I wouldn't say that anybody didn't give it their all. But I would say that some have let situations get to them more than others.Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:56 amHave you seen a Vikings QB that hasn’t given it there all? Like any proof of any QB not giving it there all? Any obvious signs they weren’t giving it their all? These guys are paid millions and if for some reason they aren’t “giving it their all”, they’d be benched or it would be clear as day. Even guys that weren’t good like Christian ponder. I don’t think there was ever once where ponder didn’t give it his all. Christian ponder just wasn’t good. The whole effort thing and giving it their all is just a weak argument IMO. It’s something you 1.) can never prove and 2.) have no real idea about. Effort and giving it their all more or less just isn’t the correct wording. These guys don’t go out there every week and not try. Watching pre game speeches and stuff, I know someone like cousins gets his team pumped up. So did keenum. I don’t think teddy was as vocal but was more liked as a person. But I don’t think any of our QBs as of late lacked leadership in any way.StumpHunter wrote: ↑Sun Mar 29, 2020 8:06 am
Leadership is so huge. One thing about Case, you watched him in 2017 and it was clear he was giving it his all nearly every game. I have never seen a QB who played at his peak so consistently, and I think that affected the players around him to see him do that. It is just too bad his peak was Aaron Rodgers on a very bad day or we probably win the SB that year.
Back in 2013, I was at the Vikings home game against Cleveland. Here we were, fresh off a playoff season, AP at his zenith, and Christian Ponder having finished 2012 fairly strong. Ponder had not gotten off to a particularly good start for the Vikings that year, and he absolutely stunk up the joint against the Browns. I remember Brian Hoyer outplaying Ponder huge in that game, and Josh Gordon absolutely lighting up our defense. We ended up losing the game late to the hapless Browns in the home opener to drop to 0-3.
We had great seats, 50 yard line, 24th row, and I was watching Ponder on the sidelines. Around the middle of the third quarter, after another 3-and-out and the fans starting to boo, you could see that he was gone. Had absolutely given up. Packed it in. His teammates wanted nothing to do with him. Avoided him like the plague. He wasn't looking at photos, talking on a phone, nothing. We had binoculars, and you could see it on his face, plain as day. He had checked out. And honestly, it looked like his team had checked out on him. Those were truly the dark days.
That's probably rare in the NFL, but it does happen. You never saw Keenum do that. If there was one thing you could say about Case Keenum in 2017, it's that if you asked him to run through a brick wall, he'd probably run through the wrong one before you could tell him which wall you were talking about. And it didn't matter the score. At times, I wonder where Cousins' mind is when he's having bad games, but I saw a lot less of that last year than in his first year, especially after the first Chicago game. Late in 2018, there were times Cousins looked bewildered, like he was almost going WTF with DeFilippo's offense.
I just think a quarterback's leadership has to extend beyond pregame buildup and rah-rah speeches.