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Best and Worst Case Scenarios for Minnesota Vikings' Top 3 Picks

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Some Coleman commentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rRAFni ... t=1h33m54s

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Interesting stuff... thanks for the link.

As I listened to them talk about the limitations of various backs, it was hard not to think about how well Adrian Peterson does it all. :( If he's not a Viking this season, I'm sure going to miss watching him run for our team.

Anyway, I think they make a good point about fit. It's always important and one of the reasons I like Coleman is because I think he could fit well with the Vikes.


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Interesting stuff... thanks for the link.

As I listened to them talk about the limitations of various backs, it was hard not to think about how well Adrian Peterson does it all. :( If he's not a Viking this season, I'm sure going to miss watching him run for our team.

Anyway, I think they make a good point about fit. It's always important and one of the reasons I like Coleman is because I think he could fit well with the Vikes.


I remember his first preseason game, did a spin move then took it to the outside and finished by lowering his shoulder into the defender rather than run out of bounds. He's been special to watch from the start, this would certainly be a disappointing ending to his Viking career assuming it comes to fruition.


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Todd Gurley - RB - Bulldogs

NFL Media analyst Daniel Jeremiah says it's more likely that Georgia RB Todd Gurley goes in the top 10 than that he goes at the end of Round 1.

"I think he's more likely to go in the top 10 than he is to go in the bottom 10 of the first round," Jeremiah said. "More likely he's going to go in that 10 to pick 22. I have very little doubt he's going to be a first-round pick, it's just a matter of how high he'll go." Gurley (No. 13 on Jeremiah's board) and Melvin Gordon (No. 14) have both been invited to Chicago for the draft, as strong an indication as any that a player is first-round bound. "He's a special player," Jeremiah said of Gurley.
Source: NFL.com

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Kevin Johnson - DB - Demon Deacons

Per TFY Draft Insider's Tony Pauline, Wake Forest CB Kevin Johnson is one player the Packers are targeting in Round 1.

Pauline wrote that he was given this information "by several sources." We've heard Johnson's name officially attached to the Cowboys, Chargers, Falcons, Eagles, Patriots, Cardinals and Panthers, though there isn't a team that would deny his job application. Johnson is jockeying for draft position with Trae Waynes, Marcus Peters and Byron Jones.
Source: TFY Draft Inside


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Tevin Coleman - RB - Hoosiers

Indiana RB Tevin Coleman's forty times at his personal pro day ranged from the high 4.3's to the low 4.4s and he could go "much earlier than most expect," reports TFY Draft Insider's Tony Pauline.

"Some teams grade Coleman almost the equal to another Big Ten running back in the 2015 NFL Draft, Melvin Gordon of Wisconsin, and the opinion of many scouts is Coleman ranks as one of the top three backs in the draft," Pauline wrote. "There's also a belief the junior is not a very motivated player, which upon further investigation is wrong. Coleman has a quiet personality and, at times, has to have the conversation drawn from him." Hoosiers head coach Kevin Wilson is telling teams that Coleman works on the little things like film study and his introverted personality should not be mistaken for a lack of work ethic. Reps from 22 teams -- including RB coaches of the Jags, Cards, Cowboys and Colts -- were at Coleman's workout, with the Chargers intriguingly sending all of their offensive coaches. Coleman dined with the Texans Tuesday and is meeting with the Lions, Titans and Patriots Wednesday.
Source: Walter Football


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Eric Rowe - DB - Utes

TFY Draft Insider's Tony Pauline reports that "quite possibly no defensive back is moving up draft boards faster than" Utah DB Eric Rowe.

"There’s a feeling Rowe will end up in the second half of round one and won’t get past the 40th pick," Pauline wrote. "The teams I’m hearing highest on Rowe in round one include the Green Bay Packers and Philadelphia Eagles. The Eagles have doubled up on Rowe, that is worked him out and will bring him in for an official visit, as have the Detroit Lions, who believe Rowe can start at either safety or cornerback." Pauline says that a few teams, realizing that Rowe's stock is surging, are now in a predicament: "Teams who like Rowe but select late in the rounds face a dilemma as most realize if they don’t draft him with their initial selection he won’t be on the board when they’re called on the clock in round two. Teams love Rowe’s size, athleticism and versatility but also feel he’s a smart, coachable player. The New Orleans Saints, Tampa Bay Bucs and Oakland Raiders are also bringing Rowe in for a visit. The Atlanta Falcons are working him out in a few weeks.
Source: TFY Draft Insider

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Mario Edwards - DL - Seminoles

An NFL evaluator told CBS that he expects FSU DL Mario Edwards Jr. to go in Round 1.

"Why aren't any of you guys writing about Mario Edwards?" he said. "I look around the Internet at these mock drafts and I don't think I've seen him in the first round in one of them. He's not showing up in any of them. I think you're missing on him. He's going to surprise some people. I think he goes in the first round. In this [not overly talented] draft, he's definitely a first-rounder for me." Interestingly, CBS Sports' Jason La Canfora passed along that he thinks many other evaluators are playing coy and not talking about Edwards because they're hoping that he slides. "There was a dropoff across the board from that defense, and a lot of it I think was from losing their coordinator," another evaluator said. "He was the man. But if you look at some of those kids over the last two or three years, man, there are a lot of players there. I think Edwards and [Seminoles defensive tackle Eddie] Goldman are first-rounders." Concluded La Canfora: "
Source: CBS Sports

Note: Edwards just feels like a Zimmer guy. 6-foot-2 1/2, 272-pounds. I'm not saying taking him at 11, but if he slips to round 2, he could be a target to replace Robison in a couple of years.

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anyone have opinions on alvin dupree?


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anyone have opinions on alvin dupree?


I haven't watched much of him but he's apparently headed up draft boards. Here are a couple of resources:

Hangout with evaluators Matt Waldman and Jene Bramel:



And another report:

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BUD DUPREE: ATHLETICISM VS TECHNIQUE
Dupree is a bit of an enigma to me.

His jumps are unparalled. A vertical leap of 42 inches and a broad jump of 11-6 are frighteningly impressive. On tape his first step is laughably quick. His second and third step are blurry, even at half speed. It's a level of explosiveness that cannot be taught.

And it comes in a 6-4, 270 pound package.

But I watched every Kentucky defensive cutup I could find. On nearly every play in which Dupree destroyed an offensive tackle with his early explosiveness, he didn't get near the quarterback due to poor technique. He struggled terribly to dip his shoulder and use the proper footwork to turn the corner. There were times where he was even with the offensive tackle by his second step but wasn't moving toward the pocket until ten yards past the line of scrimmage.

I reached out on Twitter and asked, "Is edge rushing technique a learnable skill?" Two responses resonated with me.

First, Ryan Riddle, a successful former edge rusher, answered my question with one of his own. "Can you be taught to moonwalk respectably?" That's a variation of a something I use every day in lots of situations daily -- as a parent, as a coach, and mostly importantly as a pediatrician trying to decide whether a toddler has development delays -- "Can he?" or "Will he?" If your child cannot physically form words due to problem with his anatomy or because he has a larger issue like autism, there's a lot of work to be done to improve his speech. If your child has everything she needs to speak well and won't, you may see her blossom in another 3-6 months with continued teaching and encouragement. I don't know which category fits Dupree.

Second, Alen Dumonjic, who is one of the most underrated and underappreciated writers in the football industry, told me he likes to look at a player's feet and ankles. If a player can't get them turned, it's a sign their frame and joints may not support the flexibility needed to pull off a successful pure edge rush. That's not athleticism necessarily, but I wonder if it can be measured in the cone drills.

Dupree's short shuttle was 4.47. His three cone time was 7.49. That short shuttle time is in the 34th percentile. The three cone time is around the 10th percentile. And the three cone drill involves a turn.

Dupree is a #ForcePlayer (see sidebar) on the strength of his impressive jump times and size. I'd bet on him to be successful in the NFL. Even if he never learns an elite edge rush, his first steps will set up a speed-to-power move and other counter moves he can win with.

Whatever happens, he's going to be one of the most interesting edge rushers to track in years.

To see video examples of these impressive attributes and why I'm concerned, check out this film room hangout with Matt Waldman.


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NFL Draft Truth or Hype: DE/OLB Vic Beasley

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Having said all this though, I think he could honestly play either defensive end or outside linebacker in the NFL, unlike Nebraska’s Randy Gregory. His stock soared after the combine, and I’m buying into the hype. If Beasley can add a few pounds and develop counter moves as a pass rusher with his hands, he’s going to be a pretty good defensive player.

On a side note, this honestly seems like a player Vikings head coach Mike Zimmer would love to have on his team. Imagine pairing Anthony Barr with Beasley and the defensive line the Vikings already have? The flexibility and athleticism with Beasley and Barr would keep Zimmer up all night in the summer scheming blitz packages.

That would be scary.


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I can't keep up with all the draft info you keep dropping on us. :) Thanks!


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I can't keep up with all the draft info you keep dropping on us. :) Thanks!


No problem. Dupree was a fun guy to watch some tape on. Zimmer guy for sure. Big, fast, strong but not very refined. His first step (first three steps) are lightning. Could be a stud but I worry about his flexibility some. I have the same issue to a larger extent with Shane Ray (mostly because Ray doesn't exhibit nearly the athletic traits as guys like Beasley, Gregory and Dupree). Lots of possibilities. Too many.

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I can't keep up with all the draft info you keep dropping on us. :) Thanks!


For sure, thanks DP.

Dupree is interesting but I think he's the kind of pick you maybe don't get a ton of snaps out of year one? The good news for the Vikings is that it appears moves and counter moves that all these scouts are looking for in a DE don't matter that much in this scheme. Watching Griffen stick a hand in the chest of the tackle, extend it, and drive him back down after down after down seems to indicate that its a pretty straigforward approach that demands size and strength, discipline, and a certain level of technical proficiency. Can Dupree convert speed to power? can he put on 20 pounds? Can he become technically proficient enough to control the tackle he is engaged with once he diagnoses the play? From my perspective that's what they are looking for in a DE.

As you know, I love Beasley at OLB under Zimmer, probably my #1 choiced in this draft if he's there at 11.


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NFL Draft Truth or Hype: DE/OLB Vic Beasley

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Having said all this though, I think he could honestly play either defensive end or outside linebacker in the NFL, unlike Nebraska’s Randy Gregory. His stock soared after the combine, and I’m buying into the hype. If Beasley can add a few pounds and develop counter moves as a pass rusher with his hands, he’s going to be a pretty good defensive player.

On a side note, this honestly seems like a player Vikings head coach Mike Zimmer would love to have on his team. Imagine pairing Anthony Barr with Beasley and the defensive line the Vikings already have? The flexibility and athleticism with Beasley and Barr would keep Zimmer up all night in the summer scheming blitz packages.

That would be scary.


http://blog.startribune.com/sports/acce ... ic-beasley


I wouldn't mind if they went Defense early and often. I want the Vikes defense to be nasty and terrifying. I want them to be fast, ruthless and aggressive.


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DeVante Parker - WR - Cardinals

Two of four CBS draft analysts mock Louisville WR DeVante Parker to the Vikings at No. 11 overall, and colleague Frank Cooney calls Parker the best fit in the draft for the Purple.

"Not only does he already have an established connection with Teddy Bridgewater, but Parker has legitimate No. 1 ability, in the mold of A.J. Green," Cooney wrote. "Norv Turner's offense and Bridgewater would substantially benefit with a talent like Parker at their disposal." Dane Brugler was one of the analysts mocking Parker to Minny, writing: "Minnesota added Mike Wallace to the wide receiver depth chart, but the Vikings are still in search of a No. 1 caliber pass catcher. Parker has the talent to fill that need." Interestingly, the two dissenting voices -- Pete Prisco and Rob Rang -- both have Minnesota taking MSU CB Trae Waynes.
Source: CBS Sports
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DeVante Parker - WR - Cardinals

Two of four CBS draft analysts mock Louisville WR DeVante Parker to the Vikings at No. 11 overall, and colleague Frank Cooney calls Parker the best fit in the draft for the Purple.

"Not only does he already have an established connection with Teddy Bridgewater, but Parker has legitimate No. 1 ability, in the mold of A.J. Green," Cooney wrote. "Norv Turner's offense and Bridgewater would substantially benefit with a talent like Parker at their disposal." Dane Brugler was one of the analysts mocking Parker to Minny, writing: "Minnesota added Mike Wallace to the wide receiver depth chart, but the Vikings are still in search of a No. 1 caliber pass catcher. Parker has the talent to fill that need." Interestingly, the two dissenting voices -- Pete Prisco and Rob Rang -- both have Minnesota taking MSU CB Trae Waynes.
Source: CBS Sports
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl- ... t-at-no-11


I wonder how seriously they're considering Parker. They seem very high on Bridgewater and you have to believe getting to throw to Parker again would make him happy. How much does that factor into their desicion?


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DeVante Parker - WR - Cardinals

Two of four CBS draft analysts mock Louisville WR DeVante Parker to the Vikings at No. 11 overall, and colleague Frank Cooney calls Parker the best fit in the draft for the Purple.

"Not only does he already have an established connection with Teddy Bridgewater, but Parker has legitimate No. 1 ability, in the mold of A.J. Green," Cooney wrote. "Norv Turner's offense and Bridgewater would substantially benefit with a talent like Parker at their disposal." Dane Brugler was one of the analysts mocking Parker to Minny, writing: "Minnesota added Mike Wallace to the wide receiver depth chart, but the Vikings are still in search of a No. 1 caliber pass catcher. Parker has the talent to fill that need." Interestingly, the two dissenting voices -- Pete Prisco and Rob Rang -- both have Minnesota taking MSU CB Trae Waynes.
Source: CBS Sports
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl- ... t-at-no-11


I wonder how seriously they're considering Parker. They seem very high on Bridgewater and you have to believe getting to throw to Parker again would make him happy. How much does that factor into their desicion?


I think it depends on how they view their current WRs. It's such a weird roster of guys. So much potential but nothing is really set, especially for 2016 and beyond.

On one hand Wallace could be one-and-done, Patterson could be a return specialist only, Johnson could see his ceiling as a #3 guy and Wright could left to test the market next year. In that scenario, taking a "stud" WR at 11 makes complete sense, especially if you think he's going to be an A.J. Green type of player in the next couple of years.

On the other hand, Wallace-Bridgewater-Turner combo could be lethal (enough to satisfy Wallace for a few years and keep him happy and producing), Patterson could turn it around and unseat Johnson, Johnson could be a legitimate "diamond in the rough" and the Vikings could have 3-4 incredibly productive and quality receivers for Teddy. In that case, can a case be made for drafting Parker at 11, even retrospectively?

I think if Cooper is there, you may have to take him based on your player grades (I assume). Maybe they have Parker ranked that high, who knows. I think the "need level" for WR really depends on how you (and the Vikings) view the potential/quality currently on the roster. While Parker is highly intriguing, how is he ranked compared to others that might be there? And there's really no guarantee he will be that "#1 WR" that will unseat Johnson or Patterson. Taking a WR at 11, for me, would further muddy the waters at receiver. Who's the odd man out? There aren't enough reps to go around in practice or targets in games (you're not going to run four-wide all game). Or do you sit a guy like Cooper and/or Parker for a year to learn while you see how the rest of the guys shake out? Is that smart? Would that stunt development?

My feeling is that unless Cooper is there (unlikely), we probably wait to select a WR until after the first round. And I would think (hope?) protecting Teddy takes precedence over another weapon. Though I know Rick has a history of not taking interior offensive linemen early.

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DeVante Parker - WR - Cardinals

Two of four CBS draft analysts mock Louisville WR DeVante Parker to the Vikings at No. 11 overall, and colleague Frank Cooney calls Parker the best fit in the draft for the Purple.

"Not only does he already have an established connection with Teddy Bridgewater, but Parker has legitimate No. 1 ability, in the mold of A.J. Green," Cooney wrote. "Norv Turner's offense and Bridgewater would substantially benefit with a talent like Parker at their disposal." Dane Brugler was one of the analysts mocking Parker to Minny, writing: "Minnesota added Mike Wallace to the wide receiver depth chart, but the Vikings are still in search of a No. 1 caliber pass catcher. Parker has the talent to fill that need." Interestingly, the two dissenting voices -- Pete Prisco and Rob Rang -- both have Minnesota taking MSU CB Trae Waynes.
Source: CBS Sports
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl- ... t-at-no-11


I wonder how seriously they're considering Parker. They seem very high on Bridgewater and you have to believe getting to throw to Parker again would make him happy. How much does that factor into their desicion?


I think it depends on how they view their current WRs. It's such a weird roster of guys. So much potential but nothing is really set, especially for 2016 and beyond.

On one hand Wallace could be one-and-done, Patterson could be a return specialist only, Johnson could see his ceiling as a #3 guy and Wright could left to test the market next year. In that scenario, taking a "stud" WR at 11 makes complete sense, especially if you think he's going to be an A.J. Green type of player in the next couple of years.

On the other hand, Wallace-Bridgewater-Turner combo could be lethal (enough to satisfy Wallace for a few years and keep him happy and producing), Patterson could turn it around and unseat Johnson, Johnson could be a legitimate "diamond in the rough" and the Vikings could have 3-4 incredibly productive and quality receivers for Teddy. In that case, can a case be made for drafting Parker at 11, even retrospectively?

I think if Cooper is there, you may have to take him based on your player grades (I assume). Maybe they have Parker ranked that high, who knows. I think the "need level" for WR really depends on how you (and the Vikings) view the potential/quality currently on the roster. While Parker is highly intriguing, how is he ranked compared to others that might be there? And there's really no guarantee he will be that "#1 WR" that will unseat Johnson or Patterson. Taking a WR at 11, for me, would further muddy the waters at receiver. Who's the odd man out? There aren't enough reps to go around in practice or targets in games (you're not going to run four-wide all game). Or do you sit a guy like Cooper and/or Parker for a year to learn while you see how the rest of the guys shake out? Is that smart? Would that stunt development?

My feeling is that unless Cooper is there (unlikely), we probably wait to select a WR until after the first round. And I would think (hope?) protecting Teddy takes precedence over another weapon. Though I know Rick has a history of not taking interior offensive linemen early.


If we take a WR at #11, I'm sure it will be with the intention of that player starting this year. Sure, Wright has shown some flashes and Johnson played well down the stretch, but if we take a WR that high we have to be reasonably confidant it will be our #2 guy behind Wallace. If Wright and Johnson play lights out in training camp and the preseason and keep our first round pick off the field, that's one thing, but i doubt that happens.

My prediction as of right now is Beasley. He might not be rated that high by the media, but neither was Barr. If we feel that we can make him fit our defense, then he's a Spielman guy. When asked about taking Patterson and Barr the last two years, Spielman said something along the lines of not passing up those physical freaks, because they are so hard to find. Beasley is both a freak and a productive college player, much like Barr. Now, he might be too similar to Barr, in which case we might pass, but if Zimmer and Spielman come to the conclusion that both can be on the field much of the time, I think he's the pick. If he's not there, then I think we trade down. As much as I love the idea of Sherff, I assume the Vikings have a plan for LG, either by waiting to see if someone is cut, or by addressing it later in the draft, or possibly if they think Yankey is ready.


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I guess I'm not as high on Wright as a lot of people, he seems to disappear for long stretches at a time. I see lots of reports about how great he looks in camp and shows flashes in games but he lacks the consistency that you would like to see by now. That combined with the uncertainty with Johnson and Patterson leads me to believe a round 1 or 2 WR might be prudent.


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I guess I'm not as high on Wright as a lot of people, he seems to disappear for long stretches at a time.


I think a lot of that is because he's out of the game for fairly long stretches of time.

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I see lots of reports about how great he looks in camp and shows flashes in games but he lacks the consistency that you would like to see by now.


Honestly, with the exception of Jennings, I thought he was the most consistent WR on the team last year. I'm surprised they haven't made him a bigger part of game plans the last few years. The guy seems to produce when called upon.


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I think a lot of that is because he's out of the game for fairly long stretches of time.


Chicken or the egg. He's been here 3 years and while he's getting on the field more often, it's still nothing to write home about. He's a 2TD per season player who occasionally breaks a big play.

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I'll give that one to Charles Johnson. Their stats are similar but it seemed like Bridgewater leaned on Johnson more in critical situations. They certainly had a chemistry. I recall Johnson being open and Bridgewater unable to hit him on a couple of big plays too.

Seeing as how Johnson was only here for a year, he gets the benefit in my mind over Wright. I'm not saying Wright is a bad player, just that I don't think he's really integral to the future success of the team as others may feel.


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I think a lot of that is because he's out of the game for fairly long stretches of time.


Chicken or the egg. He's been here 3 years and while he's getting on the field more often, it's still nothing to write home about. He's a 2TD per season player who occasionally breaks a big play.


I think that minimizes his contribution. Do you realize he was targeted just 3 more times than Johnson last year but caught a considerably higher percentage of the passes thrown his way (42 of 62—68%) and gained more yardage? Johnson gets talked about more but I'd argue that Wright was actually the more effective player. I don't see much "chicken and the egg" in his situation. When he's on the field and targeted, he's usually productive.

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I'll give that one to Charles Johnson. Their stats are similar but it seemed like Bridgewater leaned on Johnson more in critical situations. They certainly had a chemistry. I recall Johnson being open and Bridgewater unable to hit him on a couple of big plays too.

Seeing as how Johnson was only here for a year, he gets the benefit in my mind over Wright. I'm not saying Wright is a bad player, just that I don't think he's really integral to the future success of the team as others may feel.


I wouldn't say either player is integral to the team's future success but that's a different criteria than playing consistently, which is what I thought we were talking about. :)


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I think a lot of that is because he's out of the game for fairly long stretches of time.


Chicken or the egg. He's been here 3 years and while he's getting on the field more often, it's still nothing to write home about. He's a 2TD per season player who occasionally breaks a big play.


I think that minimizes his contribution. Do you realize he was targeted just 3 more times than Johnson last year but caught a considerably higher percentage of the passes thrown his way (42 of 62—68%) and gained more yardage? Johnson gets talked about more but I'd argue that Wright was actually the more effective player. I don't see much "chicken and the egg" in his situation. When he's on the field and targeted, he's usually productive.


It's a chicken or the egg situation because is he not productive enough to see the field more often or is he not on the field enough to be more productive? Like I said, he and Johnson are statistically similar with the big difference being that Wright has been in the NFL for 3 years whereas Johnson has been playing for 1 (practice squad aside).


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It's a chicken or the egg situation because is he not productive enough to see the field more often or is he not on the field enough to be more productive?


I understood why you were referring to it that way. I just disagreed because, as I pointed out, he was productive when he was on the field.


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If we take a WR at #11, I'm sure it will be with the intention of that player starting this year. Sure, Wright has shown some flashes and Johnson played well down the stretch, but if we take a WR that high we have to be reasonably confidant it will be our #2 guy behind Wallace. If Wright and Johnson play lights out in training camp and the preseason and keep our first round pick off the field, that's one thing, but i doubt that happens.

My prediction as of right now is Beasley. He might not be rated that high by the media, but neither was Barr. If we feel that we can make him fit our defense, then he's a Spielman guy. When asked about taking Patterson and Barr the last two years, Spielman said something along the lines of not passing up those physical freaks, because they are so hard to find. Beasley is both a freak and a productive college player, much like Barr. Now, he might be too similar to Barr, in which case we might pass, but if Zimmer and Spielman come to the conclusion that both can be on the field much of the time, I think he's the pick. If he's not there, then I think we trade down. As much as I love the idea of Sherff, I assume the Vikings have a plan for LG, either by waiting to see if someone is cut, or by addressing it later in the draft, or possibly if they think Yankey is ready.


Its a good consideration. The Vikings would most likely be giving up on Wright and/or Patterson if they select a WR at 11. I'm not saying they shouldn't give up on one of those two, but realistically they aren't going to be running a lot of 5 WR sets.

I think the Vikings perceive themselves as stronger at the WR position than most others do. It will be telling if they end up selecting a WR at 11.


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I think if Cooper is there, you may have to take him based on your player grades (I assume). Maybe they have Parker ranked that high, who knows. I think the "need level" for WR really depends on how you (and the Vikings) view the potential/quality currently on the roster. While Parker is highly intriguing, how is he ranked compared to others that might be there? And there's really no guarantee he will be that "#1 WR" that will unseat Johnson or Patterson. Taking a WR at 11, for me, would further muddy the waters at receiver. Who's the odd man out? There aren't enough reps to go around in practice or targets in games (you're not going to run four-wide all game). Or do you sit a guy like Cooper and/or Parker for a year to learn while you see how the rest of the guys shake out? Is that smart? Would that stunt development?


I got wrapped up in discussing wright and forgot to respond to your post!

I don't think sitting a player like Cooper or Parker for a year would stunt development but we both know that wouldn't happen anyway. If the Vikes draft Cooper or Parker, that player is going to play. he might not start immediately, but they'll work him in and use him.

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My feeling is that unless Cooper is there (unlikely), we probably wait to select a WR until after the first round. And I would think (hope?) protecting Teddy takes precedence over another weapon. Though I know Rick has a history of not taking interior offensive linemen early.


He does and even if protecting the QB takes precedence over adding another weapon, they're obviously not mutually exclusive options and in the draft, talent often outweighs need, especially in R1.

I think there's very little chance Cooper will be available at #11 so i doubt that's a decision the Vikes will face. If Parker's available, I consider the "wildcard" in that situation to be his extensive playing experience with Bridgewater. It's one thing to add a WR to the roster with the 11th pick in the draft but it's another to add one with years of previously established chemistry with your quarterback. I have to believe that's something the Vikes have seriously considered as part of their evaluation and rankings.


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Its a good consideration. The Vikings would most likely be giving up on Wright and/or Patterson if they select a WR at 11. I'm not saying they shouldn't give up on one of those two, but realistically they aren't going to be running a lot of 5 WR sets.


No, but I don't think it necessarily means they'd be giving up on either player. Wright's a role-player in the first place so keeping him as one makes sense and if they remain genuinely interested in developing Patterson, increasing competition and taking some pressure off of him to become "the man" might actually be beneficial to everyone involved.

Wallace is expensive so I suspect he's basically in a "prove your worth" season. If the Vikes don't feel he's worth the hefty price tag after 2015, they can cut him with no real cap repercussions, especially if Patterson and/or Johnson showed progress and if the hypothetical first round WR we're talking about was developing nicely. Wright's contract is up after this season so if they wanted to keep Wallace or just didn't feel there was room for Wright on the roster in 2016, they could just let him walk in free agency.

As you said, the Vikes probably aren't going to run many 5 WR sets but they could certainly run plenty of 3 or 4 WR sets and adding Parker while retaining Wallace, Wright, Patterson and johnson could give them a great deal of flexibility and potential firepower at WR.

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I think the Vikings perceive themselves as stronger at the WR position than most others do. It will be telling if they end up selecting a WR at 11.


I think you're probably right about the way the Vikings perceive their WR corps. That's why, for me, it's Parker's history with Bridgewater that's so intriguing. The Vikes have spoken in glowing terms about Bridgewater from the start and Zimmer's clearly very high on the kid. Would drafting his favorite college target help accelerate his development by providing him with a talented and familiar option and if so, how much of a priority is that for the Vikings?

In the end, they'll probably draft a defensive player and this will all be moot but it's interesting to consider. :)


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Regarding all this wide receiver talk, I'm of two minds. We have a nice variety of weapons - a potential #1 guy in Johnson (or Patterson if he gets his act together) a good speed guy in Wallace, a good third and fourth set in Wright and Thielen. So I was originally thinking we should pass on some of the riskier guys, taking only Cooper if he was available at #11.

But now I'm rewatching the season (somewhere around game 12 now) and I really don't like Charles Johnson's chemistry so far with Bridgewater. I know I've got some games to go here, but he looked more like a #3 guy (bobbles, gave up on some plays, maybe ran bad routes and wasn't where Teddy expected him to be, etc.). Taking Norv's word for it, I guess he'll be our best guy by the end of the season, but at the beginning of December in last season, I'm just not seeing it. So that makes me think grabbing White or Parker might not be a bad move.

I know we want to go BPA most times, but at that point, so many guys must have similar grades, so there can be options even with a BPA approach.

Of course, Scherff is the perfect choice IMHO. Fills the guard spot, and can slide to tackle if Kalil doesn't get fixed. I could see trading up with the Rams to get him by flipping positions if the price isn't too high. And I assume he's more or less a local guy.


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Here's a fun quote from Rick Spielman to keep everybody guessing:

http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikin ... 57651.html

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You’d think this national obsession with analyzing the NFL draft would produce someone who actually knows all that will happen when the three-day selection show kicks off in Chicago on April 30.

You’d be wrong.

“There will be a number of surprises, particularly in this draft because so many guys are so close in talent,” Vikings General Manager Rick Spielman said. “I know just reading through some of the mock drafts, there are some names we’re considering at No. 11 that haven’t even been mentioned. And then there are names attached to us that I don’t think we’d even consider at 11.”

Of course, one should remember it is draft season. Sleight of mouth, not full disclosure, is the more sensible method of communication for the 32 men entrusted with the highly competitive duty of restocking an NFL team’s 53-man roster.

“I talk to a lot of people, but I’ll be frank,” draft analyst Charles Davis said. “I don’t know that I trust anybody right now. I don’t mean that they’re lying, but no one wants to tip their hand. So we shall see what happens.”


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Here's a fun quote from Rick Spielman to keep everybody guessing:

http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikin ... 57651.html

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You’d think this national obsession with analyzing the NFL draft would produce someone who actually knows all that will happen when the three-day selection show kicks off in Chicago on April 30.

You’d be wrong.

“There will be a number of surprises, particularly in this draft because so many guys are so close in talent,” Vikings General Manager Rick Spielman said. “I know just reading through some of the mock drafts, there are some names we’re considering at No. 11 that haven’t even been mentioned. And then there are names attached to us that I don’t think we’d even consider at 11.”

Of course, one should remember it is draft season. Sleight of mouth, not full disclosure, is the more sensible method of communication for the 32 men entrusted with the highly competitive duty of restocking an NFL team’s 53-man roster.

“I talk to a lot of people, but I’ll be frank,” draft analyst Charles Davis said. “I don’t know that I trust anybody right now. I don’t mean that they’re lying, but no one wants to tip their hand. So we shall see what happens.”


I think Spielman is tell the truth. I remember last year he said pretty much the exact same thing - as hardly anyone had us taking Anthony Barr.

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[quote="HardcoreVikesFan"]think Spielman is tell the truth. I remember last year he said pretty much the exact same thing - as hardly anyone had us taking Anthony Barr.[/quote

I had the same thought. It really makes you wonder what they might have up their collective sleeve, eh?


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Mothman wrote:
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think Spielman is tell the truth. I remember last year he said pretty much the exact same thing - as hardly anyone had us taking Anthony Barr.[/quote

I had the same thought. It really makes you wonder what they might have up their collective sleeve, eh?


My guess would be either someone like La'el Collins or Danny Shelton. Maybe Randy Gregory. Then again, I still expect Trae Waynes to come off the board when we pick - even though I wish we would pass on him.

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