PFF gives Aaron Rodgers a negative grade for MNF performance
Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 4:23 pm
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PFF gives Aaron Rodgers a negative grade for MNF performance
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Re: PFF gives Aaron Rodgers a negative grade for MNF perform
Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:35 am
Packer fan are ready to storm the gates. Someone called their QB average.
Re: PFF gives Aaron Rodgers a negative grade for MNF perform
Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 5:02 am
I think it is moreso the fact that calling a QB average after he had a game like Rodgers is quite dumb.Raptorman wrote:Packer fan are ready to storm the gates. Someone called their QB average.
Re: PFF gives Aaron Rodgers a negative grade for MNF perform
Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:58 am
They make some decent points though;Jordysghost wrote: I think it is moreso the fact that calling a QB average after he had a game like Rodgers is quite dumb.
They're grading him as if the stat line was 24/35 333 yards, 2TDs, 1INT, 1FUM.The other three touchdowns, however, were passes thrown short of the end zone on speed outs to Randall Cobb. Were they bad throws? No, they were expected throws with the credit going to Cobb for fighting through contact or defeating the coverage with speed to the edge. That makes these zero-graded throws: Three passes that have a massive effect on Rodgers’ statistical performance but do not increase his grade.
However, those touchdown passes aren’t the story of what takes Rodgers’ grade from a grade with a plus in front of it to a grade with a minus in front of it. The story of what takes Rodgers’ grade below zero are two plays that you aren’t likely to see mentioned anywhere else today, but are taken into account of in a play-by-play grading system.
1. Rodgers had a fumble, which displayed poor pocket management, with 8:39 remaining in the second quarter. That play earned a negative grade.
2. With 12:58 remaining in the third quarter, Rodgers forced a pass that Josh Mauga could and possibly should have been returned for six points for Kansas City. If Mauga makes this interception, it would have tacked an ugly interception onto Rodgers’ stat line. Instead, Rodgers maintained his interception-less streak at Lambeau field, but it is a negatively graded play regardless. These are poor plays on Rodgers’ part that bring his game grade down that won’t show up on any widely quoted statistical analysis of his performance.
It really comes down to if you agree with two things; should "almost" INTs count against a QB? They represent a bad throw, sure, but an non-int is a non-int. That's questionable to me.
The 3 TDs off of short throws where the WR did the work makes more sense. Even then, Rodgers had to place the ball so that the runn had a chance to do something with the ball. In the end, I can at least agree that they should count for less in a play-by-play analysis like what PFF does.
Re: PFF gives Aaron Rodgers a negative grade for MNF perform
Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 11:59 am
Im sure they are consistent in their grading system, and I really dont have a problem with giving a detraction for Almost Ints and Fumbles, but I will say I find it non sensical to punish a QB for short YAC centric passes, we run a WCO for #### sake.
Re: PFF gives Aaron Rodgers a negative grade for MNF perform
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 10:33 am
Pretty much tells you all you need to need about analytics - it is worthless information. I don't give a damn who it is, if a quarterback throws five TDs and wins the game, they shouldn't get a negative grade.
Re: PFF gives Aaron Rodgers a negative grade for MNF perform
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 11:00 am
My sentiments exactly.HardcoreVikesFan wrote:Pretty much tells you all you need to need about analytics - it is worthless information. I don't give a damn who it is, if a quarterback throws five TDs and wins the game, they shouldn't get a negative grade.
Re: PFF gives Aaron Rodgers a negative grade for MNF perform
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 11:02 am
Passer rating is still king, every other QB metric is an absolute croc of crap.
Re: PFF gives Aaron Rodgers a negative grade for MNF perform
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 2:30 pm
Analytics aren't absolutely worthless - I'd still prefer an argument based off these "advanced" stats compared to "traditional" stats. But no number is going to ever tell the hidden story - the unseen checks, breaking off your assignment correctly, covering another teammates mistake, etc.
Numbers suck. Analytics suck a little less.
Numbers suck. Analytics suck a little less.
Re: PFF gives Aaron Rodgers a negative grade for MNF perform
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 2:35 pm
DK Sweets wrote:
Numbers suck. Analytics suck a little less.
well said.
Re: PFF gives Aaron Rodgers a negative grade for MNF perform
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 7:49 pm
Analytics (I don't think everyone is 100% clear on what analytics are........) can be hugely useful, depending on their application (kinda like...anything?).
Saying otherwise is ignorant.
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PFF gives Aaron Rodgers a negative grade for MNF performance
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 7:50 pm
PFF 'grades' are not analytics. They're subjective assessments of a performance.
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PFF gives Aaron Rodgers a negative grade for MNF performance
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 8:04 pm
I blame Hardcore. He said analytics and I just repeated it. He could have called them "glitterpuppies" and I would have repeated it.frosted wrote:PFF 'grades' are not analytics. They're subjective assessments of a performance.
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Re: PFF gives Aaron Rodgers a negative grade for MNF perform
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 8:08 pm
Haha. I re-read what I typed. I apologize if it came off as assy, lol.DK Sweets wrote:I blame Hardcore. He said analytics and I just repeated it. He could have called them "glitterpuppies" and I would have repeated it.
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