Re: Lions-Packers TNF
Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2015 10:36 am
Disagree with a couple things but I'd rather take this type of discussion to the officiating thread at this juncture, this thread has been like smoking.Reignman wrote:
Well I'm sure everyone is already sick to death about this topic, and maybe I'm a little late to chime in, but here's my 2 cents anyway. I originally thought it was a facemask as well, when it happened live. The way the head jerked, yeah it looked pretty obvious, so I completely understand why the refs threw the flag. It turned out to be the wrong call, and I don't know how anyone can still be denying it now. Penalties can't be reviewed so it is what it is. I don't think (on that particular play) the refs had any bias, they just missed the call.
Nailed it! Jordy you could have saved yourself a whole lot of backlash in this thread if you just said this and moved on.
I've been saying this for as long as I can remember. Penalties need to be reviewable. They have just as much impact on a game as any other play. PI and personal fouls definitely need to be reviewable. This game had at least 2 very bad PI calls (see below). Refs are human and they have to call this stuff live so it's understandable if this miss some calls, but there's no reason not to make them reviewable knowing they miss some. They can eliminate a lot of these conspiracy theories.
And here's the difference with the fail mary. Vikings fans, hell every fan everywhere agrees that the Packers got jobbed. Nobody denies the overwhelming evidence smacking them in the face about it. But guess what? Those were replacement refs and they were all fired by the Thursday night game that week when they brought the real officials back. Think about all the bad calls that came before the fail mary that screwed other teams. The league waited until the Packers got screwed before they finally realized they needed to do something.
I take it you haven't seen the replay? Abbredaris should have been called for PI, not the Lions. Doesn't look like he's playing the ball to me. Clearly looks like he tackled the defender who was the only one playing the ball. He probably prevented a game ending interception and got away with it. Weird how 2 consecutive calls went the Packers way with the game on the line. I still blame the Lions though, for not being able to defend against a friggin 60 yard hail mary.
10 people have shoved the actual rule in your face about this already and you still can't admit it was the wrong call. You can actually grab the facemask now as long as you let go. It's call incidental contact, and this play was about as incidental as it gets. Listen to your own words, "his thumb". The video clearly shows it was an open palm. Can't grasp unless your fingers are curled.
See this Jordy? It can't be made anymore clear to you.
More clarity. How is this not sinking in Jordy? Do you understand language? Now apply what everyone has told you here with the video you see. You have some serious denial going on. Don't worry Jordy, they're not going to take the win away from the Packers if you personally admit it was a bad call. Even if every Packers fan everywhere and the Packers organization themselves begged the league to concede their victory to the Lions, it still wouldn't happen.
And sadly that one didn't draw a flag. Teddy has received numerous hits to the head, facemasks, late hits, and hits to the knees that haven't been called. The kid has to get knocked out by a blatant elbow to the dome to actually draw a flag. And even on that play the flag came out pretty late.
If you want people to believe you, you have to produce your own evidence. Most of us didn't get to watch that game. But you know what I didn't see or hear about? The entire country talking about how the Packers got jobbed in that game, only Packers fans. Unlike this game where the whole country seems to be in agreement that the Lions got jobbed. My brother is a lifelong Packers fan and he even said it was a bad call.
Going by the timeline, I think you were talking about this call at the time. The 2nd and 21 bomb from their own 10 yard line. It was probably the right call IMO. Defender interfered with the receiver without playing the ball.
The 2nd PI later that half looks to be complete BS though. This was 3rd and 11, Detroit up 17-0 with 5:40 remaining in the half. Thankfully the Packers didn't score after either PI.