NFL coaching staffs & turnover

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NFL coaching staffs & turnover

Post by dead_poet » Wed Apr 22, 2015 8:05 am

I found this a bit shocking. I knew there was a lot of turnover but still.
@SigmundBloom My math could be a little off, but I believe only 7 teams have had same HC/OC/DC (KC/IND/PHI/CAR/NO) since 2013. only 2 since 2012 (NE/GB)
SigmundBloom Here's the wikipedia list of OCs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ac ... ordinators … DCs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ac ... ordinators … - no trio predates 2012 - instability is norm
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Post by Mothman » Wed Apr 22, 2015 8:27 am

It sounds like you're referring more to coaching turnover than to front office (ie: executive) turnover, correct? I can't say the numbers surprise me, although they are unfortunate. Winning and winning fast has become such a priority in the NFL that when it doesn't happen, there's usually an outcry to fire a coach (or coaches) and I think sometimes coordinators get offered up as scapegoats so head coaches can avoid getting fired. It's an unfortunate situation because I think some good coaches get canned due to impatience, insufficiently talented rosters, bad luck or a combination of the 3.

Of course, some coaches undoubtedly deserve to replaced too...

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Re: NFL coaching staffs & turnover

Post by The Breeze » Wed Apr 22, 2015 9:46 am

Part of the turnover of OCs and DCs comes from other teams hiring them away too. I think it's unrealistic to expect to keep all 3 together for long if they are successful.

HC is the one that matters IMO....but there is still not many with long tenure.

The Bengals have had the same HC for quite some time.

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Post by fiestavike » Wed Apr 22, 2015 12:59 pm

The Breeze wrote:Part of the turnover of OCs and DCs comes from other teams hiring them away too. I think it's unrealistic to expect to keep all 3 together for long if they are successful.

HC is the one that matters IMO....but there is still not many with long tenure.

The Bengals have had the same HC for quite some time.
The Vikings could be in a good position in that regard. Zimmer is effectively running the D and Norv is a great OC, but has proven himself not a great HC over the years. I'm not sure he'd be at the top of anyone's list for head coaches at this stage. The Vikings should stick with this group for the long haul in my opinion, but I don't typically favor coaching changes.

I think continuity is worth more than switching to the next young coordinator. Its just an illusion, like the guy facing a midlife crisis and thinking the hot young number is going to solve his problems, when the old dependable battle axe is more likely to deliver in the clutch. If you find a good coach/wife sticking with her through the highs and lows is likely to produce a better result than jumping ship every time the water gets a little choppy.

Forgive my horrible analogy.

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Post by S197 » Wed Apr 22, 2015 1:49 pm

The Breeze wrote:Part of the turnover of OCs and DCs comes from other teams hiring them away too. I think it's unrealistic to expect to keep all 3 together for long if they are successful.

HC is the one that matters IMO....but there is still not many with long tenure.

The Bengals have had the same HC for quite some time.
I was going to make the same point, sometimes the turnover is a good thing (at least for the coaches).

In the case of the Vikings, I don't think they've been too hasty with their decision with perhaps the exception of Bevell since he has a ring. But even with Bevell I don't think he's all that special. Tomlin was hired as HC so there's nothing you can do there. Chili, I don't think anyone thinks he's HC material and Musgrave is probably in the same bucket at OC. Frazier is arguably the only one where fans may disagree but he was D-coordinator for a number of years before taking over as HC so he had plenty of time with the organization. Plus, he's had a rather dismal first year performance in Tampa, which doesn't help his case.

Hopefully the Vikings have finally found the right mix and we can stop the carousel.

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