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Agreed. I'm not sure they should even be the top 3. What really makes Bortles a significantly better pro prospect at the position than Mettenberger or makes Manziel a significantly better pro prospect than Murray? McCarron won 2 national championships playing on one of the most talented teams in the country but he was still the QB on those teams and his performances could have dragged them down instead of helping them to win. Put him in the kind of situations Kaepernick and Wilson landed in (ie: on two of the more talented teams in the league) and maybe he can do what he did in college again. Maybe not ... but is there much more reason to believe Bridgewater would be a better QB?

All of these guys have their good and bad points but to me, not one of them stands out as clearly being a cut above the rest. The only reason to spend a top 10 pick on one of them is if a team is convinced that player IS a cut above the rest (at least as a fit for them) and equally convinced that they won't get another shot at him.


I do believe some QBs will go in the top 10 of this draft. Coaches and GMs buckle under the presssure because their jobs seem to be tied to having a good QB to lead the team to playoffs routinely. So, if a GM has fallen in love with one of the QBs, and they feel comfortable that this kid could keep them employed for next 10 years, they will pull that trigger. And the more GMs that start pulling triggers, causes this chain reaction. Even though we see a group of 8 guys or so that could be good fits, or lead the team. I believe the GMs have it narrowed down to 3-4 guys they are comfortable with, so if 2 of those guys go, they are going to do anything in their power to get one of the remaining ones.. Its why there always seems to be reaches on QBs. When a GM drafts a bad O-Lineman, or DB, or LB. Everyone says it sucks, but they don't generally lose their job over it, unless its an every year occurance. If you are on a QB needy team, and you draft a few bad QBs, you are out of the playoffs, and out of a job. Sort of like in basketball, the game winning/losing shot with no time left on the clock. You may have missed 5 earlier, but make this one, and your a hero. Miss it, and no matter how well you played earlier, your a bum.


I sort of agree with that, but there is something that will get your GM butt fired faster than picking a bust of a QB and that's REACHING for that bust of a QB in the first round. We've argued reaching on this board before so I won't get into that, but if others believe it to be a reach, whether it's the fans, the public, other NFL people, etc, that still creates pressure on that GM. I believe it's actually much safer for GM's to play it "smart" and take what looks like a top prospect -somewhere else- because then it's more like "Well Carr was a bust in the 2nd, but C.J. Mosley's a stud" and so on.

You can say that's kind of what happened to Spielman, though the circumstances are a bit different regarding the picks. Ponder sucks but Matt Kalil, Harrison Smith, Patterson, Rhodes, etc all look pretty solid to me. That of course is over a few drafts but the idea is the same, stay safe with non-qb's in the 1st round, that way when round 2-3 guy doesn't pan out it's not a huge shock. If he takes Carr #8 overall, who I believe will be a bust, and it turns out carr IS a bust, I'll be furious! Granted, who knows how much that matters but I bet I wouldn't be the only one mad about strike #2 at first round QB's.

For this draft especially that tactic seems ultra good / safe.


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I am all in with JFB and I have my fingers crossed that somehow the Vikes take him. High risk maybe /very high reward :!:

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I am all in with JFB and I have my fingers crossed that somehow the Vikes take him. High risk maybe /very high reward :!:


Me too, I have been from the start. The more i think about it, the more I realize that Manziel is the only QB I'd want at 8. If he's not there I'd rather they wait until the 2nd round or late first at the highest (assuming some Spielman maneuvering).

Mayock's take is a good one and only confirms my own impression of Manziel. I also feel pretty certain that Manziel will go in the first 4 picks.


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I think what gets GMs is fired is losing, and very little else. Failing to find a good QB can contribute to losing, of course, but having a good QB doesn't guarantee wins and playoff appearances. Consequently, I think the popular notion that drafting the wrong QB, reaching for a QB, etc. can cause a GM to lose his job confuses the symptom with the cause. A GM who is putting a good team together and making decisions that keep the team competitive year after year can probably last a pretty long time, even if he doesn't strike gold at QB. Sooner or later, striking out at QB will catch up with any GM but I don't think their jobs ride on QB picks to nearly the degree that they ride on the results in the W/L column.

I'd say it's the head coaches whose jobs are tired most closely to the position. They're fates are determined by wins and losses too but as Leslie Frazier just found out, a GM can survive a bust at QB. A coach isn't likely to...

I suspect Zimmer has as much, if not more, riding on the Vikes QB choices over the next year or two as Spielman. YMMV.


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I sort of agree with that, but there is something that will get your GM butt fired faster than picking a bust of a QB and that's REACHING for that bust of a QB in the first round. We've argued reaching on this board before so I won't get into that, but if others believe it to be a reach, whether it's the fans, the public, other NFL people, etc, that still creates pressure on that GM. I believe it's actually much safer for GM's to play it "smart" and take what looks like a top prospect -somewhere else- because then it's more like "Well Carr was a bust in the 2nd, but C.J. Mosley's a stud" and so on.

You can say that's kind of what happened to Spielman, though the circumstances are a bit different regarding the picks. Ponder sucks but Matt Kalil, Harrison Smith, Patterson, Rhodes, etc all look pretty solid to me. That of course is over a few drafts but the idea is the same, stay safe with non-qb's in the 1st round, that way when round 2-3 guy doesn't pan out it's not a huge shock. If he takes Carr #8 overall, who I believe will be a bust, and it turns out carr IS a bust, I'll be furious! Granted, who knows how much that matters but I bet I wouldn't be the only one mad about strike #2 at first round QB's.

For this draft especially that tactic seems ultra good / safe.


Sure, until you pass up Johnny Manziel and he becomes a star* while your nice, "safe" OT pick ends up being the next Robert Gallery and your team still lacks a franchise QB. That kind of situation can hurt a GM as much as drafting a bust at QB.

* Note, I'm not saying Manziel will be a star. I'm just using him as an example.


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Teddy Bridgewater - QB - Player

Even after struggling at his Pro Day, ESPN's Chris Mortensen reported Friday that Louisville QB Teddy Bridgewater's private workouts with NFL clubs "have also gone very shakily."

Mort believes Bridgewater's forthcoming draft-day slide won't occur solely because of his Pro Day. He says Bridgewater's private passing sessions with teams have been underwhelming, too. Mortensen added that teams remain concerned with Bridgewater's smallish hands. Once considered the likely No. 1 overall pick, Bridgewater's fall could ultimately mimic Geno Smith's from last year.

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Teddy Bridgewater - QB - Player

Even after struggling at his Pro Day, ESPN's Chris Mortensen reported Friday that Louisville QB Teddy Bridgewater's private workouts with NFL clubs "have also gone very shakily."

Mort believes Bridgewater's forthcoming draft-day slide won't occur solely because of his Pro Day. He says Bridgewater's private passing sessions with teams have been underwhelming, too. Mortensen added that teams remain concerned with Bridgewater's smallish hands. Once considered the likely No. 1 overall pick, Bridgewater's fall could ultimately mimic Geno Smith's from last year.


Every team that passes on this guy will regret it. Even us. I stand by my proclamation and I am not afraid to suffer the consequences should my proclamation prove to be false.

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Louisville QB Teddy Bridgewater will work out for the Vikings on Saturday.

The Vikings are continuing their quarterback search after meeting with Jimmy Garoppolo on Friday. Bridgewater's private workouts have reportedly gone "very shakily," so he isn't necessarily in play for Minnesota's No. 8 overall pick and could ultimately fall out of the top half of the first round. The Vikings are believed to be high on LSU QB Zach Mettenberger, and have already met with Central Florida's Blake Bortles and Fresno State's Derek Carr. Bridgewater previously visited with the Bucs and Patriots.

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Teddy Bridgewater - QB - Player

Louisville QB Teddy Bridgewater's agent told ProFootballTalk his client has only had one private workout, and the assessment they received was "simply amazing and sharp."

This contradicts a report from ESPN's Chris Mortensen stating Bridgewater had looked shaky in his private workouts -- which is obviously impossible considering he has only had one. There is blood in the water surrounding Bridgewater, and NFL teams will say anything or leak any information if it means a coveted player will fall to them. Lying season is in full swing.

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That last sentence there pretty much sums it up!

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Teddy Bridgewater - QB - Player

Louisville QB Teddy Bridgewater's agent told ProFootballTalk his client has only had one private workout, and the assessment they received was "simply amazing and sharp."

This contradicts a report from ESPN's Chris Mortensen stating Bridgewater had looked shaky in his private workouts -- which is obviously impossible considering he has only had one. There is blood in the water surrounding Bridgewater, and NFL teams will say anything or leak any information if it means a coveted player will fall to them. Lying season is in full swing.

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That last sentence there pretty much sums it up!


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Tom Savage - QB - Player

Pittsburgh QB Tom Savage has declined an invitation to attend the NFL Draft.

Savage has generated significant buzz in recent weeks, so the fact he received an invitation confirms just how high his stock is among NFL decision makers. He's scheduled to visit or work out for as many as 25 teams before the draft. SI's Peter King considers Savage a potential fit for the Texans at No. 33 overall.

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I know that I saw a thread somewhere but I do not feel like trying to find it. I just got home from the movie Draft Day and it is a great movie that most football fans should enjoy. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

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I know that I saw a thread somewhere but I do not feel like trying to find it. I just got home from the movie Draft Day and it is a great movie that most football fans should enjoy. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:


This? viewtopic.php?f=1&t=26863&start=780

But yes, I loved it too. I thought it was neat.

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I saw this on Rotoworld this morning:

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/player ... 496&spln=1

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According to ESPN Stats and Information, Alabama QB AJ McCarron's QBR was better than average in 37 of his 40 career starts.
Not only that, but McCarron had an above average QBR in all 17 games he started against top 25 competition. That's the good news. The bad news is that ESPN reveals that McCarron threw 57 percent of his interceptions last season (four of seven) in the 16 percent of his throws that were under duress. When you couple that skittishness with a lackluster arm -- Rotoworld's Greg Peshek charted McCarron as having the worst adjusted completion percentage (43.24) of passes that traveled 20-plus yards downfield amongst nine quarterbacks evaluated -- you can understand why we'd advise an NFL team to select a different Day 3 developmental QB.


The sentence I've highlighted in bold confuses me. Why would it be bad news that 57% of AJ McCarron's interceptions last season were thrown under duress? Wouldn't the other 43% be more of a concern? It's obviously better if a QB doesn't throw INTs at all but if I were a coach, I'd want all of them to occur as a result of pressure, not just because the QB made a bad throw, a bad read, etc. when he had time and a clean pocket.


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The sentence I've highlighted in bold confuses me. Why would it be bad news that 57% of AJ McCarron's interceptions last season were thrown under duress? Wouldn't the other 43% be more of a concern? It's obviously better if a QB doesn't throw INTs at all but if I were a coach, I'd want all of them to occur as a result of pressure, not just because the QB made a bad throw, a bad read, etc. when he had time and a clean pocket.

I follow your logic, bit I think you'd need to see stats of how other QBs perform to really say that. I'd bet that the best performing QBs _do_ throw most of their INTs due to other factors and are generally disciplined enough not to throw many balls up for grabs when under pressure. The latter is far more likely to result in an interception than a bad read or a poor throw.


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I follow your logic, bit I think you'd need to see stats of how other QBs perform to really say that. I'd bet that the best performing QBs _do_ throw most of their INTs due to other factors and are generally disciplined enough not to throw many balls up for grabs when under pressure. The latter is far more likely to result in an interception than a bad read or a poor throw.


Thanks. That's food for thought. I guess it could reflect poor decision making but as you said, throws made under pressure are more likely to result in an interception so I would expect the stats to reflect that for most QBs. Maybe for the best, they don't? I guess, like so many other stats, this one needs context to have much meaning. For example, is "duress" a rapidly closing pocket that results in a QB's arm getting hit or the inability to follow through on his throw or is "duress" a panicked QB fleeing to escape pressure and hurling the ball into triple coverage?


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Derek Carr gets a pretty strong endorsement (but not a top ten endorsement) from NFL scout Greg Gabriel:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2042 ... -nfl-draft

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In saying that, I do have one quarterback rated higher than any of the others. That player is Fresno's Derek Carr. While I don't believe that Carr is worthy of being drafted in the top 10, I do believe that he will get drafted somewhere in the first round. If I had to select a quarterback he would be my first choice.


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I follow your logic, bit I think you'd need to see stats of how other QBs perform to really say that. I'd bet that the best performing QBs _do_ throw most of their INTs due to other factors and are generally disciplined enough not to throw many balls up for grabs when under pressure. The latter is far more likely to result in an interception than a bad read or a poor throw.


Thanks. That's food for thought. I guess it could reflect poor decision making but as you said, throws made under pressure are more likely to result in an interception so I would expect the stats to reflect that for most QBs. Maybe for the best, they don't? I guess, like so many other stats, this one needs context to have much meaning. For example, is "duress" a rapidly closing pocket that results in a QB's arm getting hit or the inability to follow through on his throw or is "duress" a panicked QB fleeing to escape pressure and hurling the ball into triple coverage?


I'm also curious if this charts a receiver error (running the wrong route, slipping, tipping/bobbling the ball that resulted in a pick) and also just really good plays by a defender?

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Futures: UGA QB Aaron Murray

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The most glaring example of the difference between a good college player and a good NFL player is at the quarterback position. It’s also the position where draftniks and football evaluators have one of the loosest working definitions for the term “developmental prospect.” I’ve seen this term used to describe players judged as undrafted free agents who would be best served looking for work with the Canadian or Arena League just as often as I’ve seen it as a label for a second or third-round prospect.

But it was only a few years ago that the NFL draft had nearly twice the number of rounds, which explains why a third-round player and an undrafted free agent can have the same label. Considering that NFL scouting is still rooted in mid-20th century practices (I’m not talking about some teams’ uses of iPads and databases to track and store information, but the actual concepts and techniques they use to assess players), it shouldn’t be a surprise.

Georgia’s Aaron Murray is a quarterback I’ve seen projected by my colleagues at CBS as a third-round prospect and top-100 player, but whose game matches my working definition of a developmental player. The Bulldog’s four-year starter exhibits sound fundamentals, base accuracy in the passing game, and enough awareness to lead a winning football team in one of the best conferences in college football.

However, Murray also epitomizes the skills gap between big-time college passers and the pro quarterbacks fighting for remaining rosters spots in the NFL. This week’s Futures profiles Murray’s comfort zone and where his inner demons lurk. If the Georgia quarterback can expand his ability to translate what he’s learning in the classroom to what he does on the field, he could have a career as a capable backup. However, I think the third-round grade is an optimistic assessment.

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Mayock re-ranks his QBs (and other positions): http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200000 ... -nfl-draft

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1. Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M
2. Blake Bortles, Central Florida
3. Derek Carr, Fresno State
4. Jimmy Garoppolo, Eastern Illinois
T-5. Zach Mettenberger, LSU
T-5. Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville



All I have to say is SWERVE Mike. Yet another analyst has fallen victim to conformity and over-analysis. There is no way in HELL that Jimmy Garoppolo and Zach Mettenberger are better QBs than Bridewater. What an asinine ranking of his QBs.

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Mayock re-ranks his QBs (and other positions): http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200000 ... -nfl-draft

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1. Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M
2. Blake Bortles, Central Florida
3. Derek Carr, Fresno State
4. Jimmy Garoppolo, Eastern Illinois
T-5. Zach Mettenberger, LSU
T-5. Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville



All I have to say is SWERVE Mike. Yet another analyst has fallen victim to conformity and over-analysis. There is no way in HELL that Jimmy Garoppolo and Zach Mettenberger are better QBs than Bridewater. What an asinine ranking of his QBs.


I've read he's really putting a lot of emphasis on that "bad" pro day.

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Mayock re-ranks his QBs (and other positions): http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200000 ... -nfl-draft

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1. Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M
2. Blake Bortles, Central Florida
3. Derek Carr, Fresno State
4. Jimmy Garoppolo, Eastern Illinois
T-5. Zach Mettenberger, LSU
T-5. Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville



All I have to say is SWERVE Mike. Yet another analyst has fallen victim to conformity and over-analysis. There is no way in HELL that Jimmy Garoppolo and Zach Mettenberger are better QBs than Bridewater. What an asinine ranking of his QBs.


LOL! How do you really feel about it, my friend? ;)

If, as dead_poet said, Mayock is putting a lot of emphasis on Bridgewater's pro day than that's probably a mistake. However, even though I don't agree with Mayock's assessment, I will say that it's not a question of who is the better QB now but who projects better into the pros. Garoppolo played for a small school and Mettenberger has his own issues but they don't have the questions about size and "frame" than seem to nag Bridgewater. i definitely feel he's been over-analyzed.

In the end, it's all somewhat farcical as the analysts try to figure out where to rank these QBs and we all react to their opinions. Nobody has a clue who will actually succeed in the pros.


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Warning: Rant incoming.

What irks me is the way in which Bridgewater's stock is dropping. Scouts have had years to evaluate Bridgewater. For months, there was nothing but positive talk about Bridgewater. Now, all of the sudden, Bridgewater is tainted.

Bridgewater's stock is not dropping due to off the field issues. If that were the case, I could understand it. However, to my and anyone's knowledge, there are no off the field issues present. His stock is not dropping because the NFL scouting community found a 'lost tape of suckitude' that centers on Bridgewater. His stock is not dropping due to injury. So what exactly is causing his stock to drop? A Pro Day performance and conformity.

Teddy had one bad Pro Day and now he suddenly 'sucks.' A Pro Day. A day in which a quarterback does essentially the same thing he did at the Combine, save for more individual attention and a few more drills. Was his Pro Day less than stellar? Sure. However, if one is going to use one's Pro Day as the basis for how a guy is going to perform in the NFL, they have zero credibility. The fact that the media has the audacity to sit there and tell me that a guy who was once the top overall quarterback prospect in the draft suddenly displays, as one analyst put it, 'fourth round talent' because of a #### pro day performance is pathetic. I am not buying it.

Media conformity is killing this guy's stock and I cannot help but feel sorry for him. In this day and age of endless information and connectivity, it is not surprising how popular opinion can be formed. A couple of scouts and media types didn't like Bridgewater's Pro Day. Although I don't know the exact origin, the 'Bridgewater sucks' bandwagon has gained constant passengers ever since his Pro Day because of those who didn't like Bridgewater's performance. Sometimes the smallest voices can become endless echoes if enough people join in on the shouting. I feel this is exactly what is happening with Bridgewater. Many of these 'experts' are hypocrites in their own right. They just want to appear that they know what they are talking about by joining in on the Bridgewater sucks bandwagon. Yet, many of these 'experts' were the same ones who were touting Bridgewater as the best, or second best, quarterback in this draft just back in February.

Those who are fixated on the media's opinion of Bridgewater should go watch the 'tape' and form their own opinion. I am not an NFL scout. I am an amateur. However, I believe I know more than enough about football to realize when a player has the ability to play football well. Bridgewater has the ability to play good football in the NFL. I admittedly am not a Louisville student nor am I fan. I didn't watch Bridgewater every Saturday. I have not gone over countless hours of film breaking him down. However, I have watched him enough to see that he is football smart. I have seen that he has an above average arm. I have seen that he knows how to place a ball for a receiver to catch it. Above all, I have seen that Bridgewater is decisive with the football. Is that to say no other quarterback in this draft possess these traits? No. However, in my opinion, Bridgewater (compared to the other quarterbacks in the draft) displays these traits better than anyone else in the draft.


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Good rant. :appl: Excellent points, as well.

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Warning: Rant incoming.

What irks me is the way in which Bridgewater's stock is dropping. Scouts have had years to evaluate Bridgewater. For months, there was nothing but positive talk about Bridgewater. Now, all of the sudden, Bridgewater is tainted.

Bridgewater's stock is not dropping due to off the field issues. If that were the case, I could understand it. However, to my and anyone's knowledge, there are no off the field issues present. His stock is not dropping because the NFL scouting community found a 'lost tape of suckitude' that centers on Bridgewater. His stock is not dropping due to injury. So what exactly is causing his stock to drop? A Pro Day performance and conformity.

Teddy had one bad Pro Day and now he suddenly 'sucks.' A Pro Day. A day in which a quarterback does essentially the same thing he did at the Combine, save for more individual attention and a few more drills. Was his Pro Day less than stellar? Sure. However, if one is going to use one's Pro Day as the basis for how a guy is going to perform in the NFL, they have zero credibility. The fact that the media has the audacity to sit there and tell me that a guy who was once the top overall quarterback prospect in the draft suddenly displays, as one analyst put it, 'fourth round talent' because of a #### pro day performance is pathetic. I am not buying it.

Media conformity is killing this guy's stock and I cannot help but feel sorry for him. In this day and age of endless information and connectivity, it is not surprising how popular opinion can be formed. A couple of scouts and media types didn't like Bridgewater's Pro Day. Although I don't know the exact origin, the 'Bridgewater sucks' bandwagon has gained constant passengers ever since his Pro Day because of those who didn't like Bridgewater's performance. Sometimes the smallest voices can become endless echoes if enough people join in on the shouting. I feel this is exactly what is happening with Bridgewater. Many of these 'experts' are hypocrites in their own right. They just want to appear that they know what they are talking about by joining in on the Bridgewater sucks bandwagon. Yet, many of these 'experts' were the same ones who were touting Bridgewater as the best, or second best, quarterback in this draft just back in February.

Those who are fixated on the media's opinion of Bridgewater should go watch the 'tape' and form their own opinion. I am not an NFL scout. I am an amateur. However, I believe I know more than enough about football to realize when a player has the ability to play football well. Bridgewater has the ability to play good football in the NFL. I admittedly am not a Louisville student nor am I fan. I didn't watch Bridgewater every Saturday. I have not gone over countless hours of film breaking him down. However, I have watched him enough to see that he is football smart. I have seen that he has an above average arm. I have seen that he knows how to place a ball for a receiver to catch it. Above all, I have seen that Bridgewater is decisive with the football. Is that to say no other quarterback in this draft possess these traits? No. However, in my opinion, Bridgewater (compared to the other quarterbacks in the draft) displays these traits better than anyone else in the draft.

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Good rant!

I wonder if the assessment of the actual NFL scouting community has really changed much or if it's the media whose assessment has changed. Were the scouts for NFL teams ever truly rating Bridgewater as the best QB available and a player worthy of a high first round pick or did the media just have a different read on him, hype him up and then get wind of how NFL teams were viewing him and start adjusting their boards?

I have no idea how to answer that but I think it's a possibility.


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This might make you feel a little better, HardcoreVikesFan:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/teddy-brid ... 27675.html


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This might make you feel a little better, HardcoreVikesFan:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/teddy-brid ... 27675.html


I'm wondering about previous cases like this. Didn't Bradford have similar issues pop up? And Matt Leinart was the one I can recall, he was a top 5 guy his junior year, went back, and didn't seem like his stock plummeted until later on? Maybe I'm misremembering. Or forgetting some other players.

There's also the chance his stock is still high with some/most teams and all this negative press coming out now is just what's being fed to the media to try and lower his stock?


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Mothman wrote:
This might make you feel a little better, HardcoreVikesFan:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/teddy-brid ... 27675.html


I'm wondering about previous cases like this. Didn't Bradford have similar issues pop up? And Matt Leinart was the one I can recall, he was a top 5 guy his junior year, went back, and didn't seem like his stock plummeted until later on? Maybe I'm misremembering. Or forgetting some other players.

There's also the chance his stock is still high with some/most teams and all this negative press coming out now is just what's being fed to the media to try and lower his stock?


That's definitely possible.

I don't remember much in regard to the pre-draft talk about Bradford but you're right about Leinart.


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This might make you feel a little better, HardcoreVikesFan:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/teddy-brid ... 27675.html


Thank you for finding that article. That article is poignant and very much in line with how I feel.


It is hard to say, but as the article suggested, the NFL is a copycat league. It wouldn't surprise me in the least bit in the sentiment about Bridgewater that is currently in the media is the same as the sentiment that is in the NFL scouting community.

As Demi pointed out, I have never seen this kind of draft stock plummeting in a guy who did nothing wrong (on-field and off-field). The only guys that come close are Jake Locker and Matt Lineart. I suppose Geno Smith and Matt Barkley last year are examples too.


Honestly, we will not find out until draft day. I have a sinking feeling that Bridgewater has become tainted and that we will pass on him if we have a chance to draft him.

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