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Saw a Ron Jaworski segment on his opinion of Manziel transitioning his game to the NFL. It was not very promising. Jaws stated that he was a great college quarterback who would have difficulty making the jump to the NFL. He considered him a long term project and would not draft him till at least the fourth round. This should be a more interesting draft then in recent years.


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I don't know about Jaws sometimes. He recently stated Joe Flacco was a better quarterback than Drew Brees.

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I don't know about Jaws sometimes. He recently stated Joe Flacco was a better quarterback than Drew Brees.


:shock:

...what?!

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frosted21 wrote:
I don't know about Jaws sometimes. He recently stated Joe Flacco was a better quarterback than Drew Brees.


:shock:

...what?!


Yeah in his QB rankings last offseason, Matt Ryan and Flacco were four and five and Brees was six.

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frosted21 wrote:
Funkytown wrote:
frosted21 wrote:
I don't know about Jaws sometimes. He recently stated Joe Flacco was a better quarterback than Drew Brees.


:shock:

...what?!


Yeah in his QB rankings last offseason, Matt Ryan and Flacco were four and five and Brees was six.

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I think maybe he meant who was playing better at the time? Idk, I have a hard time justifying that, but I also have a hard time believing he really thought Flacco was at any point better then Brees, I mean, really, he can't really believe that, can he?


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I think maybe he meant who was playing better at the time? Idk, I have a hard time justifying that, but I also have a hard time believing he really thought Flacco was at any point better then Brees, I mean, really, he can't really believe that, can he?


I think he ranked Flacco one or two slots ahead of Brees when ranking the NFL starting QBs last offseason.

Jaworski knows a LOT about QB play but he's prone to overstating things and getting carried away with what he says when hyped up about how a player is playing at a particular time. When he's breaking down film or analyzing the performance of a particular QB, I think he's well worth a listen. When he's ranking QBs or speaking extemporaneously (ie; without preparation), he tends to go overboard.


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The more I see him, and read about him, the more I hope that the Vikings avoid him. I like Bridgewater and Bortles. Both have a lot of critics, and long list of things that would need to be improved to transition to the Pro game. Manziel just feels like the land mine in this years draft to me.


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The more I see him, and read about him, the more I hope that the Vikings avoid him. I like Bridgewater and Bortles. Both have a lot of critics, and long list of things that would need to be improved to transition to the Pro game. Manziel just feels like the land mine in this years draft to me.


Man, if Bridgewater fell to us I would FLIP. That dude just has 'it'.


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I hope Manziel dives down the boards and we snag him in the 2nd. He already plays w/ a chip on his shoulder. That kind of disrespect would light a TX sized flame under his back side.


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I hope Manziel dives down the boards and we snag him in the 2nd. He already plays w/ a chip on his shoulder. That kind of disrespect would light a TX sized flame under his back side.


Yeah, I am in the minority it seems, but I believe he will be a good NFL starting quarterback.

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I hope Manziel dives down the boards and we snag him in the 2nd. He already plays w/ a chip on his shoulder. That kind of disrespect would light a TX sized flame under his back side.


Yeah, I am in the minority it seems, but I believe he will be a good NFL starting quarterback.


The very divergent opinions on how he'll make the transition are to be expected. His style of play is somewhat unconventional for the NFL. I say somewhat because the definition of NFL QB is in flux and I think Manziel might be the next guy to redefine it. He might also not amount to much in the NFL--so hard to predict.


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I don't know about Jaws sometimes. He recently stated Joe Flacco was a better quarterback than Drew Brees.


Well, he's won just as many Super Bowls. That's all that matters anymore isn't it?


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While I don't necessarily agree with Jaworski, I do agree that Manziel is far from a sure bet. He'll go in the top 5 almost certainly, but his game still has quite a bit of maturing to do before I'm convinced it will translate well to the pros.

With that said, his ability to play at a high level in college and rise to the challenge in big games suggests he has a good chance of making that transition. Still, I see Manziel as a fairly high risk pick. I hope Spielman doesn't trade up to get any of the top QB's in this year's draft (in either the 1st or 2nd rounds). There just isn't anything resembling a sure thing in this year's draft at QB, and if there is a little early run on them in the top 7, that should drop at least one bona-fide top-tier talent down to #8. Think AD... Maybe one of the two highly-rated OTs (could slot them in at guard to replace Johnson), LBs (3 legit prospects there actually), WR (Watkins would be killer in Purple across from Patterson), or who knows? Maybe even Clowney could still screw up enough to drop his stock to #8. Stranger things have happened.


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Unless a team is dream reaching, I think manziel will slide down in the draft much like Brady Quinn, Aaron Rogers, Geno Smith, ect ect did. Too many lucky plays looked at by analyst as "Playmaking" against inferior College players just simply won't happen in the nfl. I wouldn't draft him and build a franchise around this guy


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Bridgewater's Throwing motion reminds me a TJack. He tends to flip the ball downfield with a High School throwing motion using his forearm and wrist instead of using the Shoulder. Not too wild about bridgewater. Just not a Pure NFL passer throwing Motion to my eyes


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Unless a team is dream reaching, I think manziel will slide down in the draft much like Brady Quinn, Aaron Rogers, Geno Smith, ect ect did. Too many lucky plays looked at by analyst as "Playmaking" against inferior College players just simply won't happen in the nfl. I wouldn't draft him and build a franchise around this guy


Lucky plays? Honestly, how many Aggies' games did you watch in the last two seasons?


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Unless a team is dream reaching, I think manziel will slide down in the draft much like Brady Quinn, Aaron Rogers, Geno Smith, ect ect did. Too many lucky plays looked at by analyst as "Playmaking" against inferior College players just simply won't happen in the nfl. I wouldn't draft him and build a franchise around this guy


Lucky plays? Honestly, how many Aggies' games did you watch in the last two seasons?


I've watched about 5 Texas A&M games


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Unless a team is dream reaching, I think manziel will slide down in the draft much like Brady Quinn, Aaron Rogers, Geno Smith, ect ect did. Too many lucky plays looked at by analyst as "Playmaking" against inferior College players just simply won't happen in the nfl. I wouldn't draft him and build a franchise around this guy


Lucky plays? Honestly, how many Aggies' games did you watch in the last two seasons?


I've watched about 5 Texas A&M games



Then you should know that there are only so many times that you can chalk up someone's success to luck. At some point you have to attribute it to skill.

Manziel's game might not translate to the NFL; but to say his success on the college level, playing in the most competitive conference, was due to luck is a weak assessment IMO.


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Chadiha thinks JFB should be the top pick in the draft and addresses Jaws' take head on:

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And if Manziel really is overrated, he wouldn't have someone like former Oklahoma and Dallas Cowboys head coach Barry Switzer talking about how he'd never seen a player dominate college football as Manziel did over the past two seasons.

Switzer's comments drive home the most important point concerning Manziel right now: He's the most dynamic signal-caller in this class. With all due respect to ESPN NFL analyst Ron Jaworski — who recently claimed that early film study led him to believe Manziel wasn't worth a pick in the first three rounds — playing quarterback in the league these days isn't just about dominating from the pocket any more. It's about making plays out of nothing, when all hell is breaking loose around you.


I can't think of another player who has provoked such varied takes on his stock.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2014/story/ ... texans-man


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Chadiha thinks JFB should be the top pick in the draft and addresses Jaws' take head on:

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And if Manziel really is overrated, he wouldn't have someone like former Oklahoma and Dallas Cowboys head coach Barry Switzer talking about how he'd never seen a player dominate college football as Manziel did over the past two seasons.

Switzer's comments drive home the most important point concerning Manziel right now: He's the most dynamic signal-caller in this class. With all due respect to ESPN NFL analyst Ron Jaworski — who recently claimed that early film study led him to believe Manziel wasn't worth a pick in the first three rounds — playing quarterback in the league these days isn't just about dominating from the pocket any more. It's about making plays out of nothing, when all hell is breaking loose around you.


I can't think of another player who has provoked such varied takes on his stock.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2014/story/ ... texans-man


It's the battle of fantastic production vs. measurables and conventional thinking. It's pretty interesting, especially because nobody really has any idea how it will all turn out.

On a side note, I have to say that I get tired of reading comments from the sports media like "playing quarterback in the league these days isn't just about dominating from the pocket any more. It's about making plays out of nothing, when all hell is breaking loose around you", as if that represents some sort of change. Tarkenton was doing what he describes 40 years ago and plenty of QBs have done it since. We've been hearing about running, scrambling QBs changing the way the game is played for decades now. It's not new.


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Texas Vike wrote:
Chadiha thinks JFB should be the top pick in the draft and addresses Jaws' take head on:

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And if Manziel really is overrated, he wouldn't have someone like former Oklahoma and Dallas Cowboys head coach Barry Switzer talking about how he'd never seen a player dominate college football as Manziel did over the past two seasons.

Switzer's comments drive home the most important point concerning Manziel right now: He's the most dynamic signal-caller in this class.


Wasn't it Switzer that also said Manziel is an arrogant little pr!ck? Also that he doesn't care for his antics, and that Manziel has embarrassed himself, his teammates, his program, etc.? Things like that are why people might shy away from him, especially at the beginning of the first round. I didn't read the article, but did Chadiha conveniently leave all that out when discussing Switzer's opinions? Did he just pick out the good stuff that supported his argument? Kind of a lot to leave out when we are talking about the "top pick."

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Funkytown wrote:
Texas Vike wrote:
Chadiha thinks JFB should be the top pick in the draft and addresses Jaws' take head on:

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And if Manziel really is overrated, he wouldn't have someone like former Oklahoma and Dallas Cowboys head coach Barry Switzer talking about how he'd never seen a player dominate college football as Manziel did over the past two seasons.

Switzer's comments drive home the most important point concerning Manziel right now: He's the most dynamic signal-caller in this class.


Wasn't it Switzer that also said Manziel is an arrogant little pr!ck? Also that he doesn't care for his antics, and that Manziel has embarrassed himself, his teammates, his program, etc.? Things like that are why people might shy away from him, especially at the beginning of the first round. I didn't read the article, but did Chadiha conveniently leave all that out when discussing Switzer's opinions?


The article wasn't about Switzer's opinions. Chadiha just used one of those opinions to reinforce his view that Manziel is worth drafting at #1. He didn't ignore the questions about JFB's character though.

Here's another take on Manziel from Kevin Siefert:

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/ ... gic-in-nfl


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The article wasn't about Switzer's opinions. Chadiha just used one of those opinions to reinforce his view that Manziel is worth drafting at #1.


Yeah, that's what I meant.

But those comments were part of an article titled "Barry Switzer calls Johnny Manziel an arrogant little pr!ck". Wouldn't those comments by Switzer probably go against someone being drafted #1? Either way, I figured that's what he did. As I said, convenient, but I'm sure everyone does it.

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Here's another take on Manziel from Kevin Siefert:

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/ ... gic-in-nfl


Interesting take. Even though i think it's a pretty solid piece from Seifert, I don't get the sense that he's watched much SEC football though. This line gave it away:
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Most important, Wilson demonstrated in his final college season that he could excel as a pocket passer. Manziel struggled in that regard against SEC schools such as LSU and Missouri last season, requiring far more projection work than should be necessary for the No. 1 overall pick.


Did Manziel struggle against those two SEC schools? Yes. But he also excelled against MANY others, including various top 10 teams.

Also, Wilson did not impact college ball like JFB did. Not even close.


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I hope Manziel dives down the boards and we snag him in the 2nd. He already plays w/ a chip on his shoulder. That kind of disrespect would light a TX sized flame under his back side.


If he somehow would drop into the second (not a chance in hell) the Vikes maybe could move up a few spots into the earlier part of round two and draft him. That would be awesome.

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