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Do you need a little help reading the stat chart? :lol: Hundley never took any regular season plays, you saw his 5-7 Completion to attempt ratio from his only preseason game this year. (A TD drive btw..) But yea man, totally nothing to imply hell be good. /sarcasm (Pst, He'd probably be an upgrade over Bridgewater.)


It was his only NFL stats because your coach switched backups several times in preseason and I believe
he got hurt. 2010 was a year of terrible luck and the end of a #### of a HC in Minnesota. It does
not take away from the greatest memory of any game I saw (2009).

Look up your history in wikapedia and it list two long periods in Packers history as the dark ages
one and two. 1968 to 1991 If you think twenty plus seasons because you had one decade of success.
Seeing your fans degrade themselves for Brett Farve's memories was a true reflection of your character.
If Hundley was so great why are they not starting him, much less making him the backup consistently.

I am not delusional and think Teddy has work to do but if healthy will become a great
Viking QB. Teddy wins real football games. How many actual regular seasons has he won? ZERO
Yeah he is a huge upgrade in your mind, not reality. Just like your awesome defense huh? Look
at the stats last two years. Your team gives up 30 plus points a game in the playoffs every time
they face a good team and GB goes home. FWIW your team lost to Teddy and our defense in your
stadium and we took the division.

I will make you a bet right now! Green Bay might luck out and win the division if Bradford does
not work out. I quarantee will get knocked out in a play off game, maybe two. If they manage to
beat a good team and go the NFCCG I will leave the VMB forever. If they have another year of
one and done against good teams, you leave this site forever. Come on ... if Green Bay is so great
with awesome defense. take the bet... you run your mouth plenty, back it up


And 2009 certainly doesn't take away the sublime memory of owning Favre in 2010.

Why isn't Hundley the starter? Are you #### serious? He is our number two, he was just hurt this preseason. Are you sure he isn't an upgrade over Bridgewater? He hasn't played regular season so we can only compare preseason stats, but from that, it looks like he is quite a bit better then Bridgewater, Im fairly certain he wpuld do quite a bit better then 14- 9 TD to INT ratio, with a passer rating under 87 and the 31st passing game in the league, though I hope I don't find out until at least 2020.

But what about when the Packers played 3 top 5 D's in the playoffs to win the SB? Sure that was 2010 but it certainly blows the lid off your 'everytime you play a good D..' schtick, btw, 30 points a game? we haven't given up over 30 points in a playoff game since 2012, what is with you and saying statistical fallacys?

Right, 'might luck out and win the division' as if you did anything special to win it last year, bruh, the Bears and Lions beat us in Lambeau too, that is my point, it was the Packers that costed them the division title, the Vikings certainly didn't do anything spectacular, the Packers just gave it up to all 3 division teams, that doesn't mean any of you figured out a way to beat the Packers with any consistancy, you have won 1 game of the last 7.

Its hilarious you keep acting as if Bradford isn't a massive upgrade of Bridgewater, even if he doesn't 'work out' there will most likely be nothing to suggest Bridgewater could do any better, and most likely a whole bunch to suggest he could do much worse, getting a better QB then your underperforming starter doesn't leave much wiggle room for excuses. (BTW, Bridgewater 'wins games' in the same way Dilfer 'wins games' which is to say, not really at all, they both just ride the coatails of Defense and a RB)

I am very interested in your bet, but why are you holding the Packers to such a higher standard then the Vikings? If your so confident the Vikings are better then the Packers, why don't we bet on their playoff success too? Or better yet, bet on the Packers vs Vikings games? You certainly TALK like the Vikings can back you up.

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Well, this has spun out of control... :(

Let's drop the Packers/division rivals stuff and return the thread to more general NFL news and notes.


Sorry Jim, didn't see your post, could I ask you to leave my post so Jackal can see my reply to his bet? We will take the discussion elsewhere.

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Well, this has spun out of control... :(

Let's drop the Packers/division rivals stuff and return the thread to more general NFL news and notes.


The Bet seems fair to me.. I am willing to back up what I say.. If Green Bay and its awesome
defense and superior Backup to Teddy should sweep the NFC playoffs, with ease...

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jackal wrote:
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Well, this has spun out of control... :(

Let's drop the Packers/division rivals stuff and return the thread to more general NFL news and notes.


The Bet seems fair to me.. I am willing to back up what I say.. If Green Bay and its awesome
defense and superior Backup to Teddy should sweep the NFC playoffs, with ease...


Let us discuss the bet in the smack forum.

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Sounds Larry Fitzgerald is playing his last season ....

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Sounds Larry Fitzgerald is playing his last season ....


Canton-bound. Love Fitz. Such a pro. Would've been great to have him in Purple.

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Canton-bound. Love Fitz. Such a pro. Would've been great to have him in Purple.


Ohh yeah he would have looked good in Purple, for sure...

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Looks like RG3 lasted a game. I almost fee for the Browns fans. A list of QB's they have had and number of starts since 2005. 23 so far.

Code:
 Austin Davis (2)
 Brady Quinn (3)
 Brandon Weeden (5)
 Brian Hoyer (3)
 Bruce Gradkowski (1)
 Charlie Frye (6)
 Connor Shaw (1)
 Derek Anderson (10)
 Jake Delhomme (4)
 Johnny Manziel (8)
 Ken Dorsey (3)
 Seneca Wallace (7)
 Thad Lewis (1)
Brady Quinn (9)
Brandon Weeden (15)
Brian Hoyer (13)
Charlie Frye (13)
Colt McCoy (21)
Derek Anderson (24)
Jason Campbell (8)
Josh McCown (8)
Robert Griffin III (1)
Trent Dilfer (11)

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Looks like RG3 lasted a game. I almost fee for the Browns fans. A list of QB's they have had and number of starts since 2005. 23 so far.

Code:
 Austin Davis (2)
 Brady Quinn (3)
 Brandon Weeden (5)
 Brian Hoyer (3)
 Bruce Gradkowski (1)
 Charlie Frye (6)
 Connor Shaw (1)
 Derek Anderson (10)
 Jake Delhomme (4)
 Johnny Manziel (8)
 Ken Dorsey (3)
 Seneca Wallace (7)
 Thad Lewis (1)
Brady Quinn (9)
Brandon Weeden (15)
Brian Hoyer (13)
Charlie Frye (13)
Colt McCoy (21)
Derek Anderson (24)
Jason Campbell (8)
Josh McCown (8)
Robert Griffin III (1)
Trent Dilfer (11)


I feel for him that sucks and I feel for Browns fans. But I have always disliked RG3. He had that unearned swagger of a guy who really does think that he is the next big thing. He had a decent intro and has languished ever since. Guy seems like the sorta of person that doesn't think "I need to work harder and get better" but rather "I need to get my mojo back" Not a fan.


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LOL @ Rams

If SF could only play the whole season like they do game 1.


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Bills firing OC Greg Roman. Week 2 seems pretty quick, but it's Buffalo with Rex Ryan, so not too shocking. Didn't know Roman was highest paid OC in the league.

I watched that game last night. Whatever their problem was with their OC, their defense got lit up.


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I watched about half the game and
the Jets moved at will with the pass.
I'm not sure what first half looked
like , but they didn't seem adjust their
defense at all.

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Will Fuller with another 100 yard game

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If there was ever a good example for Spielman, etc. to look at for reasons to take the QB position seriously, it is happening in New England right now. Brady suspended, Garoppolo out with a broken collarbone. Their third string QB, who has to probably be the leader of the team now, is a guy they took in the third round, despite having one of the top five QBs of all time and a second rounder who was drafted a few years ago.
The QB position is not one that should be treated like every other position. Credit the Patriots for understanding that.

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If there was ever a good example for Spielman, etc. to look at for reasons to take the QB position seriously, it is happening in New England right now. Brady suspended, Garoppolo out with a broken collarbone. Their third string QB, who has to probably be the leader of the team now, is a guy they took in the third round, despite having one of the top five QBs of all time and a second rounder who was drafted a few years ago.
The QB position is not one that should be treated like every other position. Credit the Patriots for understanding that.


:appl: I've been saying the same thing for years. I have no idea why so many fans and teams don't see it that way. Naturally, the best coach in the league gets it. :)

It's the most important position in the game. Treat it that way, from the top of the depth chart to the bottom!


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Overall I like Spielman but lets face it for years we counted on Peterson to be our offense.
we could use some depth at QB and better OL.. It was nice to see use throw the ball tonight.

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PurpleMustReign wrote:
If there was ever a good example for Spielman, etc. to look at for reasons to take the QB position seriously, it is happening in New England right now. Brady suspended, Garoppolo out with a broken collarbone. Their third string QB, who has to probably be the leader of the team now, is a guy they took in the third round, despite having one of the top five QBs of all time and a second rounder who was drafted a few years ago.
The QB position is not one that should be treated like every other position. Credit the Patriots for understanding that.


:appl: I've been saying the same thing for years. I have no idea why so many fans and teams don't see it that way. Naturally, the best coach in the league gets it. :)

It's the most important position in the game. Treat it that way, from the top of the depth chart to the bottom!



I don't completely buy this. the QB position is a very delicate spot and belichick is a hell of a coach. I would wager that if Garoppolo had been drafted on about 28 other teams he would have flamed out and been trade.

Hell, I think given an offseason He could make me ready to play at QB. So while I think the position should be taken seriously, it also helps to have a coach that can get that level of production out of a player. I have no doubt that Ponders career would be completely different if he had ended up on the Patriots somehow.


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I don't completely buy this. the QB position is a very delicate spot and belichick is a hell of a coach. I would wager that if Garoppolo had been drafted on about 28 other teams he would have flamed out and been trade.

Hell, I think given an offseason He could make me ready to play at QB. So while I think the position should be taken seriously, it also helps to have a coach that can get that level of production out of a player. I have no doubt that Ponders career would be completely different if he had ended up on the Patriots somehow.

I tend to agree. Yes, they are drafting QBs, but I think the success has a lot more to do with the system than the talent they are acquiring. That said, I definitely agree it's been mishandled by the Vikings management.

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I don't completely buy this. the QB position is a very delicate spot and belichick is a hell of a coach. I would wager that if Garoppolo had been drafted on about 28 other teams he would have flamed out and been trade.

Hell, I think given an offseason He could make me ready to play at QB. So while I think the position should be taken seriously, it also helps to have a coach that can get that level of production out of a player. I have no doubt that Ponders career would be completely different if he had ended up on the Patriots somehow.

I tend to agree. Yes, they are drafting QBs, but I think the success has a lot more to do with the system than the talent they are acquiring. That said, I definitely agree it's been mishandled by the Vikings management.


I'd take that wager, IrishViking but the point was about the wisdom of the Patriots approach. It doesn't matter how Garoppolo would do elsewhere because he ended up in New England, a good team taking a smart approach to an important position. The latter is the main point.

If a team lacks a coaching staff and environment in which QBs can be successfully developed, that's obviously a serious problem that needs to be addressed.


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Wow, Patriots may be down to their 4th QB, let's see how they manage this one for one game.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2664530-jacoby-brissett-injury-updates-on-patriots-qbs-thumb-and-return

Why do I still feel like they'll win anyway?

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4th QB is... Edelman?

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The Bears offense really is struggling without Forte ...

I know they lost some key defenders .. I am wondering if the Bears ownership
would have the patience to let Fox build ....

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All the talk of QBs makes me wonder. Is Jacoby Brisset better than Taylor Heinecke? I doubt it.

Is Jimmy Garrapolo better than Shaun Hill? In one game, probably not. In the course of a season, probably so.

I'm not sure how much better the NE backup QB situation is than the Vikings. Both teams have now been ravaged with injuries at the position, but before that, I'd say Hill/Heinecke have about as much value as Jimmy G/Brisset.


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The Bears offense really is struggling without Forte ...

I know they lost some key defenders .. I am wondering if the Bears ownership
would have the patience to let Fox build ....


Hopefully not. Fox and Zimmer are clearly the best coaches in the NFC North. I'd love to see the Bears panick and hire a dud like Caldwell or McCarthy.


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Carson Wentz...what a pick
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Carson Wentz...what a pick
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It is insane. Although not unheralded. We will need to see if he can adjust once the defenses have enough tape on him to adjust to him. Seriously though, Philly got a heck of pick.

I am really glad we will have half a season of footage on him before we play. It'll be something, maybe not enough but Zimmer will have something to work with.


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Nunin wrote:
Carson Wentz...what a pick
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It is insane. Although not unheralded. We will need to see if he can adjust once the defenses have enough tape on him to adjust to him. Seriously though, Philly got a heck of pick.

I am really glad we will have half a season of footage on him before we play. It'll be something, maybe not enough but Zimmer will have something to work with.

It's also intriguing to wonder if he would have seen the field much at all this year if the Vikes hadn't made the trade. It makes for a really interesting sub-plot should these teams both make the playoffs.
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I expected Philly to be muddling through a rebuild/restructure after the Chip Kelly fiasco, but it looks like they've landed on their feet.
It will be interesting to see how Wentz does in the later divisional matchups.


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IrishViking wrote:
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Carson Wentz...what a pick
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It is insane. Although not unheralded. We will need to see if he can adjust once the defenses have enough tape on him to adjust to him. Seriously though, Philly got a heck of pick.

I am really glad we will have half a season of footage on him before we play. It'll be something, maybe not enough but Zimmer will have something to work with.

It's also intriguing to wonder if he would have seen the field much at all this year if the Vikes hadn't made the trade. It makes for a really interesting sub-plot should these teams both make the playoffs.
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I expected Philly to be muddling through a rebuild/restructure after the Chip Kelly fiasco, but it looks like they've landed on their feet.
It will be interesting to see how Wentz does in the later divisional matchups.


I expect he will drop off slightly as teams "Figure him out" But he can play and has the tools. I would expect that he'll have a few rough games and some Philly fans will live up to their legacy and declare him a worthless bust after a 2 int game but yeah, one semi lucky hit can dramatically reduce a rebuild. Essentially they got their QB of the future and a 1st round pick for next year since it freed them up to trade Bradford.


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Both teams seem to have made out on the trade, albeit it is still very early. The only two undefeated teams left in the NFC were trade partners for starting QB's a week before the season started!


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Both teams seem to have made out on the trade, albeit it is still very early. The only two undefeated teams left in the NFC were trade partners for starting QB's a week before the season started!



If we both keep playing well can you imagine the Sport storylines leading up to the Philly Vikings game?


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