Deflategate: Brady suspended, Pats lose draft picks & fined

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Re: Deflategate: Brady suspended, Pats lose draft picks & fi

Post by PurpleMustReign » Sun Aug 09, 2015 12:57 am

TSonn wrote:The part that really irritates me is that the NFL is putting on this facade of "keeping the integrity of the game in tact" with this suspension/penalty when, in reality, the most ethical thing to do would have been to check the ball pressure right before the start of the game and not allow potentially deflated balls in play at all.

That's the NFL prioritizing setting up a trap over the integrity of the (AFC Championship) game.
That and they clearly have no clue what they are doing with punishments. It's embarrassing.

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Re: Deflategate: Brady suspended, Pats lose draft picks & fi

Post by fiestavike » Sun Aug 09, 2015 8:06 am

I think its time for Goodell to go.

This is what happens when a major entity starts thrashing around trying to follow public opinion. It winds up twisting itself into pretzels. The NFL has lost any semblance of organizational dignity under Goodell. The game is bigger than the league, and at this point that's what's keeping the NFL from suffering any monetary consequences to their pathetic behavior.

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Re: Deflategate: Brady suspended, Pats lose draft picks & fi

Post by fiestavike » Sun Aug 09, 2015 8:10 am

I could give a little bit of a pass for a few missteps as head of the biggest sports league during the advent of social media, but they've crossed the line to a point where they don't appear to have a spine, and just randomly pick a place to draw a line in the sand. Replacing Goodell will help, but they need to establish a framework for how they deal with these things organizationally that makes sense and isn't just arbitrary or they will wind up in the same spot.

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Re: Deflategate: Brady suspended, Pats lose draft picks & fi

Post by dead_poet » Wed Aug 12, 2015 11:28 am

Re: Judge Berman: "I’m trying to figure out what is the direct evidence that implicates Mr. Brady in that deflation…in that bathroom…on Jan. 18"
‏@McCannSportsLaw Very telling Judge Berman's asking Qs about (lack of) evidence rather than application of CBA. These Qs favor Brady.
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Re: Deflategate: Brady suspended, Pats lose draft picks & fi

Post by jackal » Sat Aug 15, 2015 1:35 pm

They don't need his phone to get his messages.. the get those records in criminal trails now, all the time.
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Re: Deflategate: Brady suspended, Pats lose draft picks & fi

Post by dead_poet » Tue Aug 18, 2015 2:43 pm

@AdamSchefter Roger Goodell, Tom Brady and lawyers met today in settlement talks with Magistrate Judge James Francis, but "got nowhere", per source.
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Re: Deflategate: Brady suspended, Pats lose draft picks & fi

Post by jackal » Tue Aug 18, 2015 4:48 pm

The Judge has already threatened both sides, "you don't want making a decsion, figure it out, yourselves!"

I wonder what does the judge have the power to do?
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Re: Deflategate: Brady suspended, Pats lose draft picks & fi

Post by Mothman » Tue Aug 18, 2015 6:13 pm

jackal wrote:The Judge has already threatened both sides, "you don't want making a decsion, figure it out, yourselves!"

I wonder what does the judge have the power to do?
As King mentioned, Judge Berman, who is overseeing the case, can't decide if Brady is guilty or not — only if the punishment is fair. He can help push along settlement talks and hint that one side should accept a settlement, but ultimately, his decision is to decide whether the punishment should stand.
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Re: Deflategate: Brady suspended, Pats lose draft picks & fi

Post by dead_poet » Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:34 am

@BenVolin UPDATE: Hearing over after 2:15. No settlement. Judge Berman was very, very critical of NFL. Brady/NFLPA are making a good case
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Re: Deflategate: Brady suspended, Pats lose draft picks & fi

Post by Mothman » Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:36 am

dead_poet wrote:
I get the feeling this isn't going to work out well for Goodell and the NFL.

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Re: Deflategate: Brady suspended, Pats lose draft picks & fi

Post by dead_poet » Wed Aug 19, 2015 1:10 pm

Mothman wrote: I get the feeling this isn't going to work out well for Goodell and the NFL.
I sense it's going to rule in favor of Brady OR (and I still think this is more likely) the judge will be forced to rule for the NFL because of the wording of CBA, not necessarily because he believes Brady was guilty.
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Re: Deflategate: Brady suspended, Pats lose draft picks & fi

Post by DK Sweets » Wed Aug 19, 2015 4:43 pm

dead_poet wrote:I sense it's going to rule in favor of Brady OR (and I still think this is more likely) the judge will be forced to rule for the NFL because of the wording of CBA, not necessarily because he believes Brady was guilty.
Thats the sense I get, too. I have this gut feeling that the Judge would like to rule in favor of Brady but legally will have to rule for the league. I'm hoping I'm wrong.

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Re: Deflategate: Brady suspended, Pats lose draft picks & fi

Post by Raptorman » Wed Aug 19, 2015 10:15 pm

DK Sweets wrote:Thats the sense I get, too. I have this gut feeling that the Judge would like to rule in favor of Brady but legally will have to rule for the league. I'm hoping I'm wrong.
CBA does not allow for suspensions for messing with equipment. So, if the judge would rule on the CBA, the only thing the NFL could do to Brady is fine him. I think the max is like $15,000 or something like that.
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Re: Deflategate: Brady suspended, Pats lose draft picks & fi

Post by frosted » Wed Aug 19, 2015 10:48 pm

Raptorman wrote: CBA does not allow for suspensions for messing with equipment. So, if the judge would rule on the CBA, the only thing the NFL could do to Brady is fine him. I think the max is like $15,000 or something like that.
Do you have the specific wording of that rule?


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Re: Deflategate: Brady suspended, Pats lose draft picks & fi

Post by Raptorman » Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:18 pm

frosted wrote: Do you have the specific wording of that rule?


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Foreign Substances on Body/Uniform $8,681 $17,363
Chin Straps $8,681 $11,576
Personal Messages $5,787 $11,576
(Additional fines may be imposed on team management and coaching staffs for condoning, permitting, etc., violations in this area)
Other Uniform/Equipment Violations $5,787 $11,576
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