If Teddy is 100%, who should be start @ QB next season?
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Re: If Teddy is 100%, who should be start @ QB next season?
I have NO confidence in Spielman to invest in a quality candidate as a 3rd QB....he hasnt ever even made a good effort for 2nd stringers.
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Re: If Teddy is 100%, who should be start @ QB next season?
Still too soon for this IMO.
Bradford will require significant upgrades to pass protection in order for the team to get the most out of him. Bridgewater's elusiveness and mobility give the team more "cushion" in this department, so does his age. However, they need to upgrade the OL no matter who plays QB, so at least in the near term, ie 2017, that issue is non-starter. In 2018 it will be more interesting. Also, there is no guarantee that TB plays another down in the NFL. Given that he probably won't be 100% until sometime during the 2017 regular season, Bradford will likely continue to be the starter unless he lays an egg in 2017.
Another factor here is AP. If/when he leaves the roster will be a transition both in scheme as well as the type of personnel needed on the OL. I sense that the team knows this though. The OL performance isn't exactly a mystery to anyone.
Bradford will require significant upgrades to pass protection in order for the team to get the most out of him. Bridgewater's elusiveness and mobility give the team more "cushion" in this department, so does his age. However, they need to upgrade the OL no matter who plays QB, so at least in the near term, ie 2017, that issue is non-starter. In 2018 it will be more interesting. Also, there is no guarantee that TB plays another down in the NFL. Given that he probably won't be 100% until sometime during the 2017 regular season, Bradford will likely continue to be the starter unless he lays an egg in 2017.
Another factor here is AP. If/when he leaves the roster will be a transition both in scheme as well as the type of personnel needed on the OL. I sense that the team knows this though. The OL performance isn't exactly a mystery to anyone.
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Re: If Teddy is 100%, who should be start @ QB next season?
Your overvauluing Teddy's scrambling ability, imo, its pretty clear that Bradford's release, pocket presence, decision making and arm strength make him far better at dealing with pressure then Teddy.mansquatch wrote:Still too soon for this IMO.
Bradford will require significant upgrades to pass protection in order for the team to get the most out of him. Bridgewater's elusiveness and mobility give the team more "cushion" in this department, so does his age. However, they need to upgrade the OL no matter who plays QB, so at least in the near term, ie 2017, that issue is non-starter. In 2018 it will be more interesting. Also, there is no guarantee that TB plays another down in the NFL. Given that he probably won't be 100% until sometime during the 2017 regular season, Bradford will likely continue to be the starter unless he lays an egg in 2017.
Another factor here is AP. If/when he leaves the roster will be a transition both in scheme as well as the type of personnel needed on the OL. I sense that the team knows this though. The OL performance isn't exactly a mystery to anyone.
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Re: If Teddy is 100%, who should be start @ QB next season?
Doesn't matter and don't care. Who ever is put back there will be on their #### before anyone is open.
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Re: If Teddy is 100%, who should be start @ QB next season?
Yeah, none of this matters untill we have 4-5 NEW, talented bonafide NFL quality Offensive linemen and THAT is what what Spielman has not shown any ability to do.
Re: If Teddy is 100%, who should be start @ QB next season?
Things that make you go hmmm....mansquatch wrote:Still too soon for this IMO.
Bradford will require significant upgrades to pass protection in order for the team to get the most out of him. Bridgewater's elusiveness and mobility give the team more "cushion" in this department, so does his age. However, they need to upgrade the OL no matter who plays QB, so at least in the near term, ie 2017, that issue is non-starter. In 2018 it will be more interesting. Also, there is no guarantee that TB plays another down in the NFL. Given that he probably won't be 100% until sometime during the 2017 regular season, Bradford will likely continue to be the starter unless he lays an egg in 2017.
Another factor here is AP. If/when he leaves the roster will be a transition both in scheme as well as the type of personnel needed on the OL. I sense that the team knows this though. The OL performance isn't exactly a mystery to anyone.
Russell Wilson: 12 games, 404 atts, 264 comp, 65.3%, 3,142 yards, 12 tds, 5 ints, comp for 1st downs 144, sacked (mobile right?) 29, sack yards lost 226, rating 93.7, 50 rushes, 188 yards, 1 TD
Sam Bradford: 11 games, 393 atts, 280 comp, 71.2%, 2,662 yards, 13 tds, 3 ints, comp for 1st downs 133, sacked (immobile right?) 28, sack yards lost 204, rating 97.5, 13 rushes, 7 yards, 0 TD
Both have horrendous OL's, Vikings is worse of course and Seattle has a better run game in Rawls/Prociese and the stability at wr with Baldwin and Kearse + Graham give Wilson better weapons too.
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Intrestering thanks for sharing!RFIP wrote: Things that make you go hmmm....
Russell Wilson: 12 games, 404 atts, 264 comp, 65.3%, 3,142 yards, 12 tds, 5 ints, comp for 1st downs 144, sacked (mobile right?) 29, sack yards lost 226, rating 93.7, 50 rushes, 188 yards, 1 TD
Sam Bradford: 11 games, 393 atts, 280 comp, 71.2%, 2,662 yards, 13 tds, 3 ints, comp for 1st downs 133, sacked (immobile right?) 28, sack yards lost 204, rating 97.5, 13 rushes, 7 yards, 0 TD
Both have horrendous OL's, Vikings is worse of course and Seattle has a better run game in Rawls/Prociese and the stability at wr with Baldwin and Kearse + Graham give Wilson better weapons too.
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Re: If Teddy is 100%, who should be start @ QB next season?
Post of the Week. Good stuff, and really surprising.RFIP wrote: Things that make you go hmmm....
Russell Wilson: 12 games, 404 atts, 264 comp, 65.3%, 3,142 yards, 12 tds, 5 ints, comp for 1st downs 144, sacked (mobile right?) 29, sack yards lost 226, rating 93.7, 50 rushes, 188 yards, 1 TD
Sam Bradford: 11 games, 393 atts, 280 comp, 71.2%, 2,662 yards, 13 tds, 3 ints, comp for 1st downs 133, sacked (immobile right?) 28, sack yards lost 204, rating 97.5, 13 rushes, 7 yards, 0 TD
Both have horrendous OL's, Vikings is worse of course and Seattle has a better run game in Rawls/Prociese and the stability at wr with Baldwin and Kearse + Graham give Wilson better weapons too.
I think Bradford has been really solid, especially given the state of the O-line. He's a quick decision maker, which is a MUST with TJ & the Four Flops protecting him. TB, who has displayed an annoying tendency to hang on to the ball for too long, might have gotten killed by now.
My vote goes to Sam.
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Re: If Teddy is 100%, who should be start @ QB next season?
I voted Teddy for the poll's sake just to throw him some love lol.
But the only clear choice is to let both guys battle it out throughout the offseason, training camp, and preseason. Sam will obviously have a huge leg up and it would be a major upset if he lost the starting job.
I want to see what happens with Sam's cap number. 17 million is a TON of money to pay a guy who could (but more than likely won't) be a backup.
But the only clear choice is to let both guys battle it out throughout the offseason, training camp, and preseason. Sam will obviously have a huge leg up and it would be a major upset if he lost the starting job.
I want to see what happens with Sam's cap number. 17 million is a TON of money to pay a guy who could (but more than likely won't) be a backup.
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I don't expect it to go down. What leverage do the Vikings have? Especially if Bridgewater can't come back.HardcoreVikesFan wrote:I want to see what happens with Sam's cap number. 17 million is a TON of money to pay a guy who could (but more than likely won't) be a backup.
Re: If Teddy is 100%, who should be start @ QB next season?
The way to bring it down would be to extend the deal.Cliff wrote: I don't expect it to go down. What leverage do the Vikings have? Especially if Bridgewater can't come back.
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Correct but he's not extending with being "the guy" FOR SURE.Mothman wrote: The way to bring it down would be to extend the deal.
This is all a mute point since they have to decide if they are going to pick up Teddy's 5th year option in the spring. If they do (I don't think they will) Sam won't be extending.
If they settle on Sam however then I think a long term deal will easily get done. I believe he really likes playing in MN and for Zim.
Improve the OL, figure out who the RB will be and lets go!
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Re: If Teddy is 100%, who should be start @ QB next season?
everyone forgets that Teddys ability to scramble only led to -
A. short dink and dunk passes (which Bradford can do)
B. throwing it out of bounds, which SEEMED like a great improvement after watching ponder et al throw INTS (which Bradford can do)
C. LOTS of blown down field opportunities
He was very much a guy that we spent a few years holding our breath and hoping for a big forward step in development. We are still waiting. Making him sit on the bench while Bradford starts MIGHT light a fire under the "nice guy" which is exactly what is needed.
A. short dink and dunk passes (which Bradford can do)
B. throwing it out of bounds, which SEEMED like a great improvement after watching ponder et al throw INTS (which Bradford can do)
C. LOTS of blown down field opportunities
He was very much a guy that we spent a few years holding our breath and hoping for a big forward step in development. We are still waiting. Making him sit on the bench while Bradford starts MIGHT light a fire under the "nice guy" which is exactly what is needed.
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Re: If Teddy is 100%, who should be start @ QB next season?
With our Oline we need a mobile QB. Teddy on the run was great.chicagopurple wrote:everyone forgets that Teddys ability to scramble only led to -
A. short dink and dunk passes (which Bradford can do)
B. throwing it out of bounds, which SEEMED like a great improvement after watching ponder et al throw INTS (which Bradford can do)
C. LOTS of blown down field opportunities
He was very much a guy that we spent a few years holding our breath and hoping for a big forward step in development. We are still waiting. Making him sit on the bench while Bradford starts MIGHT light a fire under the "nice guy" which is exactly what is needed.
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Re: If Teddy is 100%, who should be start @ QB next season?
No he wasnt. He was ok, not even close to great.YikesVikes wrote: With our Oline we need a mobile QB. Teddy on the run was great.
There is more to overcoming poor ol play then speed, Bradford is a superior option in that regard due to his better decision making, pocket presence, and arm strength/release.
Bridge with this o line would have surely taken more sacks then Bradford, especially with his tendancy to hold onto the ball too long.
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