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A. Gates TE suspended for the first four games of this season. The Vikings play SD in one of these weeks.
this should really effect the Chargers offense.

Rolondo McClain MLB Suspended first for games. Greg Hardy is also suspended for ten weeks for domestic
Violence while playing for Panthers. Two of the four games are divisional games ...

Sheldon Richardson DT Suspended for first four games of season.

D. Jones DE pass rusher Green Bay Packers suspended for four games
of the season.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000499914/article/suspension-fallout-assessing-the-damage

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I read that. Idiots. I'm glad no Vikings were affected (yet).

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I read that. Idiots. I'm glad no Vikings were affected (yet).

yeah I think the Vikings finally changed the culture ...between all the bye week incidents and
off season actually the team has done very well since Zimmer got here..

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Jones is only suspended one game, not like he makes much a difference.

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Jones is only suspended one game, not like he makes much a difference.


A little inconsistent with your comments about packers being a quality organization and its players never
being in trouble a few months back. I'm not saying you guys have the troubles some teams do;however,
the packers are not the little small town owned fantasy land of old.

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It's marijuana. Half of this board has smoked it in the past year. I'm not gonna harsh on him too much...he got caught and it's still illegal, so a slap on the wrist was in order. Time to move on...

[Edit:] I hope that doesn't sound rude. I just truly don't think it's a big deal.

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Jones is only suspended one game, not like he makes much a difference.


A little inconsistent with your comments about packers being a quality organization and its players never
being in trouble a few months back. I'm not saying you guys have the troubles some teams do;however,
the packers are not the little small town owned fantasy land of old.


Why are you making up bullcrap? I never said that Packers never got in trouble, what the hell are you talking about?

Btw, when were the Packers a "Small town fantasy land", and what do you mean by it? Because I assure you that they are still very much small town owned. Not that GB is the tiny little village it is embellished to be, you would thinki it was only like 3000 people the way people talk about it.

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It's marijuana. Half of this board has smoked it in the past year. I'm not gonna harsh on him too much...he got caught and it's still illegal, so a slap on the wrist was in order. Time to move on...

[Edit:] I hope that doesn't sound rude. I just truly don't think it's a big deal.


Hell i took a hit immediatly prior to reading this.

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Why are you making up bullcrap? I never said that Packers never got in trouble, what the hell are you talking about?

Btw, when were the Packers a "Small town fantasy land", and what do you mean by it? Because I assure you that they are still very much small town owned. Not that GB is the tiny little village it is embellished to be, you would thinki it was only like 3000 people the way people talk about it.


Yeah I think it was a Peterson thread or deflagate thread and you commented on the quality of the Packers versus other organizations.

What I mean by the small town fantasy is the media bias on the Packers. Madden and bunch of other commentators give the Packers, Cowboys and now Patriots far
too much credit. Football roots actually are based much deeper in Cleveland than Green Bay.

From what the Vikings fans tell me most GB are cool to deal with. I still, am tried of the bias and NFL kissing up
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Why are you making up bullcrap? I never said that Packers never got in trouble, what the hell are you talking about?

Btw, when were the Packers a "Small town fantasy land", and what do you mean by it? Because I assure you that they are still very much small town owned. Not that GB is the tiny little village it is embellished to be, you would thinki it was only like 3000 people the way people talk about it.


Yeah I think it was a Peterson thread or deflagate thread and you commented on the quality of the Packers versus other organizations.

What I mean by the small town fantasy is the media bias on the Packers. Madden and bunch of other commentators give the Packers, Cowboys and now Patriots far
too much credit. Football roots actually are based much deeper in Cleveland than Green Bay.

From what the Vikings fans tell me most GB are cool to deal with. I still, am tried of the bias and NFL kissing up
to certain franchises.


No I didnt. Not once.

Dont confuse giving credit where credit is due for kissing up, the Packers and Cowboys success both warrant a certain amount of recognition. And yea, Cleveland does have a great tradition, and they would be talked about in a similar GB is had they won as many Championships.

Btw, I dont agree with your assesment, I think the Packers have a deeper and more intense connection to football and the fans then Cleveland does, partially because they have been around longer and are more succesful, but also because the Packers have sold out every game since the 1960's, im not even sure if the Browns sold out every game of last season.

Oh and yea, the fail mary (The whole game not just the one play.) really showed me how much the NFL loves and is bias for the Packers :roll: . You can see whatever you want to see, but that doesnt mean it hold any water.

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I think he's referring to the Randy Moss thread where you said that something like the mooning incident wouldn't happen in Green Bay.

I'm also checking out of this conversation, I was just connecting dots for clarity's sake.

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Btw, I dont agree with your assesment, I think the Packers have a deeper and more intense connection to football and the fans then Cleveland does, partially because they are have been around longer and are more succesful, but also because the Packers have sold out every game since the 1960's, im not even sure if the Browns sold out every game of last season.

Oh and yea, the fail mary (The whole game not just the one play.) really showed me how much the NFL loves and is bias for the Packers. You can see whatever you want to see, but that doesnt mean it hold any water.


Okay lets look at some recent history

SF QB runs for what 171 yards against your awesome defense ... yep
2014 against Seattle 28 points allowed
2013 against 49ers 45 points allowed
2011 Giants 37 points allowed
2009 Cardinals 51 points allowed

Shoot even Christan Ponder was able to almost score thirty against you guys... and he sucks very very bad

Yeah I don't know what I am talking about ... Your team has really great pass offense and a substandard defense...
Without Rodgers you guys wouldn't even be 500...Did your team fix the back up QB spot ? nope kept the same guy
who couldn't move the ball at all......

I can't wait for the next few years when Bridgewater gets to be a great QB ... were going to sweep your team
just like Uncle Bret did in 2009 ....

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DK Sweets wrote:
I think he's referring to the Randy Moss thread where you said that something like the mooning incident wouldn't happen in Green Bay.

I'm also checking out of this conversation, I was just connecting dots for clarity's sake.


Nope, never said that, reread the thread if youd like.

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Btw, I dont agree with your assesment, I think the Packers have a deeper and more intense connection to football and the fans then Cleveland does, partially because they are have been around longer and are more succesful, but also because the Packers have sold out every game since the 1960's, im not even sure if the Browns sold out every game of last season.

Oh and yea, the fail mary (The whole game not just the one play.) really showed me how much the NFL loves and is bias for the Packers. You can see whatever you want to see, but that doesnt mean it hold any water.


Okay lets look at some recent history

SF QB runs for what 171 yards against your awesome defense ... yep
2014 against Seattle 28 points allowed
2013 against 49ers 45 points allowed
2011 Giants 37 points allowed
2009 Cardinals 51 points allowed

Shoot even Christan Ponder was able to almost score thirty against you guys... and he sucks very very bad

Yeah I don't know what I am talking about ... Your team has really great pass offense and a substandard defense...
Without Rodgers you guys wouldn't even be 500...Did your team fix the back up QB spot ? nope kept the same guy
who couldn't move the ball at all......

I can't wait for the next few years when Bridgewater gets to be a great QB ... were going to sweep your team
just like Uncle Bret did in 2009 ....


Woah, there mr defensive, dont make me cry too hard now :lol:. What does ANY of that have to do with what we were discussing? Ill address the points you raise, but I will once again pointout that nothing you said has anything to do with the thread topic, or what we were discussing.

Our substandard D was top 5 in 2009 and 2010, 11th ranked in 2012 and 15th last year (The Packers points allowed average was 21.8, right behind the Vikings at 21.4), combine that with the 2011 and 2013, the only two substandard years in Capers time here, you get not great, but certainly not terrible.

What are you talking about with the whole backup QB thing? In 2013 we signed Flynn who ended up going 2-2-1 and did enough to keep us in playoff contention, and this year we drafted Brett Hundley to compete with Tolzein, who admittedly struggled in 2013 but we knew he was developmental from the start. Playing 500. ball with Matt Flynn is pretty ok to me.

Are you really talking crap about a game from 2012? (Facepalm)

Really? The Packers rely on their 100 million $ cap space eating franchise QB to get them to where they want to be? INCREDIBLE! Thanks for that brilliant deduction. Either way he has been enough for his team to capture a title. You are also blatantly ignoring a wealth of organizational talent but this isnt really the place for me to rattle off a bunch of names, unless you want me to that is.

Uncle Brent lost the last two games he faced off against his former team, not talking crap, just pointing out a flaw your defensive chest thumping.

I definitly think Bridge will be a very good QB, though i dont think you guys will get until the upperhand at least until Rodgers is retired, that doesnt mean I dont see the Vikes as a threat to the division crown, because I do, in fact I think you are one of the fastest rising organizations in the league, but the Packers are one of the most consistantly winning teams in the league and I think if Aaron Rodgers didnt get hobbled the 2015 Packers easily cruise to a SB win, but just like your theory on the NFL being bias in favor of the Packers, it is just a persons opinion, and you shouldnt get so defensive when someone disagrees with yours.

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So giving 40 plus points in the most critical game of the year 3/5 times isn't important ?

I am not saying you don't have good players .. Unless something has changed, your back up can't win games
your coaching staff won't run the ball enough.
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Woah, there mr defensive, dont make me cry too hard now :lol:. What does ANY of that have to do with what we were discussing?
Ill address the points you raise, but I will once again pointout that nothing you said has anything to do with the thread topic, or what we were discussing. Our substandard D was top 5 in 2009 and 2010, 11th ranked in 2012 and 15th last year (The Packers points allowed average was 21.8, right behind the Vikings at 21.4), combine that with the 2011 and 2013, the only two substandard years in Capers time here, you get not great, but certainly not terrible.


Your defense is slow and has serious trouble with speed, the Vikings have the fastest group of wide outs in the NFL
not to mention Peterson. The two reasons your defense stats are inflated. You play in poor division for the last half decade.
Childress and Frazier have both stunk. Bears have been going south for 8-10 years. Detroit just turns the ball over and gets idiotic
penalties, which cost them games. Your offense hides your defense based off of oppents becoming passing attack, trying to keep up.
When you get in the playoffs good defenses with good talent slow down Rodgers and company and your defense can't slow down
or stop teams from scoring. I.E. 51 points allowed 171 yards rushing for a QB NFL all time record. etc etc

In 2010 Bret didn't want to play that was Childress trying to hold onto his job.

Honestly in a better division the Packers would miss the playoffs a lot IMO.

IMO every team in the NFC west is better than most NFC teams... SF might be in rebuilding mode
but giving up 171 yards against a QB ? please defend your defense on that game.

The fact is when you get to a good team that can score or play lock down defense.
Christan Ponder is a horrible QB. Even he could score 20 plus points against your slow defense.

Minnesota is improving rapidly and IMO will own the division 4 out of the next 6 seasons
The Bears stink and are making a lot the same mistakes the Raiders have done, in the last decade.
Detroit has Talent, but they just find ways to self destruct, and turn the ball over in key moments

BTW I am not calling you names, I am just stating facts about your team. You don't know me, or anything about me
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So giving 40 plus points in the most critical game of the year 3/5 times isn't important ?

I am not saying you don't have good players .. Unless something has changed, your back up can't win games
your coaching staff won't run the ball enough.
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Woah, there mr defensive, dont make me cry too hard now :lol:. What does ANY of that have to do with what we were discussing?
Ill address the points you raise, but I will once again pointout that nothing you said has anything to do with the thread topic, or what we were discussing. Our substandard D was top 5 in 2009 and 2010, 11th ranked in 2012 and 15th last year (The Packers points allowed average was 21.8, right behind the Vikings at 21.4), combine that with the 2011 and 2013, the only two substandard years in Capers time here, you get not great, but certainly not terrible.


Your defense is slow and has serious trouble with speed, the Vikings have the fastest group of wide outs in the NFL
not to mention Peterson. The two reasons your defense stats are inflated. You play in poor division for the last half decade.
Childress and Frazier have both stunk. Bears have been going south for 8-10 years. Detroit just turns the ball over and gets idiotic
penalties, which cost them games. Your offense hides your defense based off of oppents becoming passing attack, trying to keep up.
When you get in the playoffs good defenses with good talent slow down Rodgers and company and your defense can't slow down
or stop teams from scoring. I.E. 51 points allowed 171 yards rushing for a QB NFL all time record. etc etc

In 2010 Bret didn't want to play that was Childress trying to hold onto his job.

Honestly in a better division the Packers would miss the playoffs a lot IMO.

IMO every team in the NFC west is better than most NFC teams... SF might be in rebuilding mode
but giving up 171 yards against a QB ? please defend your defense on that game.

The fact is when you get to a good team that can score or play lock down defense.
Christan Ponder is a horrible QB. Even he could score 20 plus points against your slow defense.

Minnesota is improving rapidly and IMO will own the division 4 out of the next 6 seasons
The Bears stink and are making a lot the same mistakes the Raiders have done, in the last decade.
Detroit has Talent, but they just find ways to self destruct, and turn the ball over in key moments

BTW I am not calling you names, I am just stating facts about your team. You don't know me, or anything about me
,so don't assume you do.


Our back up who has never played in the NFL cant win games? How do you know this? Hell our back up in 2013 won games.. enough to get to the playoffs.

You seem to be confused and think this is 2012 or something. Dude, who cares what the 2012 Packers D (Which was statistically better then their Vikings counterparts that year) accomplished or didn't accomplish? The 2012 Packers D is gone forever and completely irrelevant to the success of the 2015 D. You may want to recheck the stats on how often the Packers run the ball these days, your info is quite outdated, running to little hasn't been a concern of ours since we drafted Lacy.

BTW, you are aware that the NFC north has actually been pretty decent these past few years, right? Putting out two playoff teams every year from 09 to 12 is pretty good, I also think you are going to have hard time convincing anybody that NFC north Offenses haven't been at least somewhat impressive, AP, CJ, the Bears even had a dangerous one for a minute. What has given you the impression that the NFC west has been some juggernaut of a division? The winning percentages disagree with you, and I think the Packers would consistently make the playoffs in any division in football, let alone one that put out 2 playoff teams every year (Including a NFCCG matchup between said teams) for four straight years, the North.


Lmao oh yea dude Favre totally didn't want to play, that's why he played. :roll: Favre was always ready to play against the Packers, but the first two worked out for him a lot better then the last two. Are you actually trying to imply that Favre stayed so Chilly could try and keep his job? Oh how nice of ol Brent to do that! :lol: Nah, Favre wanted one more go at a ring and learned much to late that he should have just quit while he was ahead.


Saying our Defense is slow shows me that you don't even watch the units that you are critiquing, our D isn't perfect, but slow it is not, in fact, athleticism is BY FAR their biggest asset. Sheilds is one of the few corners who can run stride for stride with Wallace all the way down the field, as he did in Super Bowl XLV, and Randall and Rollins both have serious speed as well, then there is Casey Hayward who is fast as hell and graded out as a top boundary corner in the league last year despite being brought up mostly in the slot, then there is also our nickel and punt return stud Micah Hyde, HaHa Clinton-Dix is already among the rangier safteys in the league.. you really couldn't have been more wrong, this defense isn't slow by and rational stretch of the imagination, you do have some fast WRs ill give you that, but even in terms of raw speed, I think the Packers WR corps is not far behind, (though id have to look up the 40 times to be sure), and talent wise is far superior, IMO. Not trying to be mean but you should seriously do research before making bold statements that don't hold up under scrutiny.

A good team that can score and play good defense? Like the 2010 Steelers?? Or the 2015 Cowboys? Both of those teams clearly fit the bill, and the Packers were able to get by them, just as they got by the 2015 Patriots who would ultimately go on to capture themselves a title. Again, the statements that you vehemently insist to be facts just don't hold up under scrutiny.

Hey whatever man, you think Minny will own the division 4 out of the next 6 years, and that's your opinion and I respect it, but it is just that, an opinion. I think the Packers are the best team in the NFL and were one injury to Aaron away from easily steamrolling our way to another title, and that we are going to absolutely wreck the league this year, but alas, that is just my opinion, and I wouldn't try to present it as fact, as you are doing with your opinions. And jsuk, I believe the Vikings to have very good chance at competing with the Packers for the division title as well, which really should go to show how highly I view them that I think they have they have a chance at dislodging a team who in my own words I hailed as the best team in the league.

I didn't call you names either, and would you please enlighten me as to what brought forth this sudden flurry of opinions? I definitely don't mind, I always enjoy intelligent debate but Im curious what set you off so much that you found it necessary to start slinging criticisms of the Packers my way, again, I enjoy the debate, just curious what set it off?

And again, opinions and facts are two vastly different things Jackal what you call "Facts about my team" I call "Opinions and rationalizations against my team."

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Just a friendly disclaimer to Vikes fans, I wasn't trying to run my mouth about my team or their accomplishments or anything like that, just trying to engage Jackal in the discussion he raised.

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Lmao oh yea dude Favre totally didn't want to play, that's why he played. :roll: Favre was always ready to play against the Packers, but the first two worked out for him a lot better then the last two. Are you actually trying to imply that Favre stayed so Chilly could try and keep his job? Oh how nice of ol Brent to do that! :lol: Nah, Favre wanted one more go at a ring and learned much to late that he should have just quit while he was ahead.


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Woah, there mr defensive, dont make me cry too hard now :lol:. What does ANY of that have to do with what we were discussing? Ill address the points you raise, but I will once again point out that nothing you said has anything to do with the thread topic, or what we were discussing.


Yes sir you did call me Captain Defensive. Your responses were incredibly sarcastic such as, "don't make me cry too hard now:LOL".

You comments made many assumptions about what I thought, or believed. You also made assumptions about Farve, the player your team
just retired his number. Trust me, Farve didn't want to come back in 2010 and several of the Vikings players flew in the owners jet to get
him to come back. When teams set all time records in yards, such as 171 rushing yards. I think a fan such as myself has a right to question
the speed of your defense without snarky icons and comments. I am done with speaking to you sir, you are not my worth my time.

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Lmao oh yea dude Favre totally didn't want to play, that's why he played. :roll: Favre was always ready to play against the Packers, but the first two worked out for him a lot better then the last two. Are you actually trying to imply that Favre stayed so Chilly could try and keep his job? Oh how nice of ol Brent to do that! :lol: Nah, Favre wanted one more go at a ring and learned much to late that he should have just quit while he was ahead.


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Woah, there mr defensive, dont make me cry too hard now :lol:. What does ANY of that have to do with what we were discussing? Ill address the points you raise, but I will once again point out that nothing you said has anything to do with the thread topic, or what we were discussing.


Yes sir you did call me Captain Defensive. Your responses were incredibly sarcastic such as, "don't make me cry too hard now:LOL".

You comments made many assumptions about what I thought, or believed. You also made assumptions about Farve, the player your team
just retired his number. Trust me, Farve didn't want to come back in 2010 and several of the Vikings players flew in the owners jet to get
him to come back. When teams set all time records in yards, such as 171 rushing yards. I think a fan such as myself has a right to question
the speed of your defense without snarky icons and comments. I am done with speaking to you sir, you are not my worth my time.


You WERE defensive, you exploded into a random tirade about something that had absolutely zero to do with what we were discussing, or the thread topic, nothing at all.

He obviously wanted to come back, or he wouldnt have. You think him being undecided shortly prior to the season means he didnt want to come back? :roll: That was hardly uncharted territory for him by this point. :lol:

I didnt make any assumptions as to what you beleived, I went solely on the issues you brought up, and the opinions you directly stated to me as your opinion.



(Facepalm) Is it 2012? Why do you keep pointing to a game in 2012 as proof that our D is slow? Do you know what a draft is?

Im kind of dissapointed that your going to defensivly throw a bunch of opinions at me, that have nothing to do with what we were discussing or the point of the thread, present them as fact with little to no evidence, and then get mad at me for rebuking them, and then storm away from the subject matter that you so randomly brought up.

This all coming after you accuse me of saying something that I never once in my life said. (That Packers dont get in trouble.)
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Purpnation?


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I think frosted is trolling me for the fact that im a Packers fan and a poster named purpnation put down the same first name in the first name basis thread, im not quite clear on if he is trying to be funny or what, but thats not exactly grade A trolling material.

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