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The part that really irritates me is that the NFL is putting on this facade of "keeping the integrity of the game in tact" with this suspension/penalty when, in reality, the most ethical thing to do would have been to check the ball pressure right before the start of the game and not allow potentially deflated balls in play at all.

That's the NFL prioritizing setting up a trap over the integrity of the (AFC Championship) game.

That and they clearly have no clue what they are doing with punishments. It's embarrassing.

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I think its time for Goodell to go.

This is what happens when a major entity starts thrashing around trying to follow public opinion. It winds up twisting itself into pretzels. The NFL has lost any semblance of organizational dignity under Goodell. The game is bigger than the league, and at this point that's what's keeping the NFL from suffering any monetary consequences to their pathetic behavior.


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I could give a little bit of a pass for a few missteps as head of the biggest sports league during the advent of social media, but they've crossed the line to a point where they don't appear to have a spine, and just randomly pick a place to draw a line in the sand. Replacing Goodell will help, but they need to establish a framework for how they deal with these things organizationally that makes sense and isn't just arbitrary or they will wind up in the same spot.


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Re: Judge Berman: "I’m trying to figure out what is the direct evidence that implicates Mr. Brady in that deflation…in that bathroom…on Jan. 18"

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‏@McCannSportsLaw Very telling Judge Berman's asking Qs about (lack of) evidence rather than application of CBA. These Qs favor Brady.

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They don't need his phone to get his messages.. the get those records in criminal trails now, all the time.

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@AdamSchefter Roger Goodell, Tom Brady and lawyers met today in settlement talks with Magistrate Judge James Francis, but "got nowhere", per source.

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The Judge has already threatened both sides, "you don't want making a decsion, figure it out, yourselves!"

I wonder what does the judge have the power to do?

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The Judge has already threatened both sides, "you don't want making a decsion, figure it out, yourselves!"

I wonder what does the judge have the power to do?


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As King mentioned, Judge Berman, who is overseeing the case, can't decide if Brady is guilty or not — only if the punishment is fair. He can help push along settlement talks and hint that one side should accept a settlement, but ultimately, his decision is to decide whether the punishment should stand.


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@BenVolin UPDATE: Hearing over after 2:15. No settlement. Judge Berman was very, very critical of NFL. Brady/NFLPA are making a good case

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@BenVolin UPDATE: Hearing over after 2:15. No settlement. Judge Berman was very, very critical of NFL. Brady/NFLPA are making a good case


I get the feeling this isn't going to work out well for Goodell and the NFL.


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@BenVolin UPDATE: Hearing over after 2:15. No settlement. Judge Berman was very, very critical of NFL. Brady/NFLPA are making a good case


I get the feeling this isn't going to work out well for Goodell and the NFL.


I sense it's going to rule in favor of Brady OR (and I still think this is more likely) the judge will be forced to rule for the NFL because of the wording of CBA, not necessarily because he believes Brady was guilty.

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I sense it's going to rule in favor of Brady OR (and I still think this is more likely) the judge will be forced to rule for the NFL because of the wording of CBA, not necessarily because he believes Brady was guilty.
Thats the sense I get, too. I have this gut feeling that the Judge would like to rule in favor of Brady but legally will have to rule for the league. I'm hoping I'm wrong.

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I sense it's going to rule in favor of Brady OR (and I still think this is more likely) the judge will be forced to rule for the NFL because of the wording of CBA, not necessarily because he believes Brady was guilty.
Thats the sense I get, too. I have this gut feeling that the Judge would like to rule in favor of Brady but legally will have to rule for the league. I'm hoping I'm wrong.

CBA does not allow for suspensions for messing with equipment. So, if the judge would rule on the CBA, the only thing the NFL could do to Brady is fine him. I think the max is like $15,000 or something like that.

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dead_poet wrote:
I sense it's going to rule in favor of Brady OR (and I still think this is more likely) the judge will be forced to rule for the NFL because of the wording of CBA, not necessarily because he believes Brady was guilty.
Thats the sense I get, too. I have this gut feeling that the Judge would like to rule in favor of Brady but legally will have to rule for the league. I'm hoping I'm wrong.

CBA does not allow for suspensions for messing with equipment. So, if the judge would rule on the CBA, the only thing the NFL could do to Brady is fine him. I think the max is like $15,000 or something like that.


Do you have the specific wording of that rule?


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CBA does not allow for suspensions for messing with equipment. So, if the judge would rule on the CBA, the only thing the NFL could do to Brady is fine him. I think the max is like $15,000 or something like that.


Do you have the specific wording of that rule?


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Foreign Substances on Body/Uniform $8,681 $17,363
Chin Straps $8,681 $11,576
Personal Messages $5,787 $11,576
(Additional fines may be imposed on team management and coaching staffs for condoning, permitting, etc., violations in this area)
Other Uniform/Equipment Violations $5,787 $11,576


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This is a good read on the NFLPA's stance. And it makes sense.

http://www.bplegal.com/webfiles/New%20Cliff%20Notes.pdf

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ESPN legal analyst believes it's only a matter of time before the courts rule in favor of the NFL: http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/ ... -tom-brady

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I thought this was a nice, simple explanation of some of the things currently going on with Deflategate:

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/patr ... _attorneys

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On Aug. 19, attorneys for both sides argued their case to Berman. The judge spent considerable time poking holes in the NFL’s case, while allowing Kessler to argue with very little interruption. After finishing his argument, Kessler had one of his associates give Berman a list of cases that he said bolstered Brady’s case.

The NFL said the cases didn’t apply to Brady’s arbitration.

“These cases confirm that courts vacate arbitration awards only in extraordinary circumstances, none of which are present here,” NFL attorney Daniel Nash wrote yesterday.

That is the essence of the argument the NFL has made from the beginning: Judges very rarely overturn arbitration awards, and Berman should follow that rule in Brady’s case.

Brady’s attorneys, meanwhile, have argued that there are four reasons to overturn what they call an unprecedented suspension: that Brady had no notice; that no standards were set for testing the PSI of the footballs; that Goodell was biased; and that the arbitration was unfair.


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Tom Brady - QB - Patriots

Tom Brady and the NFL failed to reach a settlement Monday in their dispute over Brady's four-game suspension.

The talks went nowhere and the hearing was over quickly. Fox Sports' Mike Garafolo reports a decision from U.S. District Judge Richard Berman is expected today or tomorrow. We are finally nearing the end of this ridiculous saga.
Source: Mike Garafolo on Twitter

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I expect civil discourse in this thread this week.

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I expect civil discourse in this thread this week.

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@NFLonCBS Tom Brady's 4-game suspension for "Deflategate" has been nullified by Judge Berman. (Via @AP)


Twitter 'bout to blow up.

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@AlbertBreer The NFL is likely to appeal Berman's decision to the second court quickly. Immediate question becomes whether they seek a stay.

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@smartfootball NFL really only has themselves to blame as judge was only reviewing process with heavy deference to arbitrator. NFL's "process" is broken.

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@sgw94 this was a fight the NFL never should have had. This required a warning not a sting operation.

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AdamKilgoreWP The NFL has now gotten its #### kicked in federal court three times in less than a calendar year.

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@TomPelissero Judge Berman has vacated the arbitration decision and Tom Brady's suspension itself. Actually went further than Doty on Peterson ruling.

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@RapSheet Don’t expect @NFL to seek an injunction to keep Tom Brady off the field as they appeal this ruling. Basically, he’s playing this season.

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@TomPelissero Berman found that Commissioner's denial of Brady's motion to have Jeff Pash testify was fundamentally unfair.

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@SeifertESPN Worth noting: NFL hand-picked Judge Berman to confirm its case. NFLPA wanted Judge Doty in Minnesota. Backfired.

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@TomPelissero Berman also found that denial of NFLPA motion to produce Paul, Weiss investigative files (used in Wells Report) was fundamentally unfair.

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Berman 40-page opinion here: http://www.nysd.uscourts.gov/cases/show ... ial&id=484

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@JasonLaCanfora Berman: "Brady also had no notice that his discipline would be the equivalent of the discipline imposed upon a player who used PEDS."

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@JasonLaCanfora Not allowing Pash to be examined, failure to give Brady "adequate notice" of potential discipline, lack of access to files at core of ruling

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@TomPelissero Berman found no NFL policy/precedent notifies players they may be disciplined for general awareness of others' conduct. Wells wording hurt. Because Brady won on inadequacy of notice and discovery, Berman didn't bother to rule on Goodell's partiality, factual conclusions, etc.

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@SharpFootball Brady wins, because NFL:
A) didn't give Brady proper notice (p21)
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C) denied Brady access to files (p36)

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@JasonLaCanfora The court definitely has some issues with Wells's "generally aware" theory and what exactly that means

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@JasonLaCanfora The fact the players not given copy of the game day operations manual - which outlines rules for inflation and penalties, also a key fact

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‏@TomPelissero Today's ruling doesn't mean Tom Brady is innocent. It means a judge feels the NFL trampled his due process rights in upholding its verdict.

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@SeifertESPN Worth noting: NFL hand-picked Judge Berman to confirm its case. NFLPA wanted Judge Doty in Minnesota. Backfired.


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Thanks for all the tweets and the link to the ruling. I'll have to read that later.

I'm happy about the ruling. The NFL botched this from the start.


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@AdamSchefter Five times in today's 40-page ruling, Judge Berman put quotation marks around “independent” in reference to Ted Wells’ investigation.

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@RapSheet According to Judge Berman’s ruling, no player may be penalized for being “generally aware.” That was the phrase Wells used in his report.

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