If we improve the freaking OL...

[mosscarter]

one of those td's was from peterson come on, are you serious? he has more td's rushing than our qb does throwing. for what other team would that be the case? we have a serious qb problem. peterson has been the best player in the nfl (not just the best this year). when he had a real qb playing with him he had 400 yds receiving out of the back field.

[sneaxsneax]

one of those td's was from peterson come on, are you serious? he has more td's rushing than our qb does throwing. for what other team would that be the case? we have a serious qb problem. peterson has been the best player in the nfl (not just the best this year). when he had a real qb playing with him he had 400 yds receiving out of the back field.

You are exhausting. On one hand you say we have not only the best running back in the league, but a running back that is the "best player" in the league. On the other you cry about teddy not throwing a lot of TDs, well maybe it has something to do with us running the ball in for touchdowns. Nothing I want to type is board appropriate because the level of ridiculousness of the comments you've been posting over the last day and change are over 9000, so I'll just stop there.

[HardcoreVikesFan]

one of those td's was from peterson come on, are you serious? he has more td's rushing than our qb does throwing. for what other team would that be the case? we have a serious qb problem. peterson has been the best player in the nfl (not just the best this year). when he had a real qb playing with him he had 400 yds receiving out of the back field.

You just never quit do you?

Suppose Indianapolis should just give up on Andrew Luck while they are at it too huh? He obviously sucks.

I bet you were one of those that thought RGIII and Colin Kaepernick would dominate the NFL to come for over a decade too.

Point is, the guy has 26 NFL starts and is only 23 years old. To decry him as a bust is not only premature, it is asinine.

[mosscarter]

i didn't think rg3 or kaepernick would workout long term. but, rg3 will get another shot. just a fun fact in his first game he threw for 4 td's and had i believe 24 td's his first full season as a rookie. bridgewater doesn't have a single game with 3. i don't think bridgewater will work out long term either. if you disagree with me i couldn't care less. he is not improving. over the course of the past two seasons he has a good game like he did the other night, but there hasn't been any consistency. his passing numbers this year are laughable. i'd like to see him get it turned around i'm just not seeing any signs.

[HardcoreVikesFan]

i didn't think rg3 or kaepernick would workout long term. but, rg3 will get another shot. just a fun fact in his first game he threw for 4 td's and had i believe 24 td's his first full season as a rookie. bridgewater doesn't have a single game with 3. i don't think bridgewater will work out long term either. if you disagree with me i couldn't care less. he is not improving. over the course of the past two seasons he has a good game like he did the other night, but there hasn't been any consistency. his passing numbers this year are laughable. i'd like to see him get it turned around i'm just not seeing any signs.

And most people couldn't care less about your opinion - belittling Teddy Bridgewater at every opportunity you have. We get it. You think he sucks.

[jackal]

anybody that is blaming Teddy and not the OL ? I think you need to try and play QB for
a while; and have four 275 to 325 lbs guys run at you unblocked, because the OL wiffed
on their blocks and see how many great plays you make..

[Raptorman]

i didn't think rg3 or kaepernick would workout long term. but, rg3 will get another shot. just a fun fact in his first game he threw for 4 td's and had i believe 24 td's his first full season as a rookie. bridgewater doesn't have a single game with 3. i don't think bridgewater will work out long term either. if you disagree with me i couldn't care less. he is not improving. over the course of the past two seasons he has a good game like he did the other night, but there hasn't been any consistency. his passing numbers this year are laughable. i'd like to see him get it turned around i'm just not seeing any signs.

Just a fun fact. RG3's numbers for his first game.

19/26 2 td's 0 int 320 yards.

And oh, it was only 20 TD's his first year.

[mosscarter]

my stats from 3 years ago were a little off, my bad. he threw for 4 td's in one of those games his rookie year. but, regarding his performance in the first game here is what one journalist said:


Is this the best QB rookie performance ever for the first game of the season?

19-26
320 yards
140 QB Rating
2 TD's
No turnovers
10 carries, 42 yards

[TSonn]

Just a fun fact. RG3's numbers for his first game.

19/26 2 td's 0 int 320 yards.

And oh, it was only 20 TD's his first year.

Funny that I pop over to another thread and see more statistical lies from mosscarter to try to strengthen his argument against Teddy. Good fact-checking, Raptorman!

[Raptorman]

Funny that I pop over to another thread and see more statistical lies from mosscarter to try to strengthen his argument against Teddy. Good fact-checking, Raptorman!

It's a pet peeve of mine. Even though I do end up doing it at times. My Facebook friends are not to happy with me because I keep slamming their political memes. If you are going to post it, try to be as accurate as possible.

[mosscarter]

bridgewaters stats suck no matter how you slice it. and don't get me wrong i hope they improve. i've been hoping all season.

[Gemfow]

moving the ball at will????? what planet are you on. the only place we've moved the ball to is field goal range. drew brees had 7 tds in a single game and bridgewater has 9 all year. are you kidding me? he is killing this team wake up. we have the best rb back of our generation and this is the best teddy can do? he is not a franchise qb and will be a backup two years from now. we will sadly stick with him through next season when he will disappoint the same way. he is NOWHERE near a franchise qb. we are wasting petersons years that is all we are doing. he is the best overall player in football and he has this sad and pathetic qb who can't help. against the good teams we've lost every single game this year. we can beat the the loser teams, but that doesn't matter.

I think you may have gone a little overboard on Teddy. He may not have some cannon for an arm but. Too many people have put an emphasis on a strong armed QB. I'm not even trying to compare Teddy with Brady but look at Brady when he works that offense, there aren't a whole lot of 40 yard bombs thrown down field. He's more about precision and so was Joe Montana who didn't have a howitzer.

It sucks that Peterson has never really had a great passing game but Peterson is part of the problem too. Defense know what we are going to do. Peterson has shown an inability to run out of the shotgun. When Peterson does catch passes he doesn't seem to have that quick burst laterally. The Eason for me mentioning that is because it is one reason why he doesn't run well in the shotgun, he doesn't seem to start off quickly. That's fine, he's great but the OC has to do a better job of playing to both player's strengths. I absolutely hate the play calling at times. I've seen Peterson chunk off three good runs and they won't even try a play action pass off of it. They always seem to call a first down run. They have to shorten these routes and stop running longer developing routes. Teddy's best games have been with short and intermediate routes. When he has to throw deep I've noticed him having to almost hesitate to just muster up the arm strength and it ends up being long. The deep ball isn't his strength and I'm fine with that.

The main thing I see is his mechanics have to be altered. Quite a few of his passes are high. It was a mistake for the Turners to tell him they didn't want anyone to change his mechanics. Hopefully this offseason they will change his mechanics. Plus it would be nice to get some receivers who can run routes. Wallace isn't the answer. I'd rather have Jennings right about now.

[Gemfow]

anybody that is blaming Teddy and not the OL ? I think you need to try and play QB for
a while; and have four 275 to 325 lbs guys run at you unblocked, because the OL wiffed
on their blocks and see how many great plays you make..

That's what I don't understand about some of the people crying about teddy. He may not be perfect but he's no bum and he's in his second year as a QB.

Personally I'd like to see some shorter routes ran in Minnesota, especially with a receiver like digs who is in and out of his breaks really fast. Teddy's better games seem to be when the routes are shorter and he gets the ball out quickly. These deeper ins and outs don't seem to be the answer. Long developing plays with this offensive line just aren't the answer. I'm sure Dallas would love Bridgewater over Cassel because the line there can protect him and give him some time.

[IIsweet]

Give me an OL that can block for 1/2 a second longer, a OC that actually designs plays with routes for WR's to get open, and you will get what you want.
The WR corps has the dynamics to be scary, but seem to not understand how to get open.
Btw, hard to develop a group of WR's that excelled at only the "go" route their entire careers. Diggs was special at getting open, creating separation, and catching balls. We have to improve the OL if we plan on getting the ball into the 9route guys hands.
Would love to see a list of upcoming FA OL. Also the top collegiate OL coming out.

[The Breeze]

Great takes, Gem.

I think the O-line issue is consistency. IMO, it's not so much that they need to hold a pocket for x amount of time longer...they just need to consistently create one. I've seen TB get plenty of time to throw, but then every 3rd play, and often every other, some guy(s) come through practically untouched.
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Even the isues with TBs arm strength, the longer routes, AD's lack of production on 3rd down etc, are not the real problems. The real problem is that Turner has done next to nothing about working to his players strengths.
I thought he did a much better job this past game. Hopefully he has his head out of his past the rest of the way.
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If I'm CP84, I'm praying to get traded. Could you imagine what Seattle, AZ,Pitt,Philly etc, might get from that guy just by finding creative ways to get him the ball.
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eff you, Norv