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This thread is everything that, depending on my mood, either amuses or frustrates me about certain posters. Spielman allowed Percy to reach optimum value while we had no WR threats, fleeced Seattle, and now it was still, somehow, a bad move. I would love to know how he could have played his hand better. Obviously, somebody here will have that answer. Even when things work out, our GM doesn't know anything...

Could we for once just be happy with a job well done?


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Noooo! Harvin is an amazing non-injury prone player who should never have been traded in the first place and the locker room stuff is just the media making things up as usual! Right? Where are those people? :confused:

Player demanding to be traded because of the worthless QB you drafted and the coaches and you trade him = Feather in cap? Psssffhhhhhh. No wonder so many people seem fine with Spielman.


You cant play both sides in one point dude lol


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Harvin-bad
Harvin fans-bad
Ponder-bad
Childress-bad
Frazier-bad
Spielman-bad


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I guess he punched Tate last year? I never heard that before today. Lots of stuff that makes it sound like he was just too big of a headache for seattle
http://vikingsterritory.com/2014/analys ... in-to-jets


The Jets just dumped gasoline all over poor Geno Smith.


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Last I heard Rex Ryan was spotted driving a black Escalade down I-90 to pick up Percy from the airport.


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Waiting to hear how Ponder was/is somehow blamed for Seattle dumping him :lol:

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Ricky looks pretty dam smart right now :wink: What a POS :shock:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... -they-did/

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Maybe the Vikes could trade AD to them too. We all know that AD loves him some Harvin :wink:
What a tool and to think about all of the "wannabe" armchair GM's that griped about the Vikes trading him.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... d-in-trade

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Allow me to translate.

Harvin-bad
Harvin fans-bad
Ponder-bad
Childress-bad
Frazier-bad
Spielman-bad


Sums it up. Two got fired. One lost his job and is a #3. The other just got traded again despite being an unstoppable weapon of mass yardage.

The other currently running a franchise into the ground, and possibly help cost a third head coach their job.

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As the quote above says, they bought high and sold higher. You don't see how that's a net positive for the organization, especially under those circumstances?


Obviously it's a net positive, my question is why it seems like someone is getting patted on the back for trading someone that refused to play for the team. This wasn't some brilliant move that came out of left field and worked out in the end. Harvin refused to stay, his value was higher at any point before he demanded a new contract or a trade...but the front office hung onto him until it was clear he was never playing for the Vikings again, and got what they could. Which was more than they spent, but likely less than they could have if they had moved him before he because the even bigger headache he was in the final months leading up to the trade.


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Obviously it's a net positive, my question is why it seems like someone is getting patted on the back for trading someone that refused to play for the team.


It's the wrong question because that's not why he's being patted on the back. He's being patted on the back for the compensation, the net positive, not simply for trading Harvin.


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IDC. I am still a Harvin fan. The guy is an explosive player. I think he will work out well in New York. There will obviously be an adjustment period, but I fully expect him to return to form.

It sounds as though Harvin has something wrong mentally. He almost sounds like Brandon Marshall in that he displays signs of Borderline personality. He could just be overly aggressive. I think it might be time for someone to intervene and help get him to a psychologist.

At the end of the day, I am glad we have Cordarrelle Patterson, but Harvin was a force. He still hasn't fully reached his potential. I wish him well and hope he gets some help.

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IDC. I am still a Harvin fan. The guy is an explosive player. I think he will work out well in New York. There will obviously be an adjustment period, but I fully expect him to return to form.

It sounds as though Harvin has something wrong mentally. He almost sounds like Brandon Marshall in that he displays signs of Borderline personality. He could just be overly aggressive. I think it might be time for someone to intervene and help get him to a psychologist.

At the end of the day, I am glad we have Cordarrelle Patterson, but Harvin was a force. He still hasn't fully reached his potential. I wish him well and hope he gets some help.

Yeah we have Rhodes and Mckinnon from that trade, both of who are starters with great upside.
However do you imagine that #### Harvin will get along with Rex. :?

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Obviously it's a net positive, my question is why it seems like someone is getting patted on the back for trading someone that refused to play for the team.


It's the wrong question because that's not why he's being patted on the back. He's being patted on the back for the compensation, the net positive, not simply for trading Harvin.

How about turning that trade into Rhodes and Mckinnon.

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Kind of sad, I was one of the few who liked PH (think about it, who wouldn't want to throw something at Childress) but think Rick did a good job of unloading him. Sounds like PH has permanent roid rage. How in the heck can the Jets afford him?


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Noooo! Harvin is an amazing non-injury prone player who should never have been traded in the first place and the locker room stuff is just the media making things up as usual! Right? Where are those people? :confused:


I'll take my lumps as I consider myself "one of those people" you are referring to, although in my defense A) Percy was (and is) a great talent and a productive player when he's on the field and B) the media has been known to embellish stories at times. Obviously, as more data points become available, the evidence shifts, and in this case, it appears to have shifted entirely in your favor. That still doesn't mean it's fitting to condemn someone without knowing the entire story, which, when Percy was traded to the Seahawks, wasn't available to any of us beyond those media accounts. It is equally important to note that many of Harvin's teammates on the Vikings at the time were very supportive of him.

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Player demanding to be traded because of the worthless QB you drafted and the coaches and you trade him = Feather in cap? Psssffhhhhhh. No wonder so many people seem fine with Spielman.


Spielman gets credit for maximizing the value of a player everyone apparently knew wanted out and who would come available in FA the following year IIRC. Harvin was taken with a 1st, and in trade Spielman got a 1st, 3rd, and a 7th IIRC. That's not a bad ROI for a problematic player IMHO.


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We got the better end of this deal for dure but we need
to fix our OL before we do anything not to mention Peterson
might never play in the league again ... If he does a few years
..what 34-35 when he comes out or close ...

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IDC. I am still a Harvin fan. The guy is an explosive player. I think he will work out well in New York. There will obviously be an adjustment period, but I fully expect him to return to form.

It sounds as though Harvin has something wrong mentally. He almost sounds like Brandon Marshall in that he displays signs of Borderline personality. He could just be overly aggressive. I think it might be time for someone to intervene and help get him to a psychologist.

At the end of the day, I am glad we have Cordarrelle Patterson, but Harvin was a force. He still hasn't fully reached his potential. I wish him well and hope he gets some help.


I hope he gets some help too. He clearly has some serious issues that are going to continue to make his life--especially his post football life--really difficult for him to manage. Hoping he can turn it around.


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wow, 6th rd pick. Could become a 4th. Seattle just wanted him out of the building.


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wow, 6th rd pick. Could become a 4th. Seattle just wanted him out of the building.


Clearly...


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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... on-sunday/

"As the shocking trade of Percy Harvin to the Jets continues to dominate the NFL news cycle, reports from Seattle indicate that the Seahawks simply decided they couldn’t tolerate Harvin’s misbehavior, which included multiple fights with teammates and a refusal to play late in Sunday’s loss to the Cowboys"

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/10/18/reports-harvin-fought-teammates-took-himself-out-on-sunday/

"As the shocking trade of Percy Harvin to the Jets continues to dominate the NFL news cycle, reports from Seattle indicate that the Seahawks simply decided they couldn’t tolerate Harvin’s misbehavior, which included multiple fights with teammates and a refusal to play late in Sunday’s loss to the Cowboys"


Harvin is obviously a prima donna. People tried to use his dissatisfaction with the Vikes during a season in which they made a run into the playoffs as some sort of indictment of Ponder or Frazier (heck, some are still at it) but he was traded to the best team in football, won a Super Bowl and it's still all about him. It was always all about him.

As others have said, hopefully he'll get some help, get his act together and make the most of his talent because right now, he's just earning a rep as a locker room cancer.


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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/10/18/reports-harvin-fought-teammates-took-himself-out-on-sunday/

"As the shocking trade of Percy Harvin to the Jets continues to dominate the NFL news cycle, reports from Seattle indicate that the Seahawks simply decided they couldn’t tolerate Harvin’s misbehavior, which included multiple fights with teammates and a refusal to play late in Sunday’s loss to the Cowboys"


Harvin is obviously a prima donna. People tried to use his dissatisfaction with the Vikes during a season in which they made a run into the playoffs as some sort of indictment of Ponder or Frazier (heck, some are still at it) but he was traded to the best team in football, won a Super Bowl and it's still all about him. It was always all about him.

As others have said, hopefully he'll get some help, get his act together and make the most of his talent because right now, he's just earning a rep as a locker room cancer.


"When the initial Harvin trade was made. . .and, given what John Schneider got in return for Harvin, how much of a genius does Rick Spielman look like right now. . .there were many people that tried to frame it as the Vikings "choosing" Ponder and Frazier over Harvin. But, as the Seahawks found out, that's not the case. The Vikings "chose" the Minnesota Vikings over a whining, pouting malcontent that thought he was bigger than the Minnesota Vikings, just the way he's thought he was bigger and more important than every team he's played on going back to high school. The Seahawks belatedly, and expensively, wound up choosing the same thing."
As I said, what a tool :roll:
http://www.dailynorseman.com/2014/10/18 ... rvin-trade

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when we trade Harvin I Said both Harvin and Rice were hop heads and would both be out of the NFL within 3 years. Well Rice retired and now Terrible percy is traded again cause he can't get along. I have 2 seasons to go but harvin will quit too. He's a problem child troublemaker, no surprise to me he got traded


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Waiting to hear how Ponder was/is somehow blamed for Seattle dumping him :lol:



Wow this Ponder love never ends with you. Do You Love him? It's Just like That Guy's man love for Bernard Berrian


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Waiting to hear how Ponder was/is somehow blamed for Seattle dumping him :lol:



Wow this Ponder love never ends with you. Do You Love him? It's Just like That Guy's man love for Bernard Berrian


I like and respect Ponder, and while he has PLENTY of faults on the football field, I don't see why its necessary to manufacture criticisms of him that have no basis in reality, as has often been done, such as blaming him for Harvin wanting to leave. The guy (Ponder) will probably be out of football within 2 years and wind up calling college football games or something. Give him a break.


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Waiting to hear how Ponder was/is somehow blamed for Seattle dumping him :lol:



Wow this Ponder love never ends with you. Do You Love him? It's Just like That Guy's man love for Bernard Berrian


There is a handy foe button if it bothers you enough to comment/complain about it.

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Further info about Harvin and his time in Seattle;

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... tate-fight

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"Something did go on at the Super Bowl that a lot of fans don't know about," Robinson said. "There was an altercation in the locker room between Percy Harvin and Golden Tate. It saddens me because I was a leader on that team and to know that this information got out -- usually Pete Carroll-coached teams, this type of thing stays in-house. There was an issue, I physically broke it up, I was there, you would have to ask those guys what they were arguing about, I'm not at liberty to talk about it."


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It also in part explains why the Seahawks were so eager to jettison a player they gave up multiple draft picks for and gave a big contract to, but got back merely a conditional sixth-rounder for in the trade.


That's the first time I saw anything about it only being a 6th rounder? I heard 2nd-4th rounder, I thought.

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But the Golden Tate situation isn't the only one to come out of Seattle. Wide receiver Doug Baldwin also acknowledged an altercation involving Harvin and himself, per NFL Media's Steve Wyche. When asked if such incidents could have eventually been smoothed over and the team could have continued with Harvin, Baldwin said it was Carroll's and management's decision to trade Harvin.

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Yep reports of Locker room fights and other team destroying behavior coming out ...

Another amazing talented wide out that can't figure out how blessed is and is a total A hole :nono:

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I don't believe any of it! Media fabrications!

Remember how bad Spielman wanted the guy, along with the wide receiver coach, and others on the staff/front office, and Childress had to be convinced to the extent of traveling down there and going for a ride with him? I ripped Childress a new one for not going along with it sooner, man was I wrong about that one! What a clown this guy is. Long past blaming concussions, Harvin is clearly mentally ill. Guess Childress was on to something!


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I don't believe any of it! Media fabrications!

Remember how bad Spielman wanted the guy, along with the wide receiver coach, and others on the staff/front office, and Childress had to be convinced to the extent of traveling down there and going for a ride with him? I ripped Childress a new one for not going along with it sooner, man was I wrong about that one! What a clown this guy is. Long past blaming concussions, Harvin is clearly mentally ill. Guess Childress was on to something!


Childress had just finished dealing with TO in Philadelphia and probably wanted no part of a diva WR with a personality disorder.

So far, its one thing that is refreshing about Patterson. He seems like more of a team player to this point.


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We shouldn't be TOOO smug here in Viking -land, Its hard to argue that WE have a WR any better then Percy, even WITH all his warts.


Patterson is still learning, we will be happy with this in a couple years.

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