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Good. Even though i dont like Brady (more like i am sick of him), Goodell #### this whole thing up from thd start. Goodell is making himself look awfully foolish lately. I wonder what, if anything, that will mean for his job security.

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@AdamSchefter Five times in today's 40-page ruling, Judge Berman put quotation marks around “independent” in reference to Ted Wells’ investigation.


:rofl: That's hilarious!


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From the SUMMARY OF BRADY’S AND NFLPA’S LEGAL ARGUMENTS By Daniel Wallach that Dead_Poet linked to above (emphasis mine):

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INDICIA #2: Publicly Lauding the Wells Report. Prior to serving as
hearing officer, Goodell publicly lauded the Wells Report—the issue at the very
heart of the appeal. By doing so, he made it impossible to serve as arbitrator in any
proceeding challenging the conclusions of the Wells Report. And, unsurprisingly, his
eventual Award declared the Wells Report unassailable in every respect.


a. Goodell’s choice to make these comments locked him into
supporting the Wells Report and rendered him incapable of
reaching a contrary conclusion in Brady’s appeal, as doing so
would undermine his own competency as Commissioner.

b. The Award itself proves this point—it is just a recycling of the
conclusions of the Wells Report.

c. Applicable labor law and arbitral standards simply do not
permit an arbitrator to publicly comment on the very subject
matter he has been called upon to arbitrate and to then
continue to serve as arbitrator.


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In a statement, Roger Goodell says the NFL will appeal Berman's ruling.

I guess that's not much of a surprise. The ruling pretty much bashed the NFL and their whole process in the "investigation".


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Tom Pelissero ‏@TomPelissero 2m2 minutes ago

In a statement, Roger Goodell says the NFL will appeal Berman's ruling.

I guess that's not much of a surprise. The ruling pretty much bashed the NFL and their whole process in the "investigation".


Maybe they should just let it go rather than set themselves up for further embarrassment.


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Tom Pelissero ‏@TomPelissero 2m2 minutes ago

In a statement, Roger Goodell says the NFL will appeal Berman's ruling.

I guess that's not much of a surprise. The ruling pretty much bashed the NFL and their whole process in the "investigation".


Maybe they should just let it go rather than set themselves up for further embarrassment.


Goodell already released a statement saying they're going to appeal. Have to try and save face, I guess.

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@TomPelissero The NFL confirms it will not request a stay while its appeal is heard. So, Tom Brady plays Week 1, and for the foreseeable future.

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Goodell already released a statement saying they're going to appeal. Have to try and save face, I guess.


That's probably the mindset but I suspect it will just lead to further embarrassment. I think they'd be wise to "cut bait" and move on.


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Goodell already released a statement saying they're going to appeal. Have to try and save face, I guess.


That's probably the mindset but I suspect it will just lead to further embarrassment. I think they'd be wise to "cut bait" and move on.


NEVER!!

Also, Jason Cole is reporting the NFLPA and league owners are agreeing that the NFL needs to overhaul the disciplinary process.

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NEVER!!


:lol:

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Also, Jason Cole is reporting the NFLPA and league owners are agreeing that the NFL needs to overhaul the disciplinary process.


It's about time!


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Goodell already released a statement saying they're going to appeal. Have to try and save face, I guess.


That's probably the mindset but I suspect it will just lead to further embarrassment. I think they'd be wise to "cut bait" and move on.

And remember, Goodall still has to deal with a Judge in MN. That issue hasn't been settled yet.

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Roger Goodell, NFL will have to change approach following deflate-gate loss

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/roger-good ... 48197.html

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If the NFL has learned anything from this, it's that the great failure here was to have hit Brady harder in spite of actions it had taken in similar cases in the past. While the decision stomps on the league and NFL commissioner Roger Goodell right now, it could actually make him stronger in the long-term. How? By unilaterally adding a new wrinkle to personal conduct. One that says "If we determine you have obstructed an investigation, we can suspend you", and "If we determine you are generally aware of rule-breaking, we can suspend you".

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I'm so glad with how this turned out! For a long time it seemed like nobody could see how corrupt this whole process was. It's nice to have a judge that was hand picked by the NFL point out the flaws.


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So Brady got off Scott Free?

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So Brady got off Scott Free?


Yep. Unless the NFL wins the appeal, which at this point is probably unlikely and will take several months (if not more) to hear.

I'm curious how this affects the two suspended equipment managers and if Kraft can still appeal the NFL punishment of $1 million and the draft pick.

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The NFLPA's statement:

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/bengals ... /71641916/

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The rights of Tom Brady and of all NFL players under the collective bargaining agreement were affirmed today by a Federal Judge in a court of the NFL's choosing. We thank Judge Berman for his time, careful consideration of the issue and fair and just result.

This decision should prove, once and for all, that our Collective Bargaining Agreement does not grant this Commissioner the authority to be unfair, arbitrary and misleading. While the CBA grants the person who occupies the position of Commissioner the ability to judiciously and fairly exercise the designated power of that position, the union did not agree to attempts to unfairly, illegally exercise that power, contrary to what the NFL has repeatedly and wrongfully claimed.

We are happy for the victory of the rule of law for our players and our fans. This court's decision to overturn the NFL Commissioner again should signal to every NFL owner that collective bargaining is better than legal losses. Collective bargaining is a much better process that will lead to far better results.


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Why not cheat? If caught, just destroy any evidence, fire anyone responsible. Lose a pick, some cash, and look at your shiny ring. :steamed:
(Not referring only to this...)


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I actually agree, Demi.

We are so caught up with the idiocy that is Gooddell and enjoying watching someone he cant punish take him to task I think we are missing the point here. Does anyone really doubt that Brady had a hand in what took place? I know from what I saw it blatantly obvious; texts, nick names, emails, the awkward "I dont know how footballs work" cover up. He did do this but now he gets off punishment free and all the patriots really lost was a first round pick. Now, I wont say that the actual deflating of the footballs had any bearing on the outcome of any game (although anyone who lost to the Pats last year will say so) I dont know that. But what I will say is this show a team or player that if you THINK cheating will win you the ring, all you really lose is next years 1st rounder (if you get caught).


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The investigation (and I mean the measurements taken before and during the game as well as the farcical Wells report) was so sloppy that I don't think it's even been clearly established that cheating took place. There's some circumstantial evidence (much of it open to interpretation) that points that way but it's inconclusive. If the Patriots did intentionally let a little air out of some footballs (gasp!), the transgression was of such a minor nature that it's deservedly overshadowed by the complete lack of integrity the NFL has shown in supposedly trying to protect it's integrity.

Deflategate was a mountain made out of a molehill from the start. Now it's an entire range of mountains made from that molehill and the NFL is still too stubborn to just let it go and walk away. They've wasted millions of dollars on this ridiculous controversy. Think of how much more good that money could have done if the league had applied it to say, helping NFL veterans struggling with post-career ailments or research on better safety measures for protecting players from concussions. Instead, the money has been squandered over a silly controversy that obviously didn't even impact the outcome of a game.


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The investigation (and I mean the measurements taken before and during the game as well as the farcical Wells report) was so sloppy that I don't think it's even been clearly established that cheating took place. There's some circumstantial evidence (much of it open to interpretation) that points that way but it's inconclusive. If the Patriots did intentionally let a little air out of some footballs (gasp!), the transgression was of such a minor nature that it's deservedly overshadowed by the complete lack of integrity the NFL has shown in supposedly trying to protect it's integrity.

Deflategate was a mountain made out of a molehill from the start. Now it's an entire range of mountains made from that molehill and the NFL is still too stubborn to just let it go and walk away. They've wasted millions of dollars on this ridiculous controversy. Think of how much more good that money could have done if the league had applied it to say, helping NFL veterans struggling with post-career ailments or research on better safety measures for protecting players from concussions. Instead, the money has been squandered over a silly controversy that obviously didn't even impact the outcome of a game.


I think the owners are fnially seeing what an incompetent fool Roger Goodell is, to the point that they are considering taking some of his power away from him. They put him there to clean up the league, and he has done such a bad job of it, they are trying to get him to stop. This has got to be so embarrassing for the owners. The only good thing he has done is make the last week of the season all divisional games.

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Its annoying that they were let off, not because of lack of evidence, but because the trial was 'unfair'.

So even if they did cheat, which the whole destroyed cell and firing of equipment manager indicates, Goodell's 'incompetence' let them off the hook.

Sigh.

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The investigation (and I mean the measurements taken before and during the game as well as the farcical Wells report) was so sloppy that I don't think it's even been clearly established that cheating took place. There's some circumstantial evidence (much of it open to interpretation) that points that way but it's inconclusive. If the Patriots did intentionally let a little air out of some footballs (gasp!), the transgression was of such a minor nature that it's deservedly overshadowed by the complete lack of integrity the NFL has shown in supposedly trying to protect it's integrity.

Deflategate was a mountain made out of a molehill from the start. Now it's an entire range of mountains made from that molehill and the NFL is still too stubborn to just let it go and walk away. They've wasted millions of dollars on this ridiculous controversy. Think of how much more good that money could have done if the league had applied it to say, helping NFL veterans struggling with post-career ailments or research on better safety measures for protecting players from concussions. Instead, the money has been squandered over a silly controversy that obviously didn't even impact the outcome of a game.


I think the owners are fnially seeing what an incompetent fool Roger Goodell is, to the point that they are considering taking some of his power away from him. They put him there to clean up the league, and he has done such a bad job of it, they are trying to get him to stop. This has got to be so embarrassing for the owners. The only good thing he has done is make the last week of the season all divisional games.


I completely disagree that the only good thing Goodell has ever done is make the last game of the season Divisional, but this isnt the thread for that.

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Report: Patriots taped 40 opposing teams; NFL destroyed tapes

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-foo ... oyed-tapes

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Ensuring properly inflated NFL footballs, in 23 simple steps

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To mitigate future confusion -- no jokes, please, as this is a serious matter of international importance -- the NFL quietly overhauled its policies and protocol for the handling of footballs on game day. Here is how it will go, more or less, in the hours leading up to Thursday night's season opener between the Patriots and Pittsburgh Steelers. (And yes, we'll have a little fun with this. Deal with it.)


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I don't want Tom Brady hurt physically but I want to see a 250 pound linebacker hit him at full speed and send
him backwards with great force wrapping arms around him and knocking the wind out of him, fully. Tom lying
on the ground crying and afraid.. yeah I am good with that, a few snot bubbles forming, at that moment.

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The colt's footballs probably didn't know what it was either. :lol:


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The colt's footballs probably didn't know what it was either. :lol:
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Headsetgate!

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