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I am so sick of him. All the players we were after have now been traded. Or signed to extensions. Why do we need 5,000 pitchers in our minor league system? Get a decent bat so we can win. We aren't any worse than we were last season at this point... Punto is a joke at 3rd, get a freakin 3rd baseman.
His answer is always call someone up who has no major league experience. That doesn't work. We should have traded for Dmitri Young or someone who could hit the damn ball.

Man this is irritating.,

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Hey now, there are rumors we're trading Castillo for a pair of prospects.

Why look at today, when they can look at next year...every year?


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Hey now, there are rumors we're trading Castillo for a pair of prospects.

Why look at today, when they can look at next year...every year?


Those rumors are true. Castillo's gone. And I'm REALLY, REALLY pissed.

But should we be pissed at Ryan? He doesn't own this franchise. Is he really the guy making the decisions?


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Hey now, there are rumors we're trading Castillo for a pair of prospects.

Why look at today, when they can look at next year...every year?


Those rumors are true. Castillo's gone. And I'm REALLY, REALLY pissed.

But should we be pissed at Ryan? He doesn't own this franchise. Is he really the guy making the decisions?



WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE?!?!?! Come on! Well, may as well send Hunter off. Why not, we have Lew Ford!!

This is so irritating.

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This is a money trade. The prospects aren't much.

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The Twins recalled infielder Alexi Casilla to replace Castillo, though he wasn't able to make it in time to join Monday night's lineup against the Kansas City Royals. Casilla hit .233 with two RBIs and four stolen bases in 14 games earlier this year, showing plenty of promise but also had several rough moments in the field.

With Casilla, current third baseman Nick Punto and top prospect Matt Tolbert, Ryan said he's satisfied with what the team has at second and third for the future. He also said he was comfortable enough with Casilla that the Twins can still stay in the playoff chase despite losing their leadoff hitter.

"No, we're not giving up at all," Ryan said. "We're six-and-a-half games back, and we're better than we were last week. If we didn't think we could absorb this, we certainly wouldn't have done it."


Satisfied with Casilla and Punto?

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we're better than we were last week


So, you're trying to tell me Casilla is better then Castillo? Give me a break and quit talking out your ####. You've given up on the season, and for good reason. Go research some terrible free agent you can snag for next to nothing and release half way through the year you blow hard.


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we're better than we were last week


So, you're trying to tell me Casilla is better then Castillo? Give me a break and quit talking out your ####. You've given up on the season, and for good reason. Go research some terrible free agent you can snag for next to nothing and release half way through the year you blow hard.



SING it sister!!


Terry Ryan has done some incredible moves in his tenure. But he's done some bonheaded ones too, like not doing any the last three years. What's wrong with trading for a rent-a-bat? Or a good 3B.

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Terry Ryan has done some incredible moves in his tenure. But he's done some bonheaded ones too, like not doing any the last three years. What's wrong with trading for a rent-a-bat? Or a good 3B.


You're singing to the choir, but Terry Ryan's job is to make money for Carl Pohlad and Sons. The way that MLB has its revenue structure ties his hands. I dislike him for it, which is irrational in a way, but I know why he must do it.

Thank God for Wellington Mara, or we'd be looking at the same thing in the NFL.

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Terry Ryan has done some incredible moves in his tenure. But he's done some bonheaded ones too, like not doing any the last three years. What's wrong with trading for a rent-a-bat? Or a good 3B.


You're singing to the choir, but Terry Ryan's job is to make money for Carl Pohlad and Sons. The way that MLB has its revenue structure ties his hands. I dislike him for it, which is irrational in a way, but I know why he must do it.

Thank God for Wellington Mara, or we'd be looking at the same thing in the NFL.


"He's not dumping. He's rearranging, maybe to try to find someone that might help us," Gardenhire said.

There's a quote from the ship captain, sucking up to his boss (and lying in the process).

Minniman is correct that football fans owe a debt of gratitude to the New York Giants for taking care of the best interests of the game.


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Terry Ryan has done some incredible moves in his tenure. But he's done some bonheaded ones too, like not doing any the last three years. What's wrong with trading for a rent-a-bat? Or a good 3B.


You're singing to the choir, but Terry Ryan's job is to make money for Carl Pohlad and Sons. The way that MLB has its revenue structure ties his hands. I dislike him for it, which is irrational in a way, but I know why he must do it.

Thank God for Wellington Mara, or we'd be looking at the same thing in the NFL.


"He's not dumping. He's rearranging, maybe to try to find someone that might help us," Gardenhire said.

There's a quote from the ship captain, sucking up to his boss (and lying in the process).

Minniman is correct that football fans owe a debt of gratitude to the New York Giants for taking care of the best interests of the game.



Gardenhire actually said that? I just lost a lot of respect for him. You're right, Dan he is kissing up horribly.

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Wtf? Costillo is gone? wow.

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Why not trade Castillo for a 3rd baseman with some pop in his bat and then move Punto to 2nd?

I don't think he's a huge loss as he doesn't get any extra bases. His OBP is almost the same as his slugging, and its not because he is an OBP machine either.

Sure he has speed and is a pretty good fielder, but there are a whole bunch of guys in that mold on the team already.

A part of me thinks they need to trade Nathan for a bat; closers are way overrated in the baseball market so they might as well take advantage of that. They could move Neshek to CL as he is lights out anyways. That would open up funds for Torii Hunter so he doesn't leave too. I love watching Nathan though, so it would be tough to see him go.


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Minniman wrote:
Thank God for Wellington Mara, or we'd be looking at the same thing in the NFL.


The revenue sharing aspect of the NFL is a wonderful thing, but I really hope MLB avoids the hard cap like the plague. I can't stand how it breaks up good teams in the NFL which results in very mediocre teams throughout the league; there is no such thing as an upset or cinderella in the NFL anymore and that makes it very dull IMO.

I've argued with you over the years on how much of a problem revenue differences in baseball are (I don't think its as big of a problem as most.) But I do think its an inequality that hurts the game at least some. I don't want the NFL system, but baseball needs better revenue sharing (assuming there is a rule stipulating the owners must spend the shared part instead of pocketing it as Pohlad would do.)


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Thank God for Wellington Mara, or we'd be looking at the same thing in the NFL.


The revenue sharing aspect of the NFL is a wonderful thing, but I really hope MLB avoids the hard cap like the plague. I can't stand how it breaks up good teams in the NFL which results in very mediocre teams throughout the league; there is no such thing as an upset or cinderella in the NFL anymore and that makes it very dull IMO.


No system is perfect. But I prefer a cap as hard as a diamond to baseball's current approach.


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Wtf? Costillo is gone? wow.


How is the reaction in the Land of Lakes? Are the players popping off in the media? Is Hunter saying stuff like "I guess they didn't really want me anyway?" Are fans calling radio shows and asking if contraction is next?

Seriously, I know a couple of those questions are rhetorical, but I should hope that the place is outraged. Anyone who knows anything about baseball would know that Castillo isn't the kind of player you just give up for nothing -- especially given the team's (a) third baseman, (b) left fielder, and (c) designated hitter. This isn't exactly the 75 Reds lineup we're talking about; it could hardly afford to lose a .300 hitter with a heck of a glove and all sorts of speed.


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I haven't heard anything from anyone as far as the players or even talking heads are concerned...


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Demi wrote:
I haven't heard anything from anyone as far as the players or even talking heads are concerned...



Hunter was pissed. Actually, so was Castillo. I'll try tofind quotes later. But not only did they get nothing for a .300 hitter, they didn't make any other moves. How many pitching prospects does one team need?

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Demi wrote:
I haven't heard anything from anyone as far as the players or even talking heads are concerned...


Strange. To borrow a phrase from Abby Hoffman, Minnesota must be a "hotbed of rest."


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DanAS1 wrote:
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I haven't heard anything from anyone as far as the players or even talking heads are concerned...


Strange. To borrow a phrase from Abby Hoffman, Minnesota must be a "hotbed of rest."


More like a "hotbed of content"

I mean, look at all those division championships! I am sure excited about the future! :roll:

Now we'll lose a player or two that makes this team competitive and hope we can keep plugging in no names "prospects" and not lose a step...or five.


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I heard on KFAN that there was an article (I don't have time to actually look for it) where Santana is very P.O'd about not making a move (other than LOSING Castillo. The last thing we want to do is piss Santana off.



http://www.startribune.com/179/story/1336318.html

edit, there's the link. I think everyone in MN feels hispain right now. Terry Ryan is a gutless coward. In a way, I'd rather have a GM like McHale than Ryan because McHale tries to improive the present (he just SUCKS at it), but Ryan doesn't try to improve anything. I cant believe the only move he made was to trade away Castillo. Like we need more prospects? Like we don't need a second baseman?

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[quote="PurpleMustReign"]I heard on KFAN that there was an article (I don't have time to actually look for it) where Santana is very P.O'd about not making a move (other than LOSING Castillo. The last thing we want to do is piss Santana off. [quote]

Santana wants out. And who can blame him? He wants to play in the World Series, not to begin each season thinking that the best the team can do is lose in the first round of the playoffs.

This truly was a sickening move -- an insult to all baseball fans who have a clue about what kind of players a team needs to excel. No, you don't pay a non-power hitter like Castillo $20M a year, but you sure as heck don't give him away either. Given the support for a new stadium with public funding, if I lived in Minnesota, I'd think seriously about not going to any more games this year just to make a statement to Pohlad and Company.


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This truly was a sickening move -- an insult to all baseball fans who have a clue about what kind of players a team needs to excel. No, you don't pay a non-power hitter like Castillo $20M a year, but you sure as heck don't give him away either. Given the support for a new stadium with public funding, if I lived in Minnesota, I'd think seriously about not going to any more games this year just to make a statement to Pohlad and Company.



WEll said, my man. Not only did Ryan NOT add a player, he threw away a starter, and a guy who was hitting .305 on a team that can't hit!! How pathetic.

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Not only did Ryan NOT add a player, he threw away a starter, and a guy who was hitting .305 on a team that can't hit!! How pathetic.


You know that cliche that says "even the thinnest of pancakes have two sides"? I think we may have found an exception to the rule here -- what the Twins did is indefensible. I've heard guys defend McHale's move, but nobody defends what the Twins did. I couldn't even figure out an argument.


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The only thing I've heard is Castillo was going to be a free agent...and they got *something* for him. But even then they follow that by blatantly lying about not giving us, and feeding us more lines. I hope no one shows up at that stadium until they put a competitive product on the field...


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The only thing I've heard is Castillo was going to be a free agent...and they got *something* for him.


Castillo was an aging veteran that had a $5 million contract. The Twins are a small market team in a non revenue sharing league, and MLB is exempt from anti-trust laws unless Congress acts to specifically make laws otherwise.

Get pissed about Castillo, but Hunter, Santana, and Morneau could all be gone in a few short seasons, and there isn't much we will be able to do about it. As many of you have stated in other threads, you really don't want the government to get involved on regulating major league interstate sports.

If Castillo really wanted to be here, he could sign with the Twins in the offseason. Of course, Ryan has just about killed any thought of that with his, "we are a better team now" remarks.

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DanAS1 wrote:
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Not only did Ryan NOT add a player, he threw away a starter, and a guy who was hitting .305 on a team that can't hit!! How pathetic.


You know that cliche that says "even the thinnest of pancakes have two sides"? I think we may have found an exception to the rule here -- what the Twins did is indefensible. I've heard guys defend McHale's move, but nobody defends what the Twins did. I couldn't even figure out an argument.


I don't like the move, but Castillo didn't really get on base as much as he should have. He got the hits, but his OBP was nothing special for a leadoff man. With the way his hits fall (almost all singles), walks are nearly as good (besides that guys on base only advance one base), so I'd rather have a guy who gets on base more but has a lower batting average.

The team already has enough guys in his mold (absolutely no power, good defense, decent speed.) They need to find some guys who have some pop in their bat besides Morneau and Hunter. Its pathetic who is starting at DH and the corner OF positions; some of that is the limited budget but most of that is stupid moves (or non-moves) the team has made. The team obviously looks for guys who are quick and have defense, and if they can get 3 HR in a year its a bonus; this organization thinks its still the dead ball era evidently.

He's also got a big contract and the team is trying to sign Hunter and hold on to other guys who are about due for a new contract. Someone had to go.

Now that being said, they got nearly nothing for him. The replacement will get on base even less and likely won't be as good with the glove. They might as well stuck with him for the rest of the year and make another playoff run. If they couldn't sign him in the offseason, so be it.

There I tried. Not a great argument, but its something.


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There I tried. Not a great argument, but its something.


And much appreciated. I'll spare you the counter-argument, since you don't buy what you said either. But I'll agree on one point -- guys who don't hit for a lot of power need to walk, walk, WALK! I've often thought about whether OBP should be substituted for batting average when evaluating non-power hitters.


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I'll spare you the counter-argument, since you don't buy what you said either.


LOL!

I;m not mad that we got rid of castillo, I'm mad that we got nothing for him, and didn't make any other moves to improve the team.

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I'll spare you the counter-argument, since you don't buy what you said either.


LOL!

I;m not mad that we got rid of castillo, I'm mad that we got nothing for him, and didn't make any other moves to improve the team.


Me too. He was nothing special and had too big of a contract. But there was no reason to just give him away.


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DanAS1 wrote:
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There I tried. Not a great argument, but its something.


And much appreciated. I'll spare you the counter-argument, since you don't buy what you said either. But I'll agree on one point -- guys who don't hit for a lot of power need to walk, walk, WALK! I've often thought about whether OBP should be substituted for batting average when evaluating non-power hitters.


OBP has at least become a standard on Internet columns where you see three numbers like .290/.350/.439 where its AVG/OBP/SLG. Those numbers are very important (much more so than RBI anyways.) It hasn't really caught on during broadcasts like it should, and the announcers like to ignore the last two numbers (the important ones) and go back to the more traditional (and incomplete) stats.

A high AVG means a guy has a skill at getting hits, but OBP is more important to look at (especially for a guy like Castillo.)

FWIW guys with power need to walk to make up for their high K's and lower AVG too. Patience at the plate is a virtue.


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