Seahawks re-sign Russel Wilson

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Re: Seahawks re-sign Russel Wilson

Post by Jordysghost » Sun Aug 09, 2015 11:14 pm

Raptorman wrote:So, I have been told that Russell Wilson is not an elite QB or does not deserve the contract he received due to the fact that at least 5 other QB's "are undisputedly statistically superior" to him. So I just had to check on this since he sounded so absolute. This is what I came up with. I took the top 20 QB's in the league for the last 3 years. Now, this information came from NFL.com stats. I sorted the players, added up their numbers, calculated their QB rating. Now, I am only showing the top 10 in QB rating. The lower 10 just are not even close. So somewhere in this list are 5 QB's that are " are undisputedly statistically superior" to Russell Wilson. Only problem is, I don't know which 5.

I would like to point out that Wilson has the same rate as Romo, however, Wilson's Yards per attempt and TD percentage is higher while his Interception percentage is lower.

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		            Comp   Attmpt    %    PAPG     Yards     YPA    TD   TD %   INT   INT%    Rate
Aaron Rodgers      905	 1362	66.4%	33.1    11,212 	8.2	 94	6.9%	19	1.4%	108.9
Peyton Manning    1245	 1839	67.7%	38.3    14,863 	8.1	131	7.1%	36	2.0%	107.7
Ben Roeth.        1067	 1641	65.0%	36.3    12,478 	7.6	 86	5.2%	31	1.9%	100.1
Drew Brees	     1324	 1979	66.9%	41.2    15,291 	7.7	115	5.8%	48	2.4%	 99.2
Russell Wilson     794	 1252	63.4%	26.1     9,950 	7.9	 72	5.8%	26	2.1%	 98.6
Tony Romo	      1071	 1618	66.2%	35.1	 12,436 	7.7	 93	5.7%	38	2.3%	 98.6
Philip Rivers     1095	 1641	66.7%	34.2    12,370 	7.5	 89	5.4%	44	2.7%	 96.0
Tom Brady         1154	 1847	62.5%	38.5    13,279 	7.2	 92	5.0%	28	1.5%	 94.4
Matt Ryan         1276	 1894	67.4%	39.4    13,928 	7.4	 86	4.5%	45	2.4%	 94.1
Alex Smith         764	 1190	64.2%	28.9     8,315 	7.0	 54	4.5%	18	1.5%	 93.5
BTW, if you take the number of attempts and average them out for these 10 your get 1626. If Wilson had attempted that many passes with his current percentages his numbers would look like this.
Comp 1031, Attp 1626 12,848 yards, 94 TD's and 34 interceptions.

But then his team is loaded with offensive weapons. Lynch, who is good, a 5th round TE 2013 draft, a 2nd round WR from the 2014 draft and 2 un-drafted free agent WR's, Baldwin and Kearse. But he does have that number 1 defense. And we all know a top defense make a QB better.

Now, I also want to discuss the fact that several QB's have contracts coming up that I have been told will not come close to Wilson's. Eli Manning(age 34) Philip Rivers(age 33), Sam Bradford (age 27) and Drew Brees (age 36) all have contracts coming due in 2016 or 2017. Now, Brees might just retire. His is due in 2017 and he will be 38. But the other, well I am sure they will all see a contract that is at least equivalent or higher than Wilson's. If Bradford plays as well as the Eagles think he can he will easily make $100 on his next contract. And Rivers and E. Manning? I would say their teams wrap them up for the next 4-5 years for $90 million to $110.

All good reasons why Wilson is good, and yet, he is still not elite. 20-7 td int ratio is not elite, neither is 26-10 with under 4000 yards both times. Can you imagine the backlash against Rodgers or Manning if they put up numbers like that? Then why should Wilson be paid like them? He shouldnt, yet he is. Good is Good, Elite is Elite.

Ok again with the contracts, what makes you think Bradford and 3 35+ year olds are going to earn second highest payed QB money contracts? Really.
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Re: Seahawks re-sign Russel Wilson

Post by Jordysghost » Sun Aug 09, 2015 11:21 pm

fiestavike wrote: Numbers that were clearly skewed by playing with the lead. They are a defense that has been mediocre at best for years.
I disagree. I could just as easily state that constantly being on the field and having teams trying to play catchup, often in garbage time skews the stats unfavorably.

Furthermore, the level of D they played at during the latter half of last season, after Clay moved to Inside linebacker, was as good as i have seen them play in quite some time.
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Seahawks re-sign Russel Wilson

Post by DK Sweets » Mon Aug 10, 2015 8:20 am

Wilson gets a nice contract because
1) He's a big name guy with a Super Bowl ring. That drives up the price (see Joe Flacco)
2) He's young and theoretically will still gradually progress throughout the length of his contract. That brings up the price.
3) He's viewed as not only a good talent, but a very good leader. That brings up the price.
4) Whether it's right or wrong, if Seattle hadn't paid him what he wanted another QB-starved team would have (see Jay Cutler)
5) We can argue who it will be all day long, but the bottom line is that QB contracts are always increasing. By the time this contract is finished he will very likely be getting paid a fair number for a Top-10 QB, which he probably is.

Based on pure production so far, he probably hasn't earned his contract, but keep in mind that he deserved FAR more than he has been paid so far. The Seahawks are making the gamble that he will earn his current salary sooner than later. I don't think it's fair to say that it's a great or terrible decision right now, it's just the decision Seattle had to make. Now it's up to Wilson to show the world if he deserves their gamble.

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Re: Seahawks re-sign Russel Wilson

Post by Raptorman » Sun Aug 16, 2015 12:13 am

Raptorman wrote: And Rivers and E. Manning? I would say their teams wrap them up for the next 4-5 years for $90 million to $110.
One down for $84 million.
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Re: Seahawks re-sign Russel Wilson

Post by Raptorman » Fri Sep 11, 2015 4:22 pm

Raptorman wrote: One down for $84 million.
Two down. Eli Manning. 4 more years, $84 million, $65 million guaranteed.
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Re: Seahawks re-sign Russel Wilson

Post by jackal » Mon Sep 14, 2015 10:03 am

Russel deserved a lot because of what he has done and he played out that crappy third round contract making so much less than deserved for so long...

There were a ton of bench guys making more than russel
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