Pretty sure I posted stats that shows he is on par with what both Brady and Rodgers did in the past. Wait, Brady had a off year in 2013 with only 25 TD's. So Brady was not elite his first 7 years. And according to your standards, well part of your standards, Luck should be close to elite because he has 4,000 yard year and 40 TD's. Of course Luck will be better than Wilson. Someday. Maybe. Luck is the reason I don't consider 4,000 yards and 30 TD's needed to be elite. He just shows if you throw the ball enough, eventually you will get to those numbers.
So when Wilson hits 4,000 yards this year and over 30 TD's, what part of his statline will imply that he is not elite?
I know Rodgers has the highest career passer rating in NFL history. Something Packer fans have been bragging about for several years now. Want to guess who number 2 is? Don't worry, he's not elite.
Pretty sure my stats showed Brady did have as good of a running game if not better than Seattle did in 2013. As well as the Packers. But Rodgers was hurt that year for a while. But Brady has a consistent running game year in and year out. But according to you, he has never had one. Packer had one in 2013 and 2014, 1917 yards but my count. But Rodgers never had RB's like Seattle. OK then.
As to my idea of elite. It entails more than 4,000 yards and 30 TD's year. It involves leadership, the ability to adapt, and most importantly, the ability to help your team win. Something Wilson has shown time and again over the last 4 years. But to most, all they want to focus on is how good the defense is, or the Running game. Always finding something to discredit the QB play. Something they don't do with Brady, or Rodgers.
I never meant that Rodgers, Brady, or Brees never had years below elite level that compare well with Wilsons, only that they have attained levels of play that Wilson never has, I suppose i should have been more clear so that is on me. Wilson has never had the sheer production of a Rodgers, Brady, Brees in one of their better years, he just hasn't and the statline indicates as much.
You did make an excellent point on the Patriots run game being comparable in 2013 for sure, and while it is still true that neither the Packers nor Patriots had the RB talent Seattle has (and in the Packers case, rushing production period.) your case, as it pertains to his supporting running game, is duly noted.
Your point about volume vs efficiency, that really isn't here nor there, I understand your point about volume not being everything, and I agree a hundred percent, I have been measuring and comparing every stat available, from volumetric statistics like yards and TDs to efficiency statistics like Passer rating, Completion pct, and TD INT ratio, that still doesn't change the fact that the season you keep impying to be 'elite' is comparable to select seasons from players like Tannehill, Flacco, Eli, and Dalton, seasons that Im willing to bet most wouldn't consider 'elite'.
What Wilson is accomplishing right now this season is irrelevant to this discussion, as I never once denied him to be rewriting the book on his statline and where he compares to the NFL Elite. I agree if he keeps ths up he will be at the very least on the cusp of what most consider to be 'elite'.
Yea, Im sure Packers fans do bring up Rodgers highest career passer rating in NFL history up often enough, but thats only because in addition to that, he has the career yardage, TD-INT ratio, and completion pct. to back it up. Passer rating is a great statistic, but ultimately hollow without additional, more tangible on field production to back it up, lets face it, Alex Smith had the second highest rating in the league a few years ago, and we all know Phillip Rivers and Tony Romo aren't as good or better then Tom Brady.
I agree completely that Leadership, Ability to adapt, and the ability to help your team win come into play, just as tangible on field production must come into play, but the former is rather subjective while the latter really isn't.
I would like to note that you have definitely made your point on Wilson being unfairly discredited well enough, and it is a point that is duly noted, but I do counter that if Rodgers had a top 10 Defense (In one case, an all time great Defense) and one of the best RBs in the league for his entire career, people would be quicker to discredit him as well. (Not even considering the consistancy of the Seahawks upper tier Offensive Line units)
"Follow my lead today, whos goona be the big dog with me?" - Aaron Rodgers, February 6th, 2011