'Nuff said...

They won't win many games with their defense giving up 500+ yards against opponents this year.

look at the two cheater teams once the NFL stepped in and them play honest 0-3 saints

1-2 Pats I quess its harder to win when you have to play fair huh ?

I hope both these teams suffer 50 years of NFL sewers

Spygate for a decade, nothing happened. Bounty-Gate that got numerous players injured. This is what those scumbags deserve.

Josh McDaniels also steals signs and plays from tapes and practices and was fined for it. I guarantee those scumbag Broncos did it with McDaniels and are still doing it.

Are you talking about Bountygate?

I can just about guarantee that in most NFL games going back to the inception of the league, someone has tried to injure an opposing player. The Saints scandal involves having a monetary pool for causing such injuries. It doesn't change what happens on the field. Do you think Jared Allen and Kevin Williams would be any more effective if they had a $100,000 bet on who could knock a QB out of a game first? I don't.

Sure they would. KWill hit 'em high, JA hit 'em low. Greenway hit him late when he has already handed the ball off. Then the other QB would be out of the game and/or injured and not as effective.

Funny quote from Jimmy 5 Timeouts Harbaugh...

On Cheating:


24/13 baby.

I am for sure happy they are 0-3. #1 overall pick? Doubtful but man it would be hilarious especially since Brees was a pansy w/ money talks.

i hope vilma drags this out in the lagal system and keeps this in the media. bad karma.

None of the "expert" prognosticators picked the Saints vs. the Packers this weekend, I figured at least they'd get a vote so this will make them 0-4 if they lose.

I hate both of these teams but i rather see green bay lose.

You've got to hope for the perfect weekend, the Psycho-Hillbilly Freakout: A Vikings win within division and a Packers loss making them 1-X.



Can we just hope for lots of injuries for both of these dirty, whining teams? I know I am.

How is GB a dirty team?

They attack our players' feet with their groins.

Green Bay is dirty because they get ALL THE CALLS. When the league wants the Packers to succeed, the refs get orders from on high to swallow the whistle. Packers are perenially tops in the league with offensive penalties, most notable cut and chop blocking and blatant holding, but the year the Packers won the Super Bowl they were the least offensively penalized team in the league.

Riiiight. We've all seen the Packers calling and "America's Team" garbage that ruins games. There was a game recently, Sunday night where...

Packers committed 3 blocks in the back on a long return and it was upheld. League acknowledged this.
Visanthe Shiancoe caught a touchdown and it was waived off after review
Not placing the ball on the 2 yard line on a Packers touchdown
Incorrectly stating that Peterson had not crossed the plane with the football. Sure, we got the touchdown one play afterwards, but still. This is the 4th time now where the refs incorrectly got a call regarding a touchdown that benefited the Packers!
The infamous botched call for Harvin on the touchdown.

Just in one game the Packers benefited 5 times on bad touchdown calls. Of course the league did the CYA and apologized for missing multiple TD calls but hey, too late. Packers already were the beneficiaries of potentially 42 points worth of bad call swing.

Does that order come from Roger Goodell, the Worshipful Master of the nearest Freemason lodge, the Bilderberg group or a secret cabal of ultra powerful Packer fans?

I agree Packers get a handful of calls their way...but dirty...? I dunno. Annoying...oh god yes.

Brees knows he has to win this game otherwise they are pretty much done for Playoffs. ATL is RUNNING away with the south and they better game plan for a tough game. GB is pretty beatable right now but if NO D is going to play like they have been... Say hello to 0-4

LOL... I see. Bastards.

No, but referees do get orders to look at teams for penalties or not call as many penalties. Like I said, NBA refs attested to this in a court of law on many occasions.
I think refs are told things by higher ups like "Vikings players commit lots of holding penalties in red zone situations" and even when they DON'T the idea is in the ref's heads so they ring the Vikings up on red zone holding penalties because the Vikings "commit lots of them."

I think that's considerably different than swallowing their whistles because the league has instructed them to make sure a particular team wins.

dirty refs.

Either way it doesn't make the Packers a dirty team. The team isn't the one making/ignoring the calls.

As an aside to all this ... believing as you do that the NFL is actively rigging games how do you continue to watch? I just can't imagine it being enjoyable for you if you're looking at it that way.

1. Not every game is rigged.

2. I'm a rabid pro wrestling fan. just so long as I get a good match I don't care.
I know a 10 billion dollar a year industry wouldn't leave it all to the players. So long as it isn't egregious, like
the Packers/Seattle, 49timeouters/Vikings, DirtyRottenPlayerCripples/Vikings or 2010 Packers/Vikings I don't care.
I feel like I watch enough matches that are "shoot" matches as well. There isn't much point to rigging Vikes/Jags.
This is one of the reasons why I am thrilled this team has no Thursday or Monday Night games. You know the Vikes
usually "job" and lose those matches, especially if they are the road team. Any game that is "good ratings" or has lots of money
potential, I am suspicious of.

[quote="Hunter Morrow"]1. Not every game is rigged.

2. I'm a rabid pro wrestling fan. just so long as I get a good match I don't care.
I know a 10 billion dollar a year industry wouldn't leave it all to the players.

They have little if any need to meddle at this point. The sport practically sells itself and the stories create themselves. The Super Bowl gets huge ratings and is watched around the world no matter who plays in it.

Jim

0-4.

Goodell dat.