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He's the guy for us. We've seen what happens when a QB can throw vertically. Jennnings, Simpson, and Patterson are perfect for him. Not to mention AD in the backfield.

He is a knucklehead at times, but he seems smart and well spoken. He is DEFINITELY a competitor. I'd love to see him go against Cutler, Rodgers, and Stafford next year.

He has the "IT" factor that really good NFL QB's have.


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He's the guy for us. We've seen what happens when a QB can throw vertically. Jennnings, Simpson, and Patterson are perfect for him. Not to mention AD in the backfield.

He is a knucklehead at times, but he seems smart and well spoken. He is DEFINITELY a competitor. I'd love to see him go against Cutler, Rodgers, and Stafford next year.

He has the "IT" factor that really good NFL QB's have.



I believe the it factor he has starts with Sh. oil


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yezzir wrote:
He's the guy for us. We've seen what happens when a QB can throw vertically. Jennnings, Simpson, and Patterson are perfect for him. Not to mention AD in the backfield.

He is a knucklehead at times, but he seems smart and well spoken. He is DEFINITELY a competitor. I'd love to see him go against Cutler, Rodgers, and Stafford next year.

He has the "IT" factor that really good NFL QB's have.



I believe the it factor he has starts with Sh. oil


Haha. Any thing to back that up?


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He's the guy for us. We've seen what happens when a QB can throw vertically. Jennnings, Simpson, and Patterson are perfect for him. Not to mention AD in the backfield.

He is a knucklehead at times, but he seems smart and well spoken. He is DEFINITELY a competitor. I'd love to see him go against Cutler, Rodgers, and Stafford next year.

He has the "IT" factor that really good NFL QB's have.



I believe the it factor he has starts with Sh. oil


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im4mnvikes wrote:
yezzir wrote:
He's the guy for us. We've seen what happens when a QB can throw vertically. Jennnings, Simpson, and Patterson are perfect for him. Not to mention AD in the backfield.

He is a knucklehead at times, but he seems smart and well spoken. He is DEFINITELY a competitor. I'd love to see him go against Cutler, Rodgers, and Stafford next year.

He has the "IT" factor that really good NFL QB's have.



I believe the it factor he has starts with Sh. oil


I think I get the joke here, but, I don't wanna confuse myself if I'm wrong. He is "Sh.IT" Cute.

Manziel could put this franchise over the top for years in my opinion.


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You just never know how a college qb will do in the pros. To me, he reminds me too much of Ponder - if his primary receiver is covered his first reaction is to run. Works good in college but not so much in the pros.


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he won't be around when we pick so i wouldn't worry about it. i'd take a chance on him his level of competitiveness is something that can't be taught.


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Too raw and lacks too much intangibles for me. Accuracy and arm strength checks out, but foot work, pocket presence, along with his delivery (especially for his height) will be his inevitable doom to be average in the NFL. Most of all, Manziel lacks that attitude to be the best ever. He is getting by in college because of his athleticism, but it will definitely show up when he has to start studying film (AND I MEAN STUDY!!!) and really understanding the game.



because he can't learn to study film? and whats wrong with his pocket presence? do you guys even watch a&m games?
I was just about to ask the Johnny Bust supporters the same thing. Have you guys actually watched his games or are you only watching Sports Center highlights and buying into the over hype? How anyone can actually watch him play a full game and still believe his back yard clown show is going to work vs NFL defenses have got to be kidding themselves. And no, I don't care if he's doing it vs SEC defenses because they're not even close to being as good or as fast as NFL defenses.

I watched a few of his games this year and I'm not impressed at all. He panics just as bad and as quick as Ponder even when the pocket is clean, then he runs around like Tarkenton before he finally heaves one up into double coverage, or up for grabs in the general direction of one of his big receivers, who more times than not win those jump balls. And that's when he's not taking off and running. And I wonder how durable he's going to be with all that scrambling vs NFL defenses. I mean how valuable is your mobile athletic QB when he's not 100%? Lets ask the 2013 Washington Redskins.

And as mentioned, he's a knucklehead, and already has off the field problems. Do you suppose those problems will get better or worse when you throw millions of NFL dollars on it? And when NFL defenses frustrate and confuse him, how do you suppose party boy is going to handle it? On the head case spectrum, I have him somewhere between Ryan Leaf and Jay Cutler. The guy has disaster waiting to happen written all over him.

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He's not as high-character as I would like, but if he's got the confidence to succeed, he's worth a shot. I just know you don't have to be a cocky dbag to be a great QB, so I hope he grows out of that - and yes, I've seen enough of him to know that that's what he's like. Either way, I hope the Vikings find a way to get him this draft and start him immediately. Winston will be available in the next draft, so if Johnny Football blows, at least we'll know that Winston is legit!

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Too raw and lacks too much intangibles for me.


Please provide a list of the intangibles he's lacking.

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Accuracy and arm strength checks out, but foot work, pocket presence, along with his delivery (especially for his height) will be his inevitable doom to be average in the NFL.


The only thing I agree with here is his footwork. He ran a lot out of the 'gun, so I'd like to see him progress more from under center. His pocket presence could be better but he's arguably at his best when he's out of the pocket and improvising, which is better than a guy that's already really good at that (Russel Wilson).

From one scout:

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Manziel's extraordinary athleticism deserves top billing. He's very elusive; possessing excellent vision, balance, lateral agility and acceleration. When in the pocket, he shows good accuracy in short to intermediate routes that every NFL offense uses (stop-fade, crossers, posts), often leading his receivers into extra yardage. He has enough zip for these throws and possesses impressive touch. When on the move, Manziel's accuracy drops slightly, but remains very effective


His delivery is fine.

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Most of all, Manziel lacks that attitude to be the best ever. He is getting by in college because of his athleticism, but it will definitely show up when he has to start studying film (AND I MEAN STUDY!!!) and really understanding the game.


What evidence do you have he studies film any less than any other player?

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With the exception of a few people on MVB...nobody knows anything about Manziel. He likes to party with babes and is not your everyday QB. He for sure doesn't fit the family friendly terrible-to-average Viking player that we're accustomed to. He does have Mike Evans to bail him out of things at times, but that's a WRs job.

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My amateur take on him is that I'd probably want him more than a lot of the other QB's in this draft. With almost every one of those other guys, I just see Christian Ponder labeled all over them. Bad mechanics, poor foot work, average arms, low football IQ.

Manziel surely has his own slew of problems but outside of Bridgewater, and maybe one or two hidden gems, he just seems like he has the best chance to win a superbowl down the road while some of those guys have a better chance to be matt schaub or matt cassel. The upside with them just isn't there for me.


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he just seems like he has the best chance to win a superbowl down the road while some of those guys have a better chance to be matt schaub or matt cassel. The upside with them just isn't there for me.


When is the last time a player with Manziel's skillset won a super bowl? Closest is what, Favre? And then Young. Both of which were a lot closer to pocket passers than Manziel is...or likely will be.


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If Manziel falls out of the top 5, and we are drafting outside of the top 5, I think you have to at least consider drafting him. Granted, I don't think extremely high of Manziel, but I feel as though you cannot pass up the potential/production outside of the top 5.

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If Manziel falls out of the top 5, and we are drafting outside of the top 5, I think you have to at least consider drafting him. Granted, I don't think extremely high of Manziel, but I feel as though you cannot pass up the potential/production outside of the top 5.


It's almost certain now that the Vikings will be out of the top 5 in the upcoming draft (as hard as that is to believe based on how this season has gone - it seems almost cruel). There are certainly good players available in the 6-10 range, but the only top-level QB who is likely to still be around that late will be Manziel, and even he might be gone. Many of the teams that will draft before the Vikings are just as hungry for a franchise-caliber QB as the Vikings, and some of the ones below them may be willing to trade up to snag a guy they really like. It didn't help matters that Mariota decided to return to school, which means there is one less top-level QB to go around in those first picks. If Manziel falls to the Vikings by some miracle, they simply have to pull the trigger on the guy. I know there are some here who are not sold on his skillset, but just watch his highlights and it's obvious he has that rare mental ability to play the game at a high level. He sees the field, senses pressure, and shows an ability to place the ball with great anticipation. If he was bigger and had fewer off-field issues he'd be as sought after as Luck was, if not more. The fact that he has those negatives is the only way a guy like that could ever drop to pick #8, and if the Vikings do wind up in a position to draft him they sure better not blow it. We're talking about a talent like AD, Harvin, or Moss dropping. The Vikes took chances on all of them and it paid off for the most part.

One wildcard in this situation is Spielman. Spielman has a horrific track record when it comes to evaluating QB's. I could easily see him doing something incredibly stupid like trading up to take Bortles. I sincerely hope that Spielman finds the people he needs to help him properly evaluate what each of these prospects demonstrates *on the field* and not just in private workouts, interviews, and pro days. Leave the guys who have the physical stats to teams that value "potential". Focus on the guys who produce and have shown consistent improvement, especially the ones who produce against tougher competition. That narrows the field at most positions considerably.


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Bucky Brooks weighs in on Manziel:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200000 ... uarterback

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With a national television audience paying close attention to his every move, Manziel put on an epic performance that cemented his status as one of the top quarterbacks in college football, and a future franchise player at the next level. Watching it up close and personal, here are my thoughts on Manziel's game and it projects in the NFL:


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Questions about Manziel's arm strength and range dominated the discussion in the NFL scouting community during the offseason. Evaluators wondered if Manziel could make big-boy throws from the pocket, particularly the deep out from the opposite hash and the go-route down the boundary.

Watching Manziel pick apart the Blue Devils, there's no doubt in my mind that he can make every throw in the book. He attacked every area of the field with a variety of fastballs and rainbows to open receivers. Additionally, Manziel showed the ability to squeeze the ball into tight windows between the hashes. While those traits are expected of a franchise quarterback, I believe Manziel's unique ability to deliver accurate throws from various throwing platforms separates him from the pack. He will use a sidearm or three-quarters release to avoid rushers in close proximity, yet the ball still hits receivers in the strike zone. This characteristic makes him a threat to create big plays against the blitz from anywhere on the field.

Given the relentless blitz tactics favored by the majority of NFL defensive coaches, Manziel's unique arm talent could make him indefensible as a pro.

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I gotta say, I happened to see that play where Manziel tried to scramble/hurdle the defender, maintained his balance, and then threw a TD before I left for a New Years party. That play was unbelievable. That right there showed me the guy isn't as much as gimmick as I thought.

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Manziel will be long gone by the time pick #8 rolls around. He won't last past #5. Vikes will have to trade up to have a shot at him.


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Manziel will be long gone by the time pick #8 rolls around. He won't last past #5. Vikes will have to trade up to have a shot at him.



I'm starting to believe he has a good chance of going #1 overall.

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Manziel will be long gone by the time pick #8 rolls around. He won't last past #5. Vikes will have to trade up to have a shot at him.



I'm starting to believe he has a good chance of going #1 overall.


Yeah, I said the same yesterday, he's just got IT. Watch all the QB's this year and you'll just see Manziel is on another level, even over "i play no one relevant" Bridgewater. And it's not so much the routine simple stuff, every QB can go out in shorts like Ponder and make those throws but when you really need something ridiculous to happen Manziel just keeps delivering it.

MAYBE it doesn't translate over to the pro game but IF it DOES, that's the QB that wins you championships. If you need a QB I don't see how you pass him up.


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Its official now Johnny Manziel Will enter the 2014 NFL draft. Hope he falls to #8!

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Its official now Johnny Manziel Will enter the 2014 NFL draft. Hope he falls to #8!


Glad he declared, but I have a hard time believing that he'll fall much past 3. Weirder things have happened though.


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Sounds like he is dedicating himself to his craft.

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Texas A&M quarterback Johnny Manziel, who stated the obvious today when he announced that he is entering the 2014 NFL draft, plans to spend the next few months training with a quarterback guru who has tutored the last two passers taken with the first overall pick in the draft.

Bruce Feldman of CBS reports that Manziel plans to move to San Diego for the next few months to train with private quarterbacks coach George Whitfield, who will help Manziel prepare for the NFL Scouting Combine and private workouts with NFL teams.

Whitfield has a good track record: He worked with Andrew Luck before the 2012 draft and with Cam Newton before the 2011 draft. Luck was already so polished as a pocket passer in college that Whitfield’s influence probably didn’t do much to change perceptions of him among NFL teams, but Whitfield was credited with helping Newton show he could make all the throws that NFL teams want to see their quarterbacks make. Manziel, like Newton, is a mobile quarterback who hasn’t played in a pro-style offense (although the definition of “pro-style offense” is rapidly changing), and Whitfield may be able to help Manziel demonstrate that he can be a pocket passer if that’s what the team that drafts him wants him to be.

Manziel told Feldman, “I’m ready to become a professional and dedicate myself to making my dream a reality of becoming the best quarterback I can be.” Part of that dedication will be a few months of work with Whitfield.

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sheesh the coverage of JFB on espn is already driving me nuts - they are acting like he is already the second coming of all the greatest QB's to ever play rolled up into one.

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Interesting read.

Manziel's potential draws varying reactions from SEC defenders

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200000 ... -defenders

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Arkansas defensive end Chris Smith was willing to make a different call on Manziel's NFL career: "He's going to be really good at the next level." Smith called Manziel "a playmaker, man. There's no two ways about it. A lot of people talk bad about him, but he's got it. He's got eyes in the back of his head."

Auburn defensive end Dee Ford and Vanderbilt safety Kenny Ladler also were effusive in their praise. Ford said Manziel was the "toughest player I ever faced," while Ladler said Manziel "makes plays that normal quarterbacks usually don't make."

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Interesting read.

Manziel's potential draws varying reactions from SEC defenders

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200000 ... -defenders

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Arkansas defensive end Chris Smith was willing to make a different call on Manziel's NFL career: "He's going to be really good at the next level." Smith called Manziel "a playmaker, man. There's no two ways about it. A lot of people talk bad about him, but he's got it. He's got eyes in the back of his head."

Auburn defensive end Dee Ford and Vanderbilt safety Kenny Ladler also were effusive in their praise. Ford said Manziel was the "toughest player I ever faced," while Ladler said Manziel "makes plays that normal quarterbacks usually don't make."


Good read, thanks for posting it.

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But in two games against LSU, both losses, Manziel was just 45 of 97 (46.4 percent completion rate) for 500 yards, one touchdown and five interceptions. Loston said the Tigers' plan "was to try to keep him in the pocket, make him beat us from the pocket. We did a pretty good job of keeping him bottled up."


* worth noting: Manziel played hurt against LSU this year.


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Good read, thanks for posting it.


Agreed!

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* worth noting: Manziel played hurt against LSU this year.


I didn't see either of his games against LSU but the first thing I thought when I read those stats about his performances against them was, "what else was happening?". They kept him bottled up in the pocket but how was their coverage. In other words, was he unable to operate effectively because he was bottled up in the pocket or were his stats against LSU unimpressive because they were doing a great job in coverage, rushing the passer, etc? If a defense plays well enough, they can make any QB look bad. I'm not saying that's what happened, just wondering what actually did happen...

If I remember correctly, LSU has had one of the most talented defenses in college football over the last few years.


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Good read, thanks for posting it.


Agreed!

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* worth noting: Manziel played hurt against LSU this year.


I didn't see either of his games against LSU but the first thing I thought when I read those stats about his performances against them was, "what else was happening?". They kept him bottled up in the pocket but how was their coverage. In other words, was he unable to operate effectively because he was bottled up in the pocket or were his stats against LSU unimpressive because they were doing a great job in coverage, rushing the passer, etc? If a defense plays well enough, they can make any QB look bad. I'm not saying that's what happened, just wondering what actually did happen...

If I remember correctly, LSU has had one of the most talented defenses in college football over the last few years.


I can't remember last year's game, but this year they played in very windy and cool conditions (not like he'd have that in the first two years in MPLS, right? :lol: ) and he had an injury (shoulder, I think) that had put his starting in doubt. It was an ugly game. LSU looked great on D and JFB looked flustered. I think it was the worst game I have ever seen him play.


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Johnny Manziel - QB - Player

NFL.com's Gil Brandt has Texas A&M QB Johnny Manziel No. 1 on his draft board.

Brandt is the former VP of player personnel for the Cowboys and known as the Godfather of the draft. His take on Johnny Football: "You are going to get 110 percent out of this guy every day of his life, every play of his life. If you don't have a quarterback, and you want one, I believe this guy has a great chance to be good for a long time. This guy had an inferior team. And he beat Alabama, he beat Oklahoma. He's down 29 to Duke in the last game of his college career, and he's on the sidelines saying, 'There is no way we are going to lose.' This guy's a better version of Fran Tarkenton." ESPN's Mel Kiper Jr. had Manziel going No. 1 overall to the Texans in his first mock draft.
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PROSPECT PROFILE: JOHNNY MANZIEL

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/67 ... ny-manziel

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Having to throw as many passes as he did, it's also impressive that Manziel throws few, if any, passes that defenders can get their hands on. Of the top five quarterbacks I have evaluated so far (Derek Carr, Blake Bortles, Bridgewater, Zach Mettenberger and Manziel), he has the lowest error/interception rate of any of them. Not only does Manziel have the passing skills to succeed in the NFL, but his ability to lead his team and carry them on his back to comebacks consistently has been incredible.


Khalil Mack: http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/67 ... -nfl-draft
Teddy Bridgewater: http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/67 ... ft-profile
Anthony Barr: http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/67 ... h-prospect

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