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Re: 2016 draft: Receivers

Post by VikingLord » Wed Jan 20, 2016 2:37 pm

Texas Vike wrote: Well, I hope he DOES slide to the 3rd. I'd love to pick him up that late. He is the kind of WR we need.
I don't see Doctson making it anywhere near the 3rd come draft day. He seems like the kind of guy who is going to really impress during the evaluation process, and his tape doesn't lie. He has outstanding leaping ability and body control. He won't need to beat defenders outright down the field with that skill set. He just needs to get off clean at the line, get the defender turned and running with him, and then work his magic. He's going to work his way up draft boards and I wouldn't be surprised if he goes in the top 15 come draft day.

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Re: 2016 draft: Receivers

Post by dead_poet » Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:05 pm

Some draftnicks absolutely love Sterling Shepard. One example/report below of why I need to study him some more.
Sterling Shepard, oh let me count the ways he impresses. Back in November when charting these players, I had no idea who he was before rolling the tape and pulling out the Reception Perception sheets. He made me take notice immediately, and earned the title of “my favorite” wide receiver in this class. Shepard is bar-none the best route runner coming out of college this year, already showing great ability to execute even the most in-depth and nuanced aspects of route assignments like an NFL veteran.

Revisionist history holds Odell Beckham in, deserved, elite company because of his eye-popping plays and athletic movements. However, what made him such an easy sell right off the bat to NFL scouting departments was his refinement as a collegiate. Carolina Panthers GM Dave Gettleman spoke on him after the draft and called him easily the best route runner among his peer’s in the 2014 class. I’ll never be so flippant to put a prospect in the special air that Beckham holds, but Shepard has that same easy to bite on refinement.

Shepard’s SRVC against man is a whopping 7.8 percentage points better than the next highest in this group. An 82.8 percent score normalizing at that high of a rate over a full sample is a feat to take notice of. He tops it only by a 91.1 percent SRVC score against press, also 7.8 percentage points higher than the next closest mark. There are holes to pick in Shepard’s game, and we’ll touch on those in the future, but his elite strengths in the route-running department make him tough to keep away from the second spot after Treadwell.
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Re: 2016 draft: Receivers

Post by Texas Vike » Wed Jan 20, 2016 8:02 pm

VikingLord wrote: I don't see Doctson making it anywhere near the 3rd come draft day. He seems like the kind of guy who is going to really impress during the evaluation process, and his tape doesn't lie. He has outstanding leaping ability and body control. He won't need to beat defenders outright down the field with that skill set. He just needs to get off clean at the line, get the defender turned and running with him, and then work his magic. He's going to work his way up draft boards and I wouldn't be surprised if he goes in the top 15 come draft day.

You're preaching to the choir! I watched all of his games during his career at TCU. In fact, I've tooted his horn so often around here, it's become a bit of a joke.

You quoted my post from a while ago, when he was projected as a 2nd or possibly 3rd rounder. Draft "experts" discovered him since then, and his projections have climbed. I don't think he'll go top 15 as you believe he will (due to lack of top end speed), but I do think he'll go in the 1st. He'd be a great fit for our needs IMO.

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Re: 2016 draft: Receivers

Post by Banquo » Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:11 am

Doctson is almost certainly a 1st rounder, but the combine will be especially important for him. If he comes in small and runs slow, it could hurt him. Regardless, he's a really good fit for the Vikes.

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Re: 2016 draft: Receivers

Post by dead_poet » Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:30 pm

Josh Doctson - WR - Horned Frogs

Texas Christian WR Josh Doctson (wrist) is no longer listed on the Senior Bowl roster.
Though no public information has been offered about the situation, we assume Doctson pulled out due to injury. The 6-foot-4, 190-pounder broke his left wrist against Oklahoma State on November 7 and has been rehabbing since. Rotoworld's Josh Norris ranks Doctson as the No. 25 overall draft prospect.
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2016 draft: Receivers

Post by dead_poet » Sat Jan 23, 2016 10:24 am

Interesting later-round prospect. Film room/analysis of the "other" Michael Thomas
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Re: 2016 draft: Receivers

Post by dead_poet » Wed Jan 27, 2016 7:24 pm

#Vikings met with Oklahoma WR Sterling Shepard on Tuesday at Senior Bowl. On the smaller side (5-10, 191), but has made some plays.
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Re: 2016 draft: Receivers

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Wide receiver class of 2016 offers big targets for Vikings
Oklahoma's Sterling Shepard, who met with the Vikings on Tuesday night, has been one of the better receivers in Mobile this week, showcasing an ability to cut near full speed and get away from defenders. He's been primarily a slot receiver, and could be an electrifying one in the NFL, but his challenge will be to convince teams he can do more than that at 5-foot-10.

A Vikings coach recently described the ideal mix of wide receivers like a basketball team: a smaller wideout who can use his agility like a point guard, two players with a mix of speed and strength like a shooting guard or small forward, a bigger target who can use his size on defenders like a power forward, and a tight end who can control the red zone and the middle of the field like a center. The Vikings still need to get their power forward from somewhere; Charles Johnson could be a factor again after a nagging rib injury made him the odd man out in 2015. But if the Vikings decide to add a bigger receiver in this year's draft, they'll have some options to consider.

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Post by PurpleMustReign » Fri Jan 29, 2016 12:21 pm

Shepard is good but he reminds me of Jarius Wright... I wouldn't complain if we draftrd him, because he is an awesome receiver and has an ability to get open, but i still don't think we need WR help before ound 4 in the draft.

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Re: 2016 draft: Receivers

Post by dead_poet » Mon Feb 08, 2016 9:27 am

Measured (but still good) take on Doctson:

Scouting Report: Josh Doctson has Value to the Vikings, But Not In the First Round:

http://www.dailynorseman.com/2016/2/8/1 ... ce=twitter
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Re: 2016 draft: Receivers

Post by HardcoreVikesFan » Mon Feb 08, 2016 12:44 pm

As long as we don't take Michael Thomas, I am cool with whoever the team takes.
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Re: 2016 draft: Receivers

Post by dead_poet » Mon Feb 08, 2016 12:47 pm

HardcoreVikesFan wrote:As long as we don't take Michael Thomas, I am cool with whoever the team takes.
What don't you like about Thomas?
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Re: 2016 draft: Receivers

Post by HardcoreVikesFan » Mon Feb 08, 2016 12:58 pm

dead_poet wrote: What don't you like about Thomas?
No disrespect to the guy personally, but I don't view him as a legitimate NFL receiver.

His best three games came against vastly inferior secondaries. When he had to play against legitimate secondaries (Minnesota (who has two great corners who should get drafted in at least round 3) Michigan, and Michigan St.) he was pretty pedistrain. Throw in the fact that he was the 'deep ball threat,' and his play really doesn't inspire confidence that he can consistently run an NFL route tree.

The guy is fast, but I don't know if that speed will translate well into the NFL. Moreover, the guy is not overly agile (then again, at 6-3 (if he truly is), it is hard to be the most agile player).

He reminds me of a poor man's Devin Smith, except that Devin Smith actually dominated superior competition.
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Re: 2016 draft: Receivers

Post by dead_poet » Tue Feb 09, 2016 10:35 am

Ledyard's Top-10 receivers: http://thedraftwire.usatoday.com/2016/0 ... -rankings/

What he says about Thomas (#2 on his list):
Michael ThomasAt the end of the day, I just don’t think there is a whole lot that Michael Thomas doesn’t do well as a wide receiver. He’s a natural hands catcher, flashing his mitts outside the frame to make smooth adjustments despite contact. Thomas isn’t the most explosive route runner, but he is savvy in his footwork to separate from man coverage and has enough deep speed to stretch opponents vertically. I think his trajectory will be Michael Floyd-like at the next level.
He ranks them:

Treadwell
Thomas
Shepard
Boyd
Doctson
Thomas (the "other one")
Coleman
Carroo
Miller
Fuller
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Re: 2016 draft: Receivers

Post by Texas Vike » Wed Feb 10, 2016 1:49 pm

dead_poet wrote:Measured (but still good) take on Doctson:

Scouting Report: Josh Doctson has Value to the Vikings, But Not In the First Round:

http://www.dailynorseman.com/2016/2/8/1 ... ce=twitter

Thanks for posting that. Really thorough, but not without problems. The author is WAY too dismissive of the competition Doctson has faced. 4 of the top 20 CBs projected for this upcoming draft are from the Big 12, and Doctson has played well against them over the past two years. He also handled the Gophers' CBs just fine (though not spanking them like he did Texas Techs', but who goes for 267 Yds and 3 TDs EVERY week?).

Another issue I had was the bombastic and self contradicting language used in this piece. The author needs to tone it down a bit.

Overall, I mostly agree with the gist of his take. Doctson in the 2nd would be a great fit for the Vikes and Doctson's lack of physicality may be an issue at the next level.

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Re: 2016 draft: Receivers

Post by dead_poet » Mon Feb 15, 2016 5:21 pm

Texas Vike wrote: The author is WAY too dismissive of the competition Doctson has faced. 4 of the top 20 CBs projected for this upcoming draft are from the Big 12, and Doctson has played well against them over the past two years.
Not to nitpick but 4 of the top 20 CBs for this draft may not be all that impressive. I mean, would even the 10th best corner be going in the third round?
Doctson in the 2nd would be a great fit for the Vikes
I'd be OK with that.
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2016 draft: Receivers

Post by dead_poet » Mon Feb 15, 2016 9:20 pm

Josh Doctson - WR - Horned Frogs

NFL.com's Matt Harmon does not disagree with RotoViz Radio host Matt Freedman's comparison between Texas Christian WR Josh Doctson and DeAndre Hopkins.

"I’m trying to avoid player comps this year, but that one stuck with me. Much like Hopkins, Doctson doesn't have one overwhelming physical trait, but just does everything well," he wrote. The 6-foot-4, 190-pound Doctson doesn't get the credit he deserves as a prospect because he's expected to run in the 4.5s. We're with Harmon, though: Doctson can ball, a jump ball savant who can separate despite his perceived lack of wheels. "Not many collegiate receivers track the ball and contort in perfect fashion to play the pass in the air like Doctson," Harmon wrote. "However, don’t get fooled into thinking that is all he is. Doctson creates separation off press coverage. His 83.3 percent SRVC against press shows the refinement of his release moves." Not only that, but Doctson's SRVC against zone coverage is the best Harmon has charted in this class. NFL Media draft analyst Mike Mayock recently compared Doctson to a slower Justin Hunter.
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Re: 2016 draft: Receivers

Post by dead_poet » Mon Feb 15, 2016 9:25 pm

Sterling Shepard - WR - Sooners

NFL.com's Matt Harmon says Oklahoma WR Sterling Shepard is "bar none" the best route runner in this year's class.

That's not all. The analyst calls Shepard his "favorite" wideout in the draft. Shepard, he wrote, displays "great ability to execute even the most in-depth and nuanced aspects of route assignments like an NFL veteran." The 5-foot-10, 195-pound Shepard, who threw down 233 receptions and 14.9 yards per catch over his collegiate career, has drawn comparisons to Randall Cobb, Tyler Lockett and Antonio Brown. Because of his tremendous quickness and route execution, Harmon says Shepard is difficult to contain man-to-man.
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Re: 2016 draft: Receivers

Post by Texas Vike » Tue Feb 16, 2016 7:07 pm

dead_poet wrote: Not to nitpick but 4 of the top 20 CBs for this draft may not be all that impressive. I mean, would even the 10th best corner be going in the third round?
I'd be OK with that.

I smelled some home conference bias in there, that was my point. Just because the Gophers have two somewhat decent CBs does not mean that the Big 10 is any better at defending the pass than the Big 12.

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Re: 2016 draft: Receivers

Post by dead_poet » Wed Feb 17, 2016 9:35 am

Scouting Report: Michael Thomas and the False Dichotomy of Upside vs. Readiness

http://www.dailynorseman.com/2016/2/16/ ... -upside-vs
At the end of the day, it's safe to say Thomas gets open. Sometimes it's his quickness, technique, style or other deceptive capability but he gets open. And sometimes he's obscenely open, and not because the player's he's playing against are bad. At least once a game, the ball is thrown to him while the opposing defensive back is facing the wrong direction. He does so with precision and sharpness in his routes, running them at textbook depth and correct angles. After watching Doctson and Coleman lose the advantages they create with their athleticism, release or intuition by rounding out routes or signaling them with the subtlety of an elephant, Thomas' route-running is a refreshing and fascinating change. By preventing defensive backs from reading his routes and by taking angles instead of shortcuts, he preserves any advantages he creates in the first three steps of the route.
I like Michael Thomas a lot, and though I think the 23rd overall pick might be a little pricy for him, I wouldn't be upset if the Vikings traded into the bottom of the first round for him. He may not represent the prototype (despite his 6'1", 210-lb frame) but he gets open, gets catches and gets touchdowns.
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Re: 2016 draft: Receivers

Post by dead_poet » Wed Feb 17, 2016 9:16 pm

MONSON: WHY LAQUON TREADWELL IS NOT A TOP WR PROSPECT
His issue though is that he won’t separate regularly, and doesn’t actually take advantage of his ability to win contested catches as much as he should do. Treadwell reminds some of Dez Bryant or Michael Irvin, but to me he looks far more like Kenny Britt. Britt has had success at times in the NFL and was a first-round pick himself, so that’s not necessarily a disaster. He was taken with the 30th selection of the draft, in part because of exactly the same concerns over being able to separate. In my opinion, Treadwell is far closer to that area of the draft than a top-five pick.
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dead_poet wrote:MONSON: WHY LAQUON TREADWELL IS NOT A TOP WR PROSPECT
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I watched a little bit on him and I'd tend to agree. He didn't blow me away. I haven't seen enough to have confidence in my first reaction, but I'm not that impressed yet.

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Re: 2016 draft: Receivers

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New- Why Tyler Boyd Will Be a Project at WR in the NFL

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Re: 2016 draft: Receivers

Post by VikingLord » Thu Feb 25, 2016 2:34 pm

For me, Sheppard is the guy you draft who has the potential to be a 10 year starter at his position. That doesn't mean he'll be a star per se, but he is a guy who is going to make the team better and add stability. Is he going to be better than Jarius Wright in the slot? That's harder to say, but given what I know about him and what I've seen of him I'd say he'd be a great pickup circa the 3rd round if Spielman can manage it.

That said, he doesn't really solve the immediate need of a true #1 WR for the Vikings, and honestly, I'm not sure there is a guy in this draft who will solve that need. Doctson can go over the top and make plays, but he's not really a dominant prospect in terms of size or speed. Thomas strikes me as a guy who could develop, but is far from a sure bet and doesn't really flash anything I would say warrants the #23 slot. Ditto for Treadwell. I'm just not sold on WR at #23 in this draft. I think there will be better 10-year starter prospects at other positions when that pick comes around (several on defense), and I hope Spielman doesn't force a pick here. If he really loves a WR in this draft, he'd be better off staying pat at #23 and taking the BPA there, then maybe trying to move up into the top of the 2nd to get his WR IMHO.

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Post by dead_poet » Sat Feb 27, 2016 2:01 pm

Gap between Treadwell and Doctson narrowing significantly.
Over the last 17 draft classes, there have been only 13 wide receivers to match the speed, vertical, broad, and height of Josh Doctson.

That group includes Calvin, Allen, and Andre Johnson. (as well as Greg Little and Justin Hunter, but Doctson is good at football)
Top WR vertical jumps:

GOLD (tied): Josh Doctson, Sterling Shepard, 41.0
SILVER: Corey Coleman, 40.5
BRONZE: Trevor Davis 38.5
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Post by dead_poet » Sat Feb 27, 2016 2:02 pm

TCU WR Josh Doctson's killed it with the jump drills. 10'11" broad, 41" vertical. #MedalsCount
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Post by dead_poet » Sat Feb 27, 2016 2:04 pm

4.50 / 4.49 for Sterling Shepard. That's actually a little better than I expected
Only 20, too. 2nd youngest WR at Combine RT @NathanZegura: Treadwell's hands are SICK. Just plucks the ball out of the air with 1 hand or 2
Michael Thomas 2nd unofficial forty: 4.57. 10 yd of 1.56
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Re: 2016 draft: Receivers

Post by dead_poet » Wed Mar 09, 2016 9:41 pm

Later round WR target?

Malcolm Mitchell deserves more attention in fantasy
Malcolm Mitchell is one of my personal favorite sleepers in this draft class and makes me be honest with my process
@MattWaldman Strong routes. Fights for ball well. Tough.
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Strengths

» Smooth acceleration with little trouble changing speeds
» Shows the flashes of strong, nuanced route-running skills
» Can go up and high point the ball in traffic
» Strong separation at the break points in routes


The athleticism that once made Malcolm Mitchell such a desirable product out of high school is still present despite the injury history. Mitchell glides when he runs, and can change gears with the ball in his hands and as a route runner. He backed up his film with a strong combine performance, including a 4.45 40-yard dash and a really strong 129-inch broad jump. At times you see Mitchell flash some polished route running, particularly with the use of deception and fluid ability to drop his hips.

Mitchell also showed up at the combine with 10-1/2-inch hands, good for the 97th percentile among participants since 1999, and it's another attribute that shows up on film. He has strong hands running routes over the middle, even when the defender bears down for a hit. Plenty of times in 2015, Mitchell made the play the offense needed in contested situations. He mixes strong ball-tracking ability and timing to make up for a lack of height and leaping ability.
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Re: 2016 draft: Receivers

Post by PurpleKoolaid » Sat Mar 12, 2016 12:24 pm

Treadwell, Docston and Coleman will be gone, if not, I bet we snatch on of them. It sure would be nice to get Thomas later in the draft with some work by Rick.

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Re: 2016 draft: Receivers

Post by HardcoreVikesFan » Thu Mar 17, 2016 8:10 am

I am an ESPN Insider. They recently just published an article about the receivers in the draft class. While I cannot publish the entire article, I can give you guys two interesting snippets. Before I do, I want to personally state that I believe that Corey Coleman is the best wide receiver in the draft. Better than Treadwell. Better than Doctson. Better than Fuller. This article backs my bias lol.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft201 ... -nfl-draft
1. Corey Coleman, Baylor: 709 yards/season

Scouts Inc.: No. 43 overall
Similar historical prospects: DeAndre Hopkins, Steve Smith

Coleman has a monster projection. As a junior, Coleman gained 1,363 receiving yards and caught an eye-popping 20 receiving touchdowns. Because Baylor passed the ball only 389 times in 2016, Coleman scored a touchdown on 5.1 percent of Baylor's passes. That's an incredible ratio, which has been topped by only four elite players: Randy Moss, Demaryius Thomas, Dez Bryant, and Larry Fitzgerald. Coleman also tested out well physically, posting a position-best 40.5-inch vertical jump at the NFL combine.

Notwithstanding these numbers, there are certainly legitimate concerns regarding Coleman's ability to transition to the NFL level. Baylor coach Art Briles' innovative offense may have inflated the WR's stats, and Coleman did not run a full route tree at Baylor. Nevertheless, Coleman's upside and potential are well worth the price of a first-round selection.

Doctson (someone I really do not want in the first round):
4. Josh Doctson, TCU: 474 yards/season

Scouts Inc.: No. 20 overall
Similar historical prospects: Mark Clayton, Michael Jenkins

Doctson's numbers are similar to Fuller's, but there is one important difference: Fuller posted his numbers as a junior and enters the draft as an underclassman, while Doctson enters the draft as a senior. Senior wide receivers fail at a much greater rate than their junior counterparts. The four least productive wide receivers drafted in the first round from 1996 to 2013 were all seniors (A.J. Jenkins, Rashaun Woods, R. Jay Soward and Marcus Nash), even though most of the first-round picks in this time period were underclassmen.
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