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2015 draft class: RBs

Post by dead_poet » Wed Mar 25, 2015 2:47 pm

Interesting analysis of this year's class in regards to SPARQ scores. Nebraska's Ameer Abdullah produced the best SPARQ score of any RB in the 2015 NFL Draft. Abdullah posted a score of 142.5, which places him in the 95.6 percentile of NFL players. SPARQ is a formula that factors in each Combine/pro day test along with weight. Northern Iowa's David Johnson was second with a score of 139.7, placing him in the 93.1 percentile. Both were well ahead of their peers.

http://3sigmaathlete.com/2015/03/15/pos ... ning-back/

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Then, for fun, read this about McKinnon (whose score is crazy): http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/4 ... thleticism
Jerick McKinnon, RB, Minnesota, 147.5 pSPARQ

Name HT WT AL 40 10 SS 3C BP VJ BJ pSPARQ simScore
Jerick McKinnon 5.72 209 30.25 4.37 1.52 4.12 6.83 34 40.5 11.00 147.5 N/A

No other running back has an athletic profile similar (i.e., over 80) to that of Jerick McKinnon. Backs with McKinnon’s speed, lower-body explosiveness and upper-body strength just don’t exist. He’s truly unique.

He’s also a freak. An average NFL skill position player will ring in at around a 110 pSPARQ, a good athlete at 120, and very good at 130. Elite is about 140, and the 150+ range is reserved for Calvin Johnson, Vernon Davis, and a select few others. McKinnon’s 147.5 is one of the top scores among all running backs over the last 16 years.

An option quarterback at Georgia Southern, there’s certainly a fair amount for McKinnon to learn at the NFL level to become a running back. The transition isn’t guaranteed. But out of 1000+ RBs, my database shows that only 56 have recorded a sub-4.4 40-yard-dash at either the combine or their pro day. The top 6 pSPARQs from those 56 are: Willis McGahee (tests taken pre-ACL), Chris Johnson, Edgerrin James, Jamal Lewis, Reggie Bush and Jerick McKinnon. When you’re the kind of freak McKinnon is, you tend to do pretty well in the NFL.
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Post by Mercy Percy » Wed Mar 25, 2015 4:10 pm

This is awesome. I really like Mckinnon and think he can be a good RB in this league, Idk why people are saying he cant carry the load, hes extremely athletic I think his a lot bigger than most people think. Mckinnon is near 220 lbs... AD is also around 220 its just that Jerrick is 5'9
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Post by Cliff » Thu Mar 26, 2015 7:36 am

Mercy Percy wrote:This is awesome. I really like Mckinnon and think he can be a good RB in this league, Idk why people are saying he cant carry the load, hes extremely athletic I think his a lot bigger than most people think. Mckinnon is near 220 lbs... AD is also around 220 its just that Jerrick is 5'9
Because he hasn't proved that he can yet. He was injured during his first year after 113 attempts. One injury in one season doesn't mean a whole lot, but it makes some people more skeptical of his durability than others.
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Post by nightowl » Sat Mar 28, 2015 3:13 pm

Cliff wrote: Because he hasn't proved that he can yet. He was injured during his first year after 113 attempts. One injury in one season doesn't mean a whole lot, but it makes some people more skeptical of his durability than others.
Wasn't it a weight room injury though? Should that count against his durability the same as a football injury? If I recall correctly didn't the Vikes just switch to a free weight based program, I recall a thread here debating the difference between free weights and machines. One thing I remember that someone said free weights can cause more injuries during training.
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Post by DK Sweets » Sat Mar 28, 2015 6:29 pm

Free weights hit more muscles and require more balance, but machines are safer. That's what I learned in High School, anyways.
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Post by Cliff » Sun Mar 29, 2015 8:52 am

nightowl wrote: Wasn't it a weight room injury though? Should that count against his durability the same as a football injury? If I recall correctly didn't the Vikes just switch to a free weight based program, I recall a thread here debating the difference between free weights and machines. One thing I remember that someone said free weights can cause more injuries during training.
I don't count it against him very harshly personally but I was saying that is why some are worried about his durability.
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Post by dead_poet » Sun Mar 29, 2015 9:01 am

I don't count it against him at all. This wasn't a "heat of battle" on-field injury and from my research I haven't found any previous college injury (despite playing heavy snaps in a multitude of roles.). Until he starts missing practice or games due to on-field injuries I'm chalking this up to meatheading out or spotter error at the gym. He has the bulk to handle 20 carries/game IMO.
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Post by Cliff » Mon Mar 30, 2015 7:48 am

dead_poet wrote:I don't count it against him at all. This wasn't a "heat of battle" on-field injury and from my research I haven't found any previous college injury (despite playing heavy snaps in a multitude of roles.). Until he starts missing practice or games due to on-field injuries I'm chalking this up to meatheading out or spotter error at the gym. He has the bulk to handle 20 carries/game IMO.
That's why I don't weigh it very heavily ... but still, the guy had to have back surgery. I know it wasn't major, but you never know if that's the kind of thing that will flair back up.
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Post by dead_poet » Mon Mar 30, 2015 8:02 am

Cliff wrote: That's why I don't weigh it very heavily ... but still, the guy had to have back surgery. I know it wasn't major, but you never know if that's the kind of thing that will flair back up.
True. From that perspective it makes sense, even if it wasn't sustained on the field, it could have repercussions (though I'm not sure if whatever injury it was has a history of "flaring up" or if those that have the injury repaired typically don't experience any additional issues). Marshawn Lynch has been dealing with back issues for years (though you can hardly tell on the field).
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Post by Cliff » Mon Mar 30, 2015 8:28 am

Cliff wrote: That's why I don't weigh it very heavily ... but still, the guy had to have back surgery. I know it wasn't major, but you never know if that's the kind of thing that will flair back up.
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Post by dead_poet » Tue Apr 21, 2015 3:15 pm

Futures: Nebraska RB Ameer Abdullah
Like the 2008 class, there will be a lot of analysts comparing Abdullah's size, strength, and speed to his peers in the same class, but it only matters when determining where these players will be drafted. When it comes to NFL readiness, peer comparison within the draft class isn't as meaningful as if those skills translate to the NFL.

The 2008 running back class had 27 runners drafted by teams, and 11 of those backs had at least one productive season as a starter -- including Peyton Hillis, Tim Hightower, and Steve Slaton. Tashard Choice, Ryan Torain, and Justin Forsett were NFL-caliber backups.

If the 2015 class even approaches the talent level of the 2008 group, Abdullah could get lost in the mix because he's not a special athlete at first glance. However, don't count him out as a potential long-term starter in the NFL, because true football players who transcend the position are hard to find.
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Post by Pseudo Everything » Wed Apr 22, 2015 5:22 pm

DK Sweets wrote:Free weights hit more muscles and require more balance, but machines are safer. That's what I learned in High School, anyways.
Last year our new conditioning coach switched to free weights. Both Fusco and Loadholt tear their pectoral muscle. Coincidence?
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2015 draft class: RBs

Post by DK Sweets » Wed Apr 22, 2015 9:34 pm

Pseudo Everything wrote: Last year our new conditioning coach switched to free weights. Both Fusco and Loadholt tear their pectoral muscle. Coincidence?
I hadn't thought about that. It's definitely something interesting to watch moving forward, but I think it's too soon to draw any conclusions.
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