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Author:  Jordysghost [ Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:31 am ]
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Cliff wrote:
Jordysghost wrote:
I never said it was, thats the point, Rodgers set his own bar far too high.

Who cares about some pff nonsense? I prefer real stats, NFL statistics, and they seem to indicate that even in this "slump" year, Rodgers just put up as good a year as Brady has put up since he went 18-1. (With the possible and arguable exception of Bradys current year)

Why was Bradys 2013 not looked at as a super ultra mega slump? He had a 25-11 Td to int ratio and an 87.3 rating, Rodgers has never had a season that bad in his life, if 31-8 td to int ratio and a rating of 92.7 is a slump, then Brady has had multiple worse slumps in his career.

Point blank, its only a slump by Rodgers own standard, anyone else puts up those years and its a great/good year.


During that 8 game stretch he was matching Blaine Gabbert's stats so ... sure, by the end of the year he had done well enough to bring his numbers up, but during that window he was awful.

Anyway, it's not all about stats in the Brady vs. Rodgers debate. At any rate, setting the stats aside, it's hard to argue with Brady's results. Which one would I take in their prime? That's a tough decision as I realize some of Brady's success is that he's been on superior team to Rodgers on average.


Matching Gabberts stats in pff nonsense? Sure, I dont doubt it. In real stats though? No, not even close. During that window Rodgers was 22-7 td to int ratio with a rating in the 90s, clearly not awful.

Brady played for a legendary roster and had spygate and tuck rule to boot, yet his stats and on field production completely and utterly fail in comparison to Rodgers, its literally not even close.

There is no comparison, one guy literally does everything better then the other in every single facet and the stats reflect this with a vast statistical discrepancy. If Rodgers wins a couple more SBs, it will cease to be a debate, one might even do it.

Brady is not, nor has ever been, nor has any statistic in any way shape or form to suggest that he is even equal to Rodgers, not statistically, not physically, and in both areas, its not even close.

Author:  Cliff [ Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:04 pm ]
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Jordysghost wrote:
Matching Gabberts stats in pff nonsense? Sure, I dont doubt it. In real stats though? No, not even close. During that window Rodgers was 22-7 td to int ratio with a rating in the 90s, clearly not awful.


No. He had a lower completion percentage, less passing yards, nearly identical td/int ratio, and a worse passer rating. Perhaps we're talking about different stretches. I was talking about from the article;

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cs0DwWwW8AAaacb.jpg

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Brady played for a legendary roster and had spygate and tuck rule to boot, yet his stats and on field production completely and utterly fail in comparison to Rodgers, its literally not even close.

There is no comparison, one guy literally does everything better then the other in every single facet and the stats reflect this with a vast statistical discrepancy. If Rodgers wins a couple more SBs, it will cease to be a debate, one might even do it.

Brady is not, nor has ever been, nor has any statistic in any way shape or form to suggest that he is even equal to Rodgers, not statistically, not physically, and in both areas, its not even close.


Rodgers is better in every statistical category except the most important - win/loss. They're both great QBs. I took issue with the idea that Rodgers only has slumps compared to himself.

Author:  Jordysghost [ Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:07 pm ]
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Cliff wrote:
Jordysghost wrote:
Matching Gabberts stats in pff nonsense? Sure, I dont doubt it. In real stats though? No, not even close. During that window Rodgers was 22-7 td to int ratio with a rating in the 90s, clearly not awful.


No. He had a lower completion percentage, less passing yards, nearly identical td/int ratio, and a worse passer rating. Perhaps we're talking about different stretches. I was talking about from the article;

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cs0DwWwW8AAaacb.jpg

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Brady played for a legendary roster and had spygate and tuck rule to boot, yet his stats and on field production completely and utterly fail in comparison to Rodgers, its literally not even close.

There is no comparison, one guy literally does everything better then the other in every single facet and the stats reflect this with a vast statistical discrepancy. If Rodgers wins a couple more SBs, it will cease to be a debate, one might even do it.

Brady is not, nor has ever been, nor has any statistic in any way shape or form to suggest that he is even equal to Rodgers, not statistically, not physically, and in both areas, its not even close.


Rodgers is better in every statistical category except the most important - win/loss.


True, as the Patriots are the only team in the league to have a better win pct then GB since McCarthy took over but again, Brady has the advantage of a better supporting cast (typically, I do think there have been exceptions) and I dont think anyone would argue that Bradshaw was as good as Marino, which is essentially the situation we have here, except Rodgerd has one so far, not none throughout a whole career.

Author:  Jordysghost [ Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:12 pm ]
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Rodgers DOES only have slumps compared to himself, 2015 and 2016 are his slump years snd both were fantastic, the latter being a possible mvp season.

I have no doubt going off such insanely small sample sizes you could find periods worse that Brady has went through, logic dictates such a thing with their vast statistical discrepancy in mind.

Author:  S197 [ Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:54 pm ]
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Jordysghost wrote:
S197 wrote:
Jordysghost wrote:
Btw, "In the past"? When has Rodgers ever had any sort of slump prior to 2015? He hasnt. Ever.


Isn't 2015 in the past? He had a string of bad games in 2015 and 2016. He missed significant time in 2013 so throw that season out. That's 3 out of the last 4 years. I'm not going to go and dredge up anything before then. I think Brady is more consistent, stats aren't everything and its my opinion.

Tl;dr - Shutup Meg.


You say "Throw that season out", and then apparently count it as one of his 'Slumps'. 3 of the past 4 years? Dont you mean two of the last 3?

Again, Brady's not more consistant aside from at throwing less TDs, yards, and more INTs, the "Slumps" you refer to are only slumps by Rodgers own standard, by Brady's standard, they are still very good seasons.

Even in this 'Slump' year, Rodgers just had a better season then Tom Brady has had since going 18-1.

Stats arent everything, but considering the vast, vast statistical discrepancy between them, and the fact that Brady has nearly always had as good, usually better a supporting cast, i'd say the stats are pretty hard to dispute in this comparison.


Two of the last three then. Semantics.

I'll admit that I watch Rodgers more than Brady given he's in the NFC North but even the talking heads have had those "what's wrong with Rodgers?" pieces. As Cliff points out, so have others. You realize I'm more or less agreeing with you right? I think when both are at the top of their game, Rodgers is the better QB.

Author:  Jordysghost [ Fri Jan 20, 2017 2:19 pm ]
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Yea I do, sorry for not making it more apparent.

Author:  808vikingsfan [ Sat Jan 21, 2017 2:18 pm ]
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S197 wrote:
I think Brady is more consistent, Rodgers can get into slumps as we saw this year and in the past. But at the risk of over inflating Jordy's head, when Rodgers is hot, I think he's the best in the game.
I think Brady always had a better surrounding cast. I'd take Rodgers over Brady any day of the week. With his arm and mobility, you can plug Rodgers in on any team and he will be successful. Brady is a system QB IMO. I'm not saying he's not good. He just fits Bill's system perfectly. As much as I like Cassel, I think he proved that anyone can be successful in that system. If you put Brady on the 2016 Vikings team, I don't think he'd survive. In fact, I don't think he'd come close to Bradford stats this year.

Author:  Jordysghost [ Sun Jan 22, 2017 5:54 am ]
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Today is the day, four teams left.

Packers over Falcons, Patriots over Steelers.

Author:  Mothman [ Sun Jan 22, 2017 2:06 pm ]
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Jordysghost wrote:
Today is the day, four teams left.

Packers over Falcons, Patriots over Steelers.


I'm hoping for a Falcons/Pats Super Bowl which probably means we'll see the Steelers and Packers win today.

Hopefully, today's games will be entertaining!

Author:  PurpleKoolaid [ Sun Jan 22, 2017 2:11 pm ]
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I really dislike 3 of the 4 teams playing today, but it should be a good day for football. Only team I would love to see win is Atlanta, with about 3 seconds on the clock, with a winning FG. Almost make up for the way the Viking just fell apart this season.

Author:  808vikingsfan [ Sun Jan 22, 2017 4:16 pm ]
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Can't stand any of the 4 teams.

Weird but I'd like GB to represent the North well.

Looks like they're laying an egg today which is good to see too.

Author:  Jordysghost [ Sun Jan 22, 2017 4:34 pm ]
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#### #### all these injuries then gb gets the flu and the plane is delayed, absolutely #### ####.

Author:  Jordysghost [ Sun Jan 22, 2017 4:57 pm ]
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You can thank our medical staff for us not being a dynasty already.

Author:  Jordysghost [ Sun Jan 22, 2017 5:24 pm ]
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Terrible pi calls on Gunter and Burnett. Why the #### would you favor trash organizations like the Cards abd the Falcons over us give us damn calls.

Author:  Jordysghost [ Sun Jan 22, 2017 6:01 pm ]
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That was not called a facemask.

Can you guys remember this next time you complain about the refs loving the Packers.

Author:  IrishViking [ Sun Jan 22, 2017 6:07 pm ]
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Rough outing by the Packers.

Author:  Jordysghost [ Sun Jan 22, 2017 6:08 pm ]
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But thats a facemask. Derp derp. #### you refs.

Author:  IrishViking [ Sun Jan 22, 2017 6:08 pm ]
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Honestly beginning to wonder if they will ever get back to the Superbowl with Rodgers. Seems like #### goes down one way or the other every time.

Author:  Jordysghost [ Sun Jan 22, 2017 6:09 pm ]
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IrishViking wrote:
Rough outing by the Packers.


If we were healthy, didnt have the flu, plane doesnt get delayed 3 hours, we win easily.

Our medical staff is the sole reason we arent a dynasty.

Author:  Jordysghost [ Sun Jan 22, 2017 6:10 pm ]
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IrishViking wrote:
Honestly beginning to wonder if they will ever get back to the Superbowl with Rodgers. Seems like #### goes down one way or the other every time.


Of course we will, im not even remotely concerned about that, its just annoying how long it is taking.

Author:  IrishViking [ Sun Jan 22, 2017 6:11 pm ]
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Jordysghost wrote:
IrishViking wrote:
Rough outing by the Packers.


If we were healthy, didnt have the flu, plane doesnt get delayed 3 hours, we win easily.

Our medical staff is the sole reason we arent a dynasty.



I mean, I think it would have been an actual game, not a homicide like this is. but Ryan and Julio are having a monster game. Sometimes that just happens. I don't know if Packers were going to top that unless Rodgers had uncorked an actual honest career game, like, literally top 3 performance.

Author:  IrishViking [ Sun Jan 22, 2017 6:14 pm ]
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Jordysghost wrote:
IrishViking wrote:
Honestly beginning to wonder if they will ever get back to the Superbowl with Rodgers. Seems like #### goes down one way or the other every time.


Of course we will, im not even remotely concerned about that, its just annoying how long it is taking.


I mean, I thought so too but he is 33. this season represent 15% of his total likely chances. Next year will be a bigger chunk. He isn't going to be an elite player until he is 40. So far only Brady is the only player in history, ever, to closing in on that.

Author:  IrishViking [ Sun Jan 22, 2017 6:14 pm ]
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I am honestly not trying to troll you. I just think that window is closing a little quicker than you think.

Author:  Jordysghost [ Sun Jan 22, 2017 6:16 pm ]
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IrishViking wrote:
Jordysghost wrote:
IrishViking wrote:
Rough outing by the Packers.


If we were healthy, didnt have the flu, plane doesnt get delayed 3 hours, we win easily.

Our medical staff is the sole reason we arent a dynasty.



I mean, I think it would have been an actual game, not a homicide like this is. but Ryan and Julio are having a monster game. Sometimes that just happens. I don't know if Packers were going to top that unless Rodgers had uncorked an actual honest career game, like, literally top 3 performance.


We lost by a point earlier this year without Randall, Rollins, Ryan, Matthews, and Cobb. We would win. If we would have taken advantage of the fumbles picks today wed win, even with injury. If our QB and multiple players didnt have the flu, we would win.

And I didnt mean just this year, we are constantly one of the most injury riddled teams in the league, in 2014 we cruise to an easy SB win if Rodgers doesnt get hurt.

Author:  Texas Vike [ Sun Jan 22, 2017 6:17 pm ]
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I am really enjoying seeing GB get their back side handed to them. :lol:

Really fair officiating today, Jordy, so you can stop the crying. Rodgers is an amazing player, but I can't stand the way he expects special treatment from the refs. If you run, you can get hit. Be a man about it.

Atalanta's offense is impressive.

Author:  Jordysghost [ Sun Jan 22, 2017 6:18 pm ]
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IrishViking wrote:
Jordysghost wrote:
IrishViking wrote:
Honestly beginning to wonder if they will ever get back to the Superbowl with Rodgers. Seems like #### goes down one way or the other every time.


Of course we will, im not even remotely concerned about that, its just annoying how long it is taking.


I mean, I thought so too but he is 33. this season represent 15% of his total likely chances. Next year will be a bigger chunk. He isn't going to be an elite player until he is 40. So far only Brady is the only player in history, ever, to closing in on that.

Lmao yes. He will be.

If Brady can do it so can Rodgers. Brady isnt even half the player Rodgers is.

If Rodgers hits 37 with no more SB then ill start woering about him having an Elway like swan song, until then im not worried, just pissed.

Author:  Jordysghost [ Sun Jan 22, 2017 6:19 pm ]
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Texas Vike wrote:
I am really enjoying seeing GB get their back side handed to them. :lol:

Really fair officiating today, Jordy, so you can stop the crying. Rodgers is an amazing player, but I can't stand the way he expects special treatment from the refs. If you run, you can get hit. Be a man about it.

Atalanta's offense is impressive.


He doesnt. Fail mary, 09 wildcard facemask, last years illegal pick in the playoffs, get over yourself. You have never been #### by the refs lie the Packers, thats why I can name games where were screweed by indisputably , unarguable wrong calls and you cant.

Author:  Jordysghost [ Sun Jan 22, 2017 6:22 pm ]
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IrishViking wrote:
I am honestly not trying to troll you. I just think that window is closing a little quicker than you think.


Thats just your wisful thinking, our window is wide open with Rodgers, which makes this all the more frustrating.

Author:  Texas Vike [ Sun Jan 22, 2017 6:22 pm ]
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Jordysghost wrote:
Texas Vike wrote:
I am really enjoying seeing GB get their back side handed to them. :lol:

Really fair officiating today, Jordy, so you can stop the crying. Rodgers is an amazing player, but I can't stand the way he expects special treatment from the refs. If you run, you can get hit. Be a man about it.

Atalanta's offense is impressive.


He doesnt. Fail mary, 09 wildcard facemask, last years illegal pick in the playoffs, get over yourself. You habe never been #### by the refs lie the Packers, thats why I can name games where were screweed by undusputably, unarguable wrong calls and you cant.



You all get constant favoritism and you are too biased to perceive it. That's a fact. Everyone else sees it.

But I would guess that even a homer like you would have to face the music and admit that today your loss was not due to poor officiating, right? You just plain got your #### handed to you.

Author:  Jordysghost [ Sun Jan 22, 2017 6:25 pm ]
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Texas Vike wrote:
Jordysghost wrote:
Texas Vike wrote:
I am really enjoying seeing GB get their back side handed to them. :lol:

Really fair officiating today, Jordy, so you can stop the crying. Rodgers is an amazing player, but I can't stand the way he expects special treatment from the refs. If you run, you can get hit. Be a man about it.

Atalanta's offense is impressive.


He doesnt. Fail mary, 09 wildcard facemask, last years illegal pick in the playoffs, get over yourself. You habe never been #### by the refs lie the Packers, thats why I can name games where were screweed by undusputably, unarguable wrong calls and you cant.



You all get constant favoritism and you are too biased to perceive it. That's a fact. Everyone else sees it.

But I would guess that even a homer like you would have to face the music and admit that today your loss was not due to poor officiating, right? You just plain got your #### handed to you.


Not everyone else, just jealous nfcn division teams.

98 instant replay game, 09 wildcard facemask, fail mary, where are all your undusputably bad calls that cost you the game?

I named 3, until you do the, the answer to who gets #### more by refs is abundant clear. Im waiting.

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