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 Seahawks re-sign Russel Wilson 
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So, I have been told that Russell Wilson is not an elite QB or does not deserve the contract he received due to the fact that at least 5 other QB's "are undisputedly statistically superior" to him. So I just had to check on this since he sounded so absolute. This is what I came up with. I took the top 20 QB's in the league for the last 3 years. Now, this information came from NFL.com stats. I sorted the players, added up their numbers, calculated their QB rating. Now, I am only showing the top 10 in QB rating. The lower 10 just are not even close. So somewhere in this list are 5 QB's that are " are undisputedly statistically superior" to Russell Wilson. Only problem is, I don't know which 5.

I would like to point out that Wilson has the same rate as Romo, however, Wilson's Yards per attempt and TD percentage is higher while his Interception percentage is lower.
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                  Comp   Attmpt    %    PAPG     Yards     YPA    TD   TD %   INT   INT%    Rate
Aaron Rodgers      905    1362   66.4%   33.1    11,212    8.2    94   6.9%   19   1.4%   108.9
Peyton Manning    1245    1839   67.7%   38.3    14,863    8.1   131   7.1%   36   2.0%   107.7
Ben Roeth.        1067    1641   65.0%   36.3    12,478    7.6    86   5.2%   31   1.9%   100.1
Drew Brees        1324    1979   66.9%   41.2    15,291    7.7   115   5.8%   48   2.4%    99.2
Russell Wilson     794    1252   63.4%   26.1     9,950    7.9    72   5.8%   26   2.1%    98.6
Tony Romo         1071    1618   66.2%   35.1    12,436    7.7    93   5.7%   38   2.3%    98.6
Philip Rivers     1095    1641   66.7%   34.2    12,370    7.5    89   5.4%   44   2.7%    96.0
Tom Brady         1154    1847   62.5%   38.5    13,279    7.2    92   5.0%   28   1.5%    94.4
Matt Ryan         1276    1894   67.4%   39.4    13,928    7.4    86   4.5%   45   2.4%    94.1
Alex Smith         764    1190   64.2%   28.9     8,315    7.0    54   4.5%   18   1.5%    93.5


BTW, if you take the number of attempts and average them out for these 10 your get 1626. If Wilson had attempted that many passes with his current percentages his numbers would look like this.
Comp 1031, Attp 1626 12,848 yards, 94 TD's and 34 interceptions.

But then his team is loaded with offensive weapons. Lynch, who is good, a 5th round TE 2013 draft, a 2nd round WR from the 2014 draft and 2 un-drafted free agent WR's, Baldwin and Kearse. But he does have that number 1 defense. And we all know a top defense make a QB better.

Now, I also want to discuss the fact that several QB's have contracts coming up that I have been told will not come close to Wilson's. Eli Manning(age 34) Philip Rivers(age 33), Sam Bradford (age 27) and Drew Brees (age 36) all have contracts coming due in 2016 or 2017. Now, Brees might just retire. His is due in 2017 and he will be 38. But the other, well I am sure they will all see a contract that is at least equivalent or higher than Wilson's. If Bradford plays as well as the Eagles think he can he will easily make $100 on his next contract. And Rivers and E. Manning? I would say their teams wrap them up for the next 4-5 years for $90 million to $110.



All good reasons why Wilson is good, and yet, he is still not elite. 20-7 td int ratio is not elite, neither is 26-10 with under 4000 yards both times. Can you imagine the backlash against Rodgers or Manning if they put up numbers like that? Then why should Wilson be paid like them? He shouldnt, yet he is. Good is Good, Elite is Elite.

Ok again with the contracts, what makes you think Bradford and 3 35+ year olds are going to earn second highest payed QB money contracts? Really.

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Post Re: Seahawks re-sign Russel Wilson
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fiestavike wrote:

It seems to me that sometimes teams are too risk averse. The seahawks could probably have signed Wilson for 8 -10 mil a year after year two for a contract that kept him on the team until he was 31. Share the risk with the player and keep the cap number lower. Wilson's been playing carrying ALL the risk on that podunk rookie deal.

The Vikings could well be in the same spot after this year. If Bridgewater does well this year I think they should give him some of the money they would give him AFTER his rookie deal, 2-3 years early and keep the annual salary down, so they can remain competitive for a good 7-8 year window. Put the guaranteed money during the first couple years of the contract. Even if he flames out you are not likely to cut bait with him after 2 more years as a promising first round pick.

Afterall, A'aron is a great QB but the Packers haven't been able to put much of a team around him with his salary and its only resulted in 1 superbowl. Here's hoping that will be the last Packer's superbowl for the next 150 years.


While the Packers only have one SB thus far in Rodgers tenure, saying they havent put a good team around him is sketchy at best. The defense was top 5 in 2009, 2010, 12th ranked in 2012, and 15th last year. Leaving 2011 and 2013 as the outlier.


Numbers that were clearly skewed by playing with the lead. They are a defense that has been mediocre at best for years.


I disagree. I could just as easily state that constantly being on the field and having teams trying to play catchup, often in garbage time skews the stats unfavorably.

Furthermore, the level of D they played at during the latter half of last season, after Clay moved to Inside linebacker, was as good as i have seen them play in quite some time.

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Post Seahawks re-sign Russel Wilson
Wilson gets a nice contract because
1) He's a big name guy with a Super Bowl ring. That drives up the price (see Joe Flacco)
2) He's young and theoretically will still gradually progress throughout the length of his contract. That brings up the price.
3) He's viewed as not only a good talent, but a very good leader. That brings up the price.
4) Whether it's right or wrong, if Seattle hadn't paid him what he wanted another QB-starved team would have (see Jay Cutler)
5) We can argue who it will be all day long, but the bottom line is that QB contracts are always increasing. By the time this contract is finished he will very likely be getting paid a fair number for a Top-10 QB, which he probably is.

Based on pure production so far, he probably hasn't earned his contract, but keep in mind that he deserved FAR more than he has been paid so far. The Seahawks are making the gamble that he will earn his current salary sooner than later. I don't think it's fair to say that it's a great or terrible decision right now, it's just the decision Seattle had to make. Now it's up to Wilson to show the world if he deserves their gamble.

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And Rivers and E. Manning? I would say their teams wrap them up for the next 4-5 years for $90 million to $110.

One down for $84 million.

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And Rivers and E. Manning? I would say their teams wrap them up for the next 4-5 years for $90 million to $110.

One down for $84 million.

Two down. Eli Manning. 4 more years, $84 million, $65 million guaranteed.

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Russel deserved a lot because of what he has done and he played out that crappy third round contract making so much less than deserved for so long...

There were a ton of bench guys making more than russel

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