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dead_poet wrote:
Huh?
In 2015 he played in all 14 games and had 86 receptions for 1,288 yards and 11 touchdowns.
That's poor?
I can tell you're used to watching Big 10 ball! Doctson put up bigger numbers playing 2/3 of the season this year. Coleman had 20 TDs! It is all relative. Texas Viking - I was going to respond to you in the FA thread, but I felt a response here was more appropriate.Texas Vike wrote:
Even so, I didn't realize Shepard's numbers were so good for 2015. They certainly weren't poor. I saw a highlights video that showed only 51 receptions for two years in a row and less than a 1000 yards. The video must have been from after his 2014 season. I watched Shepard in 4 or so OU games this year. He didn't jump off the screen like some of the other WRs on the field in the Big 12.
Interesting to hear from a Coleman backer. The kid's put up crazy numbers and I know from watching him that he is more talented than previous Baylor WRs. But apropos of SPARQ scores, it looks like Doctson is the highest rated WR this year:HardcoreVikesFan wrote: Texas Viking - I was going to respond to you in the FA thread, but I felt a response here was more appropriate.
To me, Corey Coleman is the BEST receiver in this draft. He has the speed, athleticism, and production. I know a lot of his production came against inferior defenses, but, his best game of the season, in my opinion, was probably the game against Ok. State. He only had 5 catches and 77 yards, but he also added 21 rushing yards on three carries. He showed during that game he could make the tough catches against a top defensive team. I have a personal anecdote about Coleman too, but, I believe that it would incorrect for me to share it at this time.
If this team really values analytics and athleticism, to me, Coleman will be the wide receiver taken at 23 (if they are indeed intending to draft a receiver). I am not sure what his SPARQ score was, but it should be high. I know this team values the SPARQ score come draft day.
But there is this, so you might end up being right:Excluding approximate results, the top 5 Combine WR SPARQ results belonged to Josh Doctson, Devon Cajuste, Chris Moore, Marquez North, and Trevor Davis.
The rankings can be found here:Corey Coleman day will have to wait until the Baylor pro day. I have not lost the faith.
Cajuste interests me. He was faster than I thought he might be, and has some characteristics that could be valuable.Excluding approximate results, the top 5 Combine WR SPARQ results belonged to Josh Doctson, Devon Cajuste, Chris Moore, Marquez North, and Trevor Davis.
I'm told former #TCU WR Josh Doctson has workouts and/or visits scheduled with the #Vikings, #Browns and #Bengals.
I'm surprised you would say that after the season the Packers had in 2015. It seemed like their lack of depth at WR really hurt them.Jordysghost wrote:WR are a dime a dozen, if you go with one in the first round, you better hope he is something special.
fiestavike wrote: I'm surprised you would say that after the season the Packers had in 2015. It seemed like their lack of depth at WR really hurt them.
No, our massive pile of injuries to the WR core hurt us.fiestavike wrote: I'm surprised you would say that after the season the Packers had in 2015. It seemed like their lack of depth at WR really hurt them.
Which further supports my statement that WRs are a dime a dozen.Texas Vike wrote:
Furthermore, the Pack has done well consistently drafting WRs in the early rounds (especially the 2nd). Over the last decade they made a genuine commitment to drafting the position and it showed on the field.
I'm not sure there's enough data there to make that sweeping generalization. Take a look at the link below where it's pretty clear you "hit" or have better productive value on WRs higher in the draft (rounds 1 (back half), 2, 3 and to an extent 7th as well). Rounds 4, 5, & 6 are particularly terrible). If you're talking "hit rate" in general, your odds go down the further you go in the draft (unsurprisingly). There's a pretty big jump down in all positions (receivers in particular) after round 2.Jordysghost wrote:Which further supports my statement that WRs are a dime a dozen.
Im not opposed to a first round pick at WR, but he has to have a special kind of skill set that doesn't come along all to often. You can find quality WRs anywhere in the draft on a rather consistent basis
http://3sigmaathlete.com/2015/03/31/pos ... -drafting/After the first 40 or so selections of the draft’s third day, the offensive skill position players are just about equivalent to priority undrafted free agents.
I must have misunderstood. I agree injuries hurt the Packers. That's what I was saying. Especially to Jordy Nelson. I think the drop off after him is pretty massive, although Adams and Montgomery could improve, I don't find either one scary at this point. That's why I thought it was odd to say that WRs are a dime a dozen. There seemed to be a steep drop off with the loss of nelson.Jordysghost wrote: No, our massive pile of injuries to the WR core hurt us.
Jordy was out for the year, Cobb missed significant time and played all year with a joint ac sprain Adams missed significant time and played most the year on an ankle injury, Montgomery missed nearly the entire year on an injury, that is our starting FOUR WRs, what the hell us would have happened? What team can survive losing their four top WRs? (This is ignoring our O line injuries coumpounding onto this problem)
If you think the Packers depth at WR is lacking you are going to be sorely dissapointed, do you remember that herculean effort by the Packers WRs at the end of the divisional playoff game? You realize that was with our 5th and 6th WRs taking up the role of number 1 and number 2 on account of injury, we were litterally that thin, Nelson, Cobb, Adams, Montgomery, all out.
Im not trying to be confrontational but I seriously doubt your entire healthy stable of WRs could do against the Cards secondary what our 5th and 6th WR did when thrust into starter role.
I think that is more a product of Nelson being one of the better WRs in the league then anything, I mean, most teams with a player like Jordy don't have a guy on the same level on the other side.fiestavike wrote: I must have misunderstood. I agree injuries hurt the Packers. That's what I was saying. Especially to Jordy Nelson. I think the drop off after him is pretty massive, although Adams and Montgomery could improve, I don't find either one scary at this point. That's why I thought it was odd to say that WRs are a dime a dozen. There seemed to be a steep drop off with the loss of nelson.