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In a memo obtained by NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport, Birch outlined a plan to interview Green Bay Packers linebackers Julius Peppers and Clay Matthews and Pittsburgh Steelers linebacker James Harrison on the first day of their respective training camps. The interview for former Packers linebacker Mike Neal, currently a free agent, is scheduled to take place on or before July 22.

The NFL is conducting the investigation, Birch emphasized, because the Al-Jazeera America documentary "raised serious issues concerning their possible violation of the NFL/NFLPA Policy on Performance-Enhancing Substances."



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Clay Matthews and Julius Peppers wow .. their defense would be horrible for four games...

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J Pep is really just a pass rush specialist these days, not really a huge part of the D.

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J Pep is really just a pass rush specialist these days, not really a huge part of the D.


Yeah pass rush isn't important :rofl: :rofl: .. ask Cam Newton about that and Tom Brady in the two superbowl's
he lost to the Giants...

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J Pep is really just a pass rush specialist these days, not really a huge part of the D.


Yeah pass rush isn't important :rofl: :rofl: .. ask Cam Newton about that and Tom Brady in the two superbowl's
he lost to the Giants...

That's not quite what he meant...

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Peppers is already a documented Steroid user and there is more smoke around Clay Matthews than a CA wildfire. There is no revelation here except that the NFL is investigating what we all already know to be true.


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Peppers is already a documented Steroid user and there is more smoke around Clay Matthews than a CA wildfire. There is no revelation here except that the NFL is investigating what we all already know to be true.


Clay has always been a popular target for steroid allegations, but he has already been very adamant and vocal about increasing performnace enhancer testing, they arent going to find #### on him, guarantee it.

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Clay has always been a popular target for steroid allegations, but he has already been very adamant and vocal about increasing performnace enhancer testing, they arent going to find #### on him, guarantee it.

8 months later? I'd hope not or he's really an idiot.


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Clay has always been a popular target for steroid allegations, but he has already been very adamant and vocal about increasing performnace enhancer testing, they arent going to find #### on him, guarantee it.

8 months later? I'd hope not or he's really an idiot.


As I said, Clay has always been adamant about increasing testing for that sort of thing, they can randomly test him twice a year for the rest of his career, they arent finna find nothing but a whole lot of talk, just like this article.

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Clay has always been a popular target for steroid allegations, but he has already been very adamant and vocal about increasing performnace enhancer testing, they arent going to find #### on him, guarantee it.

8 months later? I'd hope not or he's really an idiot.


As I said, Clay has always been adamant about increasing testing for that sort of thing, they can randomly test him twice a year for the rest of his career, they arent finna find nothing but a whole lot of talk, just like this article.


Jordy, humor me and suppose they did take him up on that offer and found that he was indeed using steroids. How would it change your opinion of Clay Matthews?


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Clay has always been a popular target for steroid allegations, but he has already been very adamant and vocal about increasing performnace enhancer testing, they arent going to find #### on him, guarantee it.

8 months later? I'd hope not or he's really an idiot.


As I said, Clay has always been adamant about increasing testing for that sort of thing, they can randomly test him twice a year for the rest of his career, they arent finna find nothing but a whole lot of talk, just like this article.

Lance Armstrong was always saying the same thing... Just sayin'. I think you're fooling yourself if you don't think there are steroids in the NFL. Sometimes the ones who are the most adamant are the ones using. Not saying that's true for Clay, because obviously I don't know for sure. But if I was a betting man, I know which way I'd go with that one.


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Lance Armstrong was always saying the same thing... Just sayin'. I think you're fooling yourself if you don't think there are steroids in the NFL. Sometimes the ones who are the most adamant are the ones using. Not saying that's true for Clay, because obviously I don't know for sure. But if I was a betting man, I know which way I'd go with that one.


I would guess about half of all players are taking something or skimming the edge of some experimental drug.. You have guys that are 300 pounds running
like deer and jump like Air Jordan.. I mean come on that kinda talent is like one or two in a generation of people. Matthews looks like he is on roids ....

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Lance Armstrong was always saying the same thing... Just sayin'. I think you're fooling yourself if you don't think there are steroids in the NFL. Sometimes the ones who are the most adamant are the ones using. Not saying that's true for Clay, because obviously I don't know for sure. But if I was a betting man, I know which way I'd go with that one.


I would guess about half of all players are taking something or skimming the edge of some experimental drug.. You have guys that are 300 pounds running
like deer and jump like Air Jordan.. I mean come on that kinda talent is like one or two in a generation of people. Matthews looks like he is on roids ....


He went into an episode of roid rage last year against Mike Harris, punching him in the helmet while he was on the ground. He got flagged for it, but mysteriously was not ejected.


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Lance Armstrong was always saying the same thing... Just sayin'. I think you're fooling yourself if you don't think there are steroids in the NFL. Sometimes the ones who are the most adamant are the ones using. Not saying that's true for Clay, because obviously I don't know for sure. But if I was a betting man, I know which way I'd go with that one.


I would guess about half of all players are taking something or skimming the edge of some experimental drug.. You have guys that are 300 pounds running
like deer and jump like Air Jordan.. I mean come on that kinda talent is like one or two in a generation of people. Matthews looks like he is on roids ....


He went into an episode of roid rage last year against Mike Harris, punching him in the helmet while he was on the ground. He got flagged for it, but mysteriously was not ejected.


How can you have roid rage if you arent on roids? :) Baseless accusations get us nowhere.

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http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/james-harrison-clay-matthews-if-they-are-not-interviewed-081516


If the four or five players refuse interview, suspensions likely


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Nevertheless, since the initiation of our investigation in January the league has made at least seven attempts to arrange interviews of Messrs. Harrison, Matthews, Neal and Peppers. On each occasion, the NFLPA has communicated the players' refusal to participate. Most recently, the NFLPA has attempted to prevent the interviews by submitting for each player a half-page statement, which you advised should be treated as a sworn statement given in a legal proceeding, and which you contend should fulfill the players' acknowledged obligation to cooperate with the investigation. The statements, however, are wholly devoid of any detail, and we were quickly able to determine that Mr. Neal's statement includes an assertion that is demonstrably false. Rather than eliminate the need for interviews, the players' plainly deficient statements simply underscore the importance of obtaining their full cooperation.



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They'll probably just do like they did with Peyton and clear them after they interview them. It's all about publicity.

I honestly think they want their players using HGH and other performance enhancers. Football is a physically demanding sports and it keeps their stars playing through the nagging injuries and enhances the level of play. Not only does it benefit the players financially to use PEDs but the league also benefits as well.


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They'll probably just do like they did with Peyton and clear them after they interview them. It's all about publicity.

I honestly think they want their players using HGH and other performance enhancers. Football is a physically demanding sports and it keeps their stars playing through the nagging injuries and enhances the level of play. Not only does it benefit the players financially to use PEDs but the league also benefits as well.


For Godell and the owners, its about money... pure and simple...These are billionare owners, who can never have enough money. I don't
think they probably care deep down. Its really on the players to control what they use. If they want to be the best chances are they will
have to push the limit, maybe more. There might be a few one in a million guys; that can play clean, and be the best, but I would say
that is the exception, to the rule.

Personally I would use them to make 40 million or more in a career. If you did simple safe investments and didn't spend much
for 5-10 years you could live a very easy life for generations of your family.

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This article has already been recanted by the writer, and still the players are expected to comply with the investigation because of it? That sets a dangerous precedent in the NFLPA's eyes.

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This article has already been recanted by the writer, and still the players are expected to comply with the investigation because of it? That sets a dangerous precedent in the NFLPA's eyes.


Are you sure it was recanted by the writer? What I'm finding is that it was recanted by the guy who claimed to give the players the drugs. However, he was recorded without his knowledge so he never intended it to be "on the record" in the first place. Can you really "recant" something only after you realize a bunch of people heard it?

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This article has already been recanted by the writer, and still the players are expected to comply with the investigation because of it? That sets a dangerous precedent in the NFLPA's eyes.


Are you sure it was recanted by the writer? What I'm finding is that it was recanted by the guy who claimed to give the players the drugs. However, he was recorded without his knowledge so he never intended it to be "on the record" in the first place. Can you really "recant" something only after you realize a bunch of people heard it?


he source behind the allegations (Charlie Sly) has retracted his statement.

"In the documentary, Sly also mentioned Philadelphia Phillies first baseman Ryan Howard, Washington Nationals infielder Ryan Zimmerman and boxer Mike Tyson as athletes who received HGH shipments from him while he worked at the Guyer Institute.

Sly said he was "testing" Al Jazeera's undercover reporter by dropping "names like Peyton Manning, Derek Jeter, Ryan Howard and James Harrison." He said none were clients. While Manning, Howard and Harrison were mentioned in Al Jazeera's HGH investigation, Jeter was not.

"When I realized Al Jazeera was using a secret taping and Collins as a so-called investigative reporter, I was baffled," Sly said. "I cannot believe that can happen. That's why I recanted the story. It wasn't true, and I was trying to pull one over on Collins to see if he had any idea of what he was talking about."

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...k ... s-use-peds

I guess that may be true to an extent, but I think it makes this situation infinitely sillier.

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This article has already been recanted by the writer, and still the players are expected to comply with the investigation because of it? That sets a dangerous precedent in the NFLPA's eyes.


Are you sure it was recanted by the writer? What I'm finding is that it was recanted by the guy who claimed to give the players the drugs. However, he was recorded without his knowledge so he never intended it to be "on the record" in the first place. Can you really "recant" something only after you realize a bunch of people heard it?


he source behind the allegations (Charlie Sly) has retracted his statement.

"In the documentary, Sly also mentioned Philadelphia Phillies first baseman Ryan Howard, Washington Nationals infielder Ryan Zimmerman and boxer Mike Tyson as athletes who received HGH shipments from him while he worked at the Guyer Institute.

Sly said he was "testing" Al Jazeera's undercover reporter by dropping "names like Peyton Manning, Derek Jeter, Ryan Howard and James Harrison." He said none were clients. While Manning, Howard and Harrison were mentioned in Al Jazeera's HGH investigation, Jeter was not.

"When I realized Al Jazeera was using a secret taping and Collins as a so-called investigative reporter, I was baffled," Sly said. "I cannot believe that can happen. That's why I recanted the story. It wasn't true, and I was trying to pull one over on Collins to see if he had any idea of what he was talking about."

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...k ... s-use-peds

I guess that may be true to an extent, but I think it makes this situation infinitely sillier.


So which time am I supposed to believe he's lying again? The time he thought he was saying something in confidence or this public statement? I know which one I'm more inclined to believe.

I don't know the entire situation ... but I find it extremely unlikely that he was "testing" Al Jazeera ...

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It came from his mouth my dude you can believe whatever you want.

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It came from his mouth my dude you can believe whatever you want.


That's my point ... both things came from his mouth.

One thing came out of his mouth when he didn't think anybody was listening. The other thing came out of his mouth when he knew everybody was listening. If the players aren't going to submit to testing then I suppose we both can just believe what we want.

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It came from his mouth my dude you can believe whatever you want.


That's my point ... both things came from his mouth.

One thing came out of his mouth when he didn't think anybody was listening. The other thing came out of his mouth when he knew everybody was listening. If the players aren't going to submit to testing then I suppose we both can just believe what we want.


I dont see what benefit would it be of his to lie and recant his statement about players on steroids knowing fullwell they are already under investigation, I think that would not be in his best interest.

Furthermore, Peyton Manning was also mentioned to no avail.

The NFLPA does not want their players submitting to investigation on the basis of a recanted and self disgraced article.

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I dont see what benefit would it be of his to lie and recant his statement about players on steroids knowing fullwell they are already under investigation, I think that would not be in his best interest.

Furthermore, Peyton Manning was also mentioned to no avail.

The NFLPA does not want their players submitting to investigation on the basis of a recanted and self disgraced article.


What benefit was it of his to lie in the first place?

The benefit at this point seems pretty obvious as far as recanting. No athlete is going to touch this guy with a 10 foot pole now and he's a supplement salesman ...

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It'd be like if your wife or girlfriend overheard a phone call wherein you were having an affair. Go ahead, recant that. "I was just testing to see if you were spying on me!"

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I dont see what benefit would it be of his to lie and recant his statement about players on steroids knowing fullwell they are already under investigation, I think that would not be in his best interest.

Furthermore, Peyton Manning was also mentioned to no avail.

The NFLPA does not want their players submitting to investigation on the basis of a recanted and self disgraced article.


What benefit was it of his to lie in the first place?

The benefit at this point seems pretty obvious as far as recanting. No athlete is going to touch this guy with a 10 foot pole now and he's a supplement salesman ...


But then why was Manning interviewed and cleared? The fallout from blatantly lying in defense of roiding players under investigation seems to carry even heavier implications.

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I dont see what benefit would it be of his to lie and recant his statement about players on steroids knowing fullwell they are already under investigation, I think that would not be in his best interest.

Furthermore, Peyton Manning was also mentioned to no avail.

The NFLPA does not want their players submitting to investigation on the basis of a recanted and self disgraced article.


What benefit was it of his to lie in the first place?

The benefit at this point seems pretty obvious as far as recanting. No athlete is going to touch this guy with a 10 foot pole now and he's a supplement salesman ...


But then why was Manning interviewed and cleared? The fallout from blatantly lying in defense of roiding players under investigation seems to carry even heavier implications.

So what you're saying is Manning got cleared after he was interviewed? If only there was a way for the other players to do the same ...

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What benefit was it of his to lie in the first place?

The benefit at this point seems pretty obvious as far as recanting. No athlete is going to touch this guy with a 10 foot pole now and he's a supplement salesman ...


But then why was Manning interviewed and cleared? The fallout from blatantly lying in defense of roiding players under investigation seems to carry even heavier implications.

So what you're saying is Manning got cleared after he was interviewed? If only there was a way for the other players to do the same ...

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The NFLPA does not want their players to submit to what the NFLPA believes to be an unfair, and unfounded investigation based upon recanted and self disgraced comments, as stated before, that sets a dangerous precedent. Manning was not a member of the NFLPA and was acting independently.

If prior mentioned recanted and self disgraced comments were solid, why was Peyton Manning cleared?

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If it's unfair then how did Manning clear it? There was a legitimate cause for concern and the NFL wanted to investigate it. Manning had nothing to hide and complied.

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If it's unfair then how did Manning clear it? There was a legitimate cause for concern and the NFL wanted to investigate it. Manning had nothing to hide and complied.

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Again, the NFLPA does not want its players setting the precedent of being obliged to comply with an investigation based upon self disgraced, recanted comments (That, in their eyes, is the unfair part of this), Peyton Manning was not a part of, nor subject to any NFLPA influence,. Clay and J Pep are both members.

Manning passing with ease only further strengthened the idea that basing an investigation upon self disgraced comments is unfounded and unnecessary, you seem to not understand that the NFLPA sees more at stake here then the status of two players.

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