings defense did eventually stop the 49ers, they got brutalized by Brian Hoyer on the first two possessions. At one point in the game, Brian Hoyer was 9-9 for 153 yards, 24 yard and 46 yard touchdown passes, no sacks for a perfect QB rating. Its not much of a shame to lose to a proven star and Super Bowl winner like Wilson, but Brian Hoyer?
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Post by PurpleMustReign » Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:59 am

I am more worried about the defense right now. We have put however millions of dollars into a defense that can't even stop Brian Houser and makes him look like Tom Brady. AD I'd going to break the 296 mark if we don't figure something out.

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Post by Texas Vike » Tue Aug 29, 2017 6:52 am

Zimmer must be a terrible poker player! :lol: He is very upset about the state of both the D and O and it's clear as day in this video. We looked awful in the first half. Our offensive scheme looks pathetic. What surprised me more that even our D looked really lackluster. For a team that is supposedly strong at the DL, we got very little penetration against the 9ers.

Jim jumped ship at a good time! Uffdah, this sucks.
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Post by losperros » Tue Aug 29, 2017 9:19 am

Texas Vike wrote:Zimmer must be a terrible poker player! :lol: He is very upset about the state of both the D and O and it's clear as day in this video. We looked awful in the first half. Our offensive scheme looks pathetic. What surprised me more that even our D looked really lackluster. For a team that is supposedly strong at the DL, we got very little penetration against the 9ers.

Jim jumped ship at a good time! Uffdah, this sucks.
I agree.

Regarding the offense, the state of the offensive line still concerns me the most when it comes to the scoreless starters. Something is broken. Has been for years. Is it because the Vikings can't afford real OL talent? Or is it because they can't evaluate OL talent? Is the offensive coaching simply pitifully bad? Or is it all the above? I honestly don't know at this point.

As I've said before, usually I can take preseason with a grain of salt. But I have to admit the first half non-performance by many starters on both sides of the ball has me confused about this team. Seriously, can they really be as bad as they looked?

If the Vikings play equally awful during the regular season, I have to agree with those who say Zimmer will lose his job. And I want Zimmer to succeed.
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Post by dead_poet » Tue Aug 29, 2017 1:47 pm

It all starts up front. Once again there was rarely a play where someone didn't get beat. Bradford wasn't taking chances, Diggs dropped passes and there weren't many holes. I'm also not very impressed with Shurmer but I'll wait until actual games before getting too on his case. Zimmer looked beside himself. Like he puts in so much and this is the result. I'd be pretty pissed, too.
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Post by mosscarter » Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:33 pm

you can only take analysts thoughts with a grain of salt too, but today I heard two people talking (not sure who exactly) and they both agreed Sam Bradford is the most overrated qb in the entire NFL for his salary. What did we get, 16 or 17 touchdowns from Teddy and 20 last year from Sam? Lets face it our lack of a passing game is a major problem. Even on plays where Bradford does get time he doesn't throw the ball down the field. Its sad, but we haven't had that element of a passing attack since Favre and the NFL is a passing league.
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Post by IrishViking » Wed Aug 30, 2017 8:30 am

If they have an 8-8 type year or worse or even just miss the playoffs I am pretty sure Zimmer's tenure is over and can only be objectively viewed as a failure.
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Post by Just Me » Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:06 am

mosscarter wrote:you can only take analysts thoughts with a grain of salt too, but today I heard two people talking (not sure who exactly) and they both agreed Sam Bradford is the most overrated qb in the entire NFL for his salary. What did we get, 16 or 17 touchdowns from Teddy and 20 last year from Sam? Lets face it our lack of a passing game is a major problem. Even on plays where Bradford does get time he doesn't throw the ball down the field. Its sad, but we haven't had that element of a passing attack since Favre and the NFL is a passing league.
I'm not going to try end defend Bradford, but I am going to provide some context:

In 15 games (2016), Bradford threw 20 touchdowns and 5 interceptions for a 99.3 Passer Rating. (He averaged 258.5 yards a game)

Tom Brady (2016): 28 touchdowns and 2 interceptions for a 112.2 Passer Rating. (Brady averaged 296.2 yards per game.)

Bridgewater (2015 - His most recent and best year) 14 touchdowns and 9 interceptions for a 88.7 Passer Rating (Bridgewater averaged 201.9 yards per game).


It doesn't take away from your main point that it's been a while since the Vikings have had 'elite' skill quarterback talent, but I do think that Bradford is a significant upgrade from Bridgewater. With the exception of touchdowns, Bradfords stats are closer to Brady's than Bridgewater's. Even comparing the touchdowns; Brady threw 8 more than Bradford, but Bradford still threw 6 more than Bridgewater.
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Post by 720pete » Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:13 am

Just Me wrote:I do think that Bradford is a significant upgrade from Bridgewater.
Me too, based on what I've seen thus far. But most people here seem to disagree. I feel like people would not be so obsessed with Bridgwater if he was not a first rounder and had some generic name like Tom Smith and had the exact same stats.
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Post by PurpleMustReign » Wed Aug 30, 2017 12:35 pm

Just Me wrote: I'm not going to try end defend Bradford, but I am going to provide some context:

In 15 games (2016), Bradford threw 20 touchdowns and 5 interceptions for a 99.3 Passer Rating. (He averaged 258.5 yards a game)

Tom Brady (2016): 28 touchdowns and 2 interceptions for a 112.2 Passer Rating. (Brady averaged 296.2 yards per game.)

Bridgewater (2015 - His most recent and best year) 14 touchdowns and 9 interceptions for a 88.7 Passer Rating (Bridgewater averaged 201.9 yards per game).


It doesn't take away from your main point that it's been a while since the Vikings have had 'elite' skill quarterback talent, but I do think that Bradford is a significant upgrade from Bridgewater. With the exception of touchdowns, Bradfords stats are closer to Brady's than Bridgewater's. Even comparing the touchdowns; Brady threw 8 more than Bradford, but Bradford still threw 6 more than Bridgewater.
Brady missed the first four games last year too. To your point, Bradford is the best QB the Vikings have had since Culpepper (other than Favre in '09).

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Post by dead_poet » Wed Aug 30, 2017 12:49 pm

Just Me wrote: I'm not going to try end defend Bradford, but I am going to provide some context:

In 15 games (2016), Bradford threw 20 touchdowns and 5 interceptions for a 99.3 Passer Rating. (He averaged 258.5 yards a game)

Tom Brady (2016): 28 touchdowns and 2 interceptions for a 112.2 Passer Rating. (Brady averaged 296.2 yards per game.)

Bridgewater (2015 - His most recent and best year) 14 touchdowns and 9 interceptions for a 88.7 Passer Rating (Bridgewater averaged 201.9 yards per game).


It doesn't take away from your main point that it's been a while since the Vikings have had 'elite' skill quarterback talent, but I do think that Bradford is a significant upgrade from Bridgewater. With the exception of touchdowns, Bradfords stats are closer to Brady's than Bridgewater's. Even comparing the touchdowns; Brady threw 8 more than Bradford, but Bradford still threw 6 more than Bridgewater.
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Post by mansquatch » Wed Aug 30, 2017 1:45 pm

Just Me wrote: I'm not going to try end defend Bradford, but I am going to provide some context:

In 15 games (2016), Bradford threw 20 touchdowns and 5 interceptions for a 99.3 Passer Rating. (He averaged 258.5 yards a game)

Tom Brady (2016): 28 touchdowns and 2 interceptions for a 112.2 Passer Rating. (Brady averaged 296.2 yards per game.)

Bridgewater (2015 - His most recent and best year) 14 touchdowns and 9 interceptions for a 88.7 Passer Rating (Bridgewater averaged 201.9 yards per game).


It doesn't take away from your main point that it's been a while since the Vikings have had 'elite' skill quarterback talent, but I do think that Bradford is a significant upgrade from Bridgewater. With the exception of touchdowns, Bradfords stats are closer to Brady's than Bridgewater's. Even comparing the touchdowns; Brady threw 8 more than Bradford, but Bradford still threw 6 more than Bridgewater.

:appl:

I made this point earlier today, but all indications are that the running game will be improved from last year. While the pass blocking has been suspect this pre-season, the run blocking has been much improved. That will only help the QB. Still way too early to panic on 2017.
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