Just seems like more of a team issue then an officiating issue.Nunin wrote: my challenge flag was in my other pants
Cardinals @ Vikings Game Day Discussion Thread -- Week 11
Moderator: Moderators
-
- Packers Suck
- Posts: 2992
- Joined: Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:40 pm
Re: Cardinals @ Vikings Game Day Discussion Thread -- Week 1
"Follow my lead today, whos goona be the big dog with me?" - Aaron Rodgers, February 6th, 2011
-
- Packers Suck
- Posts: 2992
- Joined: Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:40 pm
Re: Cardinals @ Vikings Game Day Discussion Thread -- Week 1
Which part of the sentence isnt true? Im curious why you think Rodgers responsible for the Defense.Mothman wrote:
"Follow my lead today, whos goona be the big dog with me?" - Aaron Rodgers, February 6th, 2011
Re: Cardinals @ Vikings Game Day Discussion Thread -- Week 1
Yes, which they're required to do constantly, in every game.Purple Reign wrote:to disagree. Now you are requiring the refs to make a judgement call.
That's usually obvious.Did he go down intentionally or did he just trip?
-
- All Pro Elite Player
- Posts: 1292
- Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:17 pm
- Location: St. Paul, MN
- x 6
Re: Cardinals @ Vikings Game Day Discussion Thread -- Week 1
Obviously the difference in that play was that Nelson wasn't going to the ground to make the catch. He caught the ball, had both feet down, possession of the ball and then the defender knocked it out of his hands so it should be a td. Now if he had been going to the ground while making the catch, then it's an entirely different story and it would not have been a catch.Mothman wrote: In other words: cheating.
While we're on the subject of those insidious packers: what's up with Jordy Nelson getting awarded a catch on that TD?
I'm convinced NFL officials no longer have any idea what constitutes a catch by rule.
-
- Packers Suck
- Posts: 2992
- Joined: Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:40 pm
Re: Cardinals @ Vikings Game Day Discussion Thread -- Week 1
Its pretty clear he was 'Trying' to pop up in time to still advance the ball, the fact that he failed at doing so hardly constitutes 'Cheating', in fact, it doesnt even help the Packers because it gets blown down.Mothman wrote:
It's as if you don't even comprehend the discussion.
The "cheating" occurred when intentionally going to the ground, waiting, and then trying to advance the ball. That's not taking advantage of a rule. that's breaking one. It's not the same thing.
"Follow my lead today, whos goona be the big dog with me?" - Aaron Rodgers, February 6th, 2011
Re: Cardinals @ Vikings Game Day Discussion Thread -- Week 1
He's not.Jordysghost wrote:Which part of the sentence isnt true? Im curious why you think Rodgers responsible for the Defense.
Re: Cardinals @ Vikings Game Day Discussion Thread -- Week 1
of course you do because you are a packer fan and there is a certain amount of emotionally fixed deniability that comes with being a fan....but to an outsider who can just look at it from an analytical perspective,the past 4 games have been the worst defensive performance since before the lombardi era. the injuries are still piling up.Jordysghost wrote: I hear you, but I think its more then just a statistical possibility at this point, but again, the injuries to the secondary are just getting overwhelming.
if the vikes hadn't pulled Bradford outta their azzes...they'd be in the exact same boat on the other side of the ball.
packers fans believe that with rodgers, they always have a chance. which is true to a point, just not when they have to score 40+ to win.
- Texas Vike
- Hall of Fame Inductee
- Posts: 4672
- Joined: Sat Aug 18, 2012 9:52 am
- x 405
Re: Cardinals @ Vikings Game Day Discussion Thread -- Week 1
Mothman wrote: In other words: cheating.
While we're on the subject of those insidious packers: what's up with Jordy Nelson getting awarded a catch on that TD?
I'm convinced NFL officials no longer have any idea what constitutes a catch by rule.
I agree. Even Jordy knew that it wasn't a TD, you could see by the way he reacted.
Re: Cardinals @ Vikings Game Day Discussion Thread -- Week 1
right? what am i missing here? unless the dive is just to gain a first down or td...dude is downMothman wrote:
-
- All Pro Elite Player
- Posts: 1292
- Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:17 pm
- Location: St. Paul, MN
- x 6
Re: Cardinals @ Vikings Game Day Discussion Thread -- Week 1
Maybe they didn't blow the whistle right away and he thought the play was still live. He wasn't really "cheating", they didn't allow him to advance the ball. Can't blame a guy for trying - can you?Mothman wrote:
It's as if you don't even comprehend the discussion.
The "cheating" occurred when intentionally going to the ground, waiting, and then trying to advance the ball. That's not taking advantage of a rule. that's breaking one. It's not the same thing.
Re: Cardinals @ Vikings Game Day Discussion Thread -- Week 1
i don't think he's cheating really.
but he is setting himself up to being hit. the way bradford got popped by peterson...only harder.
but he is setting himself up to being hit. the way bradford got popped by peterson...only harder.
-
- All Pro Elite Player
- Posts: 1292
- Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:17 pm
- Location: St. Paul, MN
- x 6
Re: Cardinals @ Vikings Game Day Discussion Thread -- Week 1
Key word there is 'usually'. I'm all in favor of removing any judgement calls that they can. Guess I should have said it requires the refs to make 'another' judgement call.Mothman wrote: Yes, which they're required to do constantly, in every game.
That's usually obvious.
Re: Cardinals @ Vikings Game Day Discussion Thread -- Week 1
Fine. He was trying to "gently bend the rules" to gain an advantage...Purple Reign wrote:Maybe they didn't blow the whistle right away and he thought the play was still live. He wasn't really "cheating", they didn't allow him to advance the ball. Can't blame a guy for trying - can you?
... or whatever else will end this discussion.
-
- All Pro Elite Player
- Posts: 1292
- Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:17 pm
- Location: St. Paul, MN
- x 6
Re: Cardinals @ Vikings Game Day Discussion Thread -- Week 1
Not according to the rule book - that is just your personal opinion.Nunin wrote:right? what am i missing here? unless the dive is just to gain a first down or td...dude is down
Re: Cardinals @ Vikings Game Day Discussion Thread -- Week 1
the rule speaks directly to intent. there is no other way to interpet it. so, when a qb dives to the ground before taking a hit so that he doesn't have to take a hit his intent is to be down without contact....giving himself up.Purple Reign wrote: Not according to the rule book - that is just your personal opinion.
-
the only reason the head first vs feet first rule is there is because RBs and WRs will sometimes dive to gain yards...NOT to surrender. so they need to be downed by contact.
the feet first rule was put in to protect QBs from getting hurt as well as where to mark the ball when sliding on a wet field....but a qb sliding vs a qb diving is the same exact thing in terms of what the QB's intent is.....'i surrender'
To try to say it's within the spirit of the rule to deek the defenders the way it's being suggested is unfair and unsportsmanlike.
if it ever happens it will happen one time...and following that every QB who dives will experience contact.
-
you can have the last word