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We may move this over to Vikings Talk on Thursday but for now I'll keep it here.

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@SportsCenter Browns offer two 1st-round picks to Titans for No. 2 overall selection, where they would plan to take Marcus Mariota. (via @PatMcManamon)

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@ClaytonESPN Two first round picks from the Browns to the Titans is clearly not enough to spark a trade for Mariota. Browns would need another No. 1

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@ClaytonESPN The Titans said yesterday they had only 16 first-round grades. That means at No. 19 or No. 20, they would be taking a second-rounder.

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@ClaytonESPN If most teams only have 16 first-round grades on players, this is going to be a wild draft. Sixteen is small number. Could mean more trades.

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@SportsCenter Browns offer two 1st-round picks to Titans for No. 2 overall selection, where they would plan to take Marcus Mariota. (via @PatMcManamon)

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@ClaytonESPN Two first round picks from the Browns to the Titans is clearly not enough to spark a trade for Mariota. Browns would need another No. 1


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Eagles are shopping ILB Mychal Kendricks, brother of Eric Kendricks. Asking price is reportedly a 2nd round pick. Mychal is bigger and faster than his little brother. Mychal ran a 4.47/40 at his combine; Eric ran a 4.61.

I know there are lots of fans here who like Eric Kendricks in the 2nd round (and maybe even trading down in the first to take him in the 1st).

If you like Eric Kendricks in the 2nd (if he's still on the board) ... wouldn't it be better to give a 2nd to Philly to get his bigger and fast brother?


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Eagles are shopping ILB Mychal Kendricks, brother of Eric Kendricks. Asking price is reportedly a 2nd round pick. Mychal is bigger and faster than his little brother. Mychal ran a 4.47/40 at his combine; Eric ran a 4.61.

I know there are lots of fans here who like Eric Kendricks in the 2nd round (and maybe even trading down in the first to take him in the 1st).

If you like Eric Kendricks in the 2nd (if he's still on the board) ... wouldn't it be better to give a 2nd to Philly to get his bigger and fast brother?


Depending on his calf, maybe. But that would decrease ammo on draft day. I'd pull the trigger on a third or third and change, though. Rick loves his picks, though, so I'd be surprised if he pulled the trigger. Kendricks would need an extension, too. But coming off injury it could come at a discount.

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I like Mychal Kendricks a lot. He would be a great fit in our defense. He would definitely be a better option than any third round pick or lower.

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My 3 predictions for this draft:

1. WRs are totally dependent on the QBs to make them look good. I don't buy into the hype that 3 WR will be taken in the top 15. I also do not buy into the hype that Cooper, White and Parker are so much better then the rest of the WR field.

2. As I understand, many NFL scouts see Brandon Scherff as a Guard and not an NFL Tackle. I can see him falling out of the first round all together.

3. I see a team desperate for an elite corner trading into the top 10 to select Waynes out of fear the Vikings will grab him at 11.


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My 3 predictions for this draft:

1. WRs are totally dependent on the QBs to make them look good. I don't buy into the hype that 3 WR will be taken in the top 15. I also do not buy into the hype that Cooper, White and Parker are so much better then the rest of the WR field.

2. As I understand, many NFL scouts see Brandon Scherff as a Guard and not an NFL Tackle. I can see him falling out of the first round all together.

3. I see a team desperate for an elite corner trading into the top 10 to select Waynes out of fear the Vikings will grab him at 11.


Even if Scherff is a guard in the NFL there is ZERO chance he falls out of round one. He was the Outland trophy winner this past season. Guards still in the first round.

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How far can La'el Collins drop?

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3. Four different teams' execs told me that La'el Collins -- unfairly or not-- is 'undraftable' until he's fully exonerated from incident.


A few days ago he was a lock to go in the first round. Now you've got multiple teams saying he's completely off their board.

I don't think there's a lot of GMs that are willing to take the PR hit of drafting a guy involved in a murder investigation. (and of course the potential black eye if he ends up involved in any way). Even if Collins has an alibi ... that doesn't clear him (see Rae Carruth). Collins reportedly had agreed to submit to a paternity test next week but it's unclear if that was voluntary or under a court order.

There is no way teams will be able to get the information they need to clarify this situation before the end of the draft (Collins still hasn't talked with the BR police).


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How far can La'el Collins drop?

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3. Four different teams' execs told me that La'el Collins -- unfairly or not-- is 'undraftable' until he's fully exonerated from incident.


A few days ago he was a lock to go in the first round. Now you've got multiple teams saying he's completely off their board.

I don't think there's a lot of GMs that are willing to take the PR hit of drafting a guy involved in a murder investigation. (and of course the potential black eye if he ends up involved in any way). Even if Collins has an alibi ... that doesn't clear him (see Rae Carruth). Collins reportedly had agreed to submit to a paternity test next week but it's unclear if that was voluntary or under a court order.

There is no way teams will be able to get the information they need to clarify this situation before the end of the draft (Collins still hasn't talked with the BR police).


If he goes undrafted and is then cleared later how will that work, anybody know? Is he free to sign with any team at any salary?

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Pseudo Everything wrote:
How far can La'el Collins drop?

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3. Four different teams' execs told me that La'el Collins -- unfairly or not-- is 'undraftable' until he's fully exonerated from incident.


A few days ago he was a lock to go in the first round. Now you've got multiple teams saying he's completely off their board.

I don't think there's a lot of GMs that are willing to take the PR hit of drafting a guy involved in a murder investigation. (and of course the potential black eye if he ends up involved in any way). Even if Collins has an alibi ... that doesn't clear him (see Rae Carruth). Collins reportedly had agreed to submit to a paternity test next week but it's unclear if that was voluntary or under a court order.

There is no way teams will be able to get the information they need to clarify this situation before the end of the draft (Collins still hasn't talked with the BR police).


If he goes undrafted and is then cleared later how will that work, anybody know? Is he free to sign with any team at any salary?


According to Hasan, he's limited by the rookie wage scale. "essentially a team will have spent almost all of its rookie pool, so he'll get paid like a high-priced UDFA, which is low."

http://overthecap.com/draft/

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According to Hasan, he's limited by the rookie wage scale. "essentially a team will have spent almost all of its rookie pool, so he'll get paid like a high-priced UDFA, which is low."

http://overthecap.com/draft/


Hmm ... could he sit out a season and reenter the draft? Or be treated like a FA next year instead of a rookie? Or does rookie just mean your first year in the league?

I don't know much about the guy, did he graduate or could he go back to school? Is that even possible after you enter the draft?

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Hmm ... could he sit out a season and reenter the draft? Or be treated like a FA next year instead of a rookie? Or does rookie just mean your first year in the league?


Good questions. I don't know. Depending on how this all shakes out he may need a year to get his life in order anyway (rumors are he's taking a paternity test to see if the child that survived is his). I think he can re-enter the draft. Isn't that what Bo Jackson essentially did after he was "drafted" by Tampa Bay? Of course there's a difference between getting drafted and not reporting and not getting drafted at all. It sounds like if he goes undrafted he will have the option where he wants to go as an UDFA but there will be limited funds available for a team to sign him based on the available rookie pool.

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I don't know much about the guy, did he graduate or could he go back to school? Is that even possible after you enter the draft?


I don't know. I'm pretty sure he could go back to school if he wants if he didn't graduate. I'm not sure if he'd be eligible to play football if he already declared for the draft, though.

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According to Hasan, he's limited by the rookie wage scale. "essentially a team will have spent almost all of its rookie pool, so he'll get paid like a high-priced UDFA, which is low."

http://overthecap.com/draft/


Hmm ... could he sit out a season and reenter the draft? Or be treated like a FA next year instead of a rookie? Or does rookie just mean your first year in the league?

I don't know much about the guy, did he graduate or could he go back to school? Is that even possible after you enter the draft?


I wonder if he could enter the supplemental draft. He's already entered into the draft so maybe not but I don't know if exceptions can be made.


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Funny you should ask...

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Funny you should ask...

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He might be better off just going undrafted. I think he could then sign with any team for whatever they would pay him. Usually those guys don't get big money because they're lesser prospects, but a legit 1st round talent could cash in pretty good if there's a bidding war. I'm not sure, but I believe he wouldn't be subject to the rookie wage scale as an Undrafted Rookie Free Agent.


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@SeifertESPN Per Fox Sports, LSU OL La'el Collins wants to enter supplemental draft. CBA limits supplmtl to players who were ineligible for regular draft

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I think he's screwed. Not sure if there can be a "bidding war" for him, either. But should be able to pick where he plays. Somebody's probably going to get a steal once this is all concluded and he's cleared.

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Also, he can't go back to school and enter next year's draft since he already has an agent.

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Ouch. Red flag.

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I think he's screwed. Not sure if there can be a "bidding war" for him, either. But should be able to pick where he plays. Somebody's probably going to get a steal once this is all concluded and he's cleared.


As a football player I think La'el (weird first name) Collins is every bit as good as Brandon Scherff. Wouldn't be surprised if multiple teams had Collins rated higher just because he plays with more of a nasty disposition. Off the field, Scherff is pretty much a choir boy and one of those high character guys you do not have to worry about. Collins ... well ... who knows.

The one thing that doesn't seem to add up for me is Collins' relative silence about his situation. Why isn't he holding a press conference and telling anyone who wants to listen that he's completely innocent and had no role whatsoever with the murder of his former girlfriend. With millions of dollars at stake you'd think he would be proclaiming his innocence in the most forceful and loudest terms possible. Yesterday the media in Chicago asked him about this and he declined to say anything. That seems kind of fishy to me. If you're innocent why wouldn't you take questions about it? Maybe his attorney told him to stay silent but that seems like exactly the wrong strategy.

I hope it turns out that Collins had nothing to do with the murder. It's just about the last thing the NFL needs after Ray Rice, Aaron Hernandez, et al. If Collins is innocent then what's happening to him now is a travesty.


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As a football player I think La'el (weird first name) Collins is every bit as good as Brandon Scherff. Wouldn't be surprised if multiple teams had Collins rated higher just because he plays with more of a nasty disposition.


Have you watched Scherff? He's a nasty beast, too.

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The one thing that doesn't seem to add up for me is Collins' relative silence about his situation. Why isn't he holding a press conference and telling anyone who wants to listen that he's completely innocent and had no role whatsoever with the murder of his former girlfriend. With millions of dollars at stake you'd think he would be proclaiming his innocence in the most forceful and loudest terms possible. Yesterday the media in Chicago asked him about this and he declined to say anything. That seems kind of fishy to me. If you're innocent why wouldn't you take questions about it? Maybe his attorney told him to stay silent but that seems like exactly the wrong strategy.


It's not unusual. Most lawyers advise their clients to not say anything during an ongoing investigation. The fact that it's coming out that he's not going to be questioned now and he's not a suspect is good news for him though. He apparently has a pretty strong alibi. Unfortunately I don't think holding a press conference declaring his innocence is going to matter any to a team. They'll likely want the police to confirm he's not being charged and in the clear.

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I think he's screwed. Not sure if there can be a "bidding war" for him, either. But should be able to pick where he plays. Somebody's probably going to get a steal once this is all concluded and he's cleared.


I apologize for not clarifying. I meant when/if he goes undrafted and he's cleared by the police, there could be quite a few bids for him. With him being a first round talent on the open market as a rookie free agent, he would be fair game for any team to put in an offer. Again I'm not sure, but I don't believe there are restrictions on what an undrafted rookie free agent can sign for.

Granted this predicated on him being cleared, and even then I believe it's going to be quite a while before this settles.


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You can't tell me that if he is not picked by the 7th round, that some team that doesn't really know what else they want would not take a chance on him. If it turned out he is guilty of something, they can say. Hey, all the reports from the Police and information being shared to the public indicated he was not even a suspect. He would be let go from the team, and probably wouldn't hear much about it. If the likely scenerio turns out that he is innocent of murder, and is being questioned for any information that might lead in right direction, OR because he is possibly the baby daddy, then he stays on the team and you get a 1st round talent for the price of a 6th/7th round pick. I don't see all 32 teams passing on him.


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It's not unusual. Most lawyers advise their clients to not say anything during an ongoing investigation. The fact that it's coming out that he's not going to be questioned now and he's not a suspect is good news for him though. He apparently has a pretty strong alibi. Unfortunately I don't think holding a press conference declaring his innocence is going to matter any to a team. They'll likely want the police to confirm he's not being charged and in the clear.


The police (no matter the jurisdiction) almost never say someone is a suspect. You either get charged or you don't. In Collins' case the Baton Rouge police have said they want to talk to him. It's been reported (without any quotes) that the BRPD have said that Collins is not a suspect but I would be very surprised if the BRPD has offically said this (if they have why aren't there any quotes from the BRPD?). It goes against standard police protocol. The BRPD are early in their investigation.

Collins may have an airtight alibi but for the time being that would only prove that he didn't pull the trigger. It doesn't prove that he was not involved. This could turn out to be a contract hit (emphasis on could) akin to the Rae Carruth incident. You can't rule it in; but you also can't rule it out at this point either.

I agree that most attorneys are going to tell their clients not to speak to the media when the police want to question them about a murder; they would be negligent if they didn't. This is a different situation. If Collins is telling his attorney that he's completely innocent and had no involvement in the crime, then it seems it would be in his best interests to make himself available to the media given the millions of dollars at stake. If it should turn out that he wasn't being honest with his attorney then that's on him.


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You can't tell me that if he is not picked by the 7th round, that some team that doesn't really know what else they want would not take a chance on him. If it turned out he is guilty of something, they can say. Hey, all the reports from the Police and information being shared to the public indicated he was not even a suspect. He would be let go from the team, and probably wouldn't hear much about it. If the likely scenerio turns out that he is innocent of murder, and is being questioned for any information that might lead in right direction, OR because he is possibly the baby daddy, then he stays on the team and you get a 1st round talent for the price of a 6th/7th round pick. I don't see all 32 teams passing on him.



I don't either, for the reasons you suggest. Somebody will draft him, it's probably just a question of when.


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Ouch. Red flag.

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Hah that's awesome, wish more coaches would do that.


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