View unanswered posts | View active topics It is currently Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:48 pm



Reply to topic  [ 43 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next
 Keenan Allen's pro day 

Is Allen still a 1st round pick?
Yes 33%  33%  [ 6 ]
No 39%  39%  [ 7 ]
Unsure 28%  28%  [ 5 ]
Total votes : 18

 Keenan Allen's pro day 
Author Message
Starter
User avatar

Joined: Sun Feb 24, 2013 2:27 am
Posts: 131
Location: Braham, Minnesota
Post Keenan Allen's pro day
Ran a 4.71 40 according to Mike Mayock.

Dr. James Andrew said the knee itself is 100% but the surrounding muscle is only about 75%

I predict a slide for the former first round lock

_________________
In victory,magnanimity; In defeat, defiance! - Fredrick The Great


Image


Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:26 pm
Profile
Pro Bowl Elite Player
User avatar

Joined: Tue Feb 24, 2004 4:21 pm
Posts: 533
Location: Kentucky
Post Re: Keenan Allen's pro day
I've been on his bandwagon for a while. If he has a chance to fall, maybe draft best defensive player available with one of the 2 firsts, then trade back into the mid 30's with the other pick & pickup an extra 3rd/4th & take best wideout left in the 35-40 range.


Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:39 pm
Profile
Defensive Tackle
User avatar

Joined: Wed Mar 26, 2003 11:48 am
Posts: 37200
Location: Chicago, IL
Post Re: Keenan Allen's pro day
CaptainKirov wrote:
Ran a 4.71 40 according to Mike Mayock.

Dr. James Andrew said the knee itself is 100% but the surrounding muscle is only about 75%

I predict a slide for the former first round lock


It's definitely possible. I think it will depend on how teams evaluate that injury and how they expect other interested teams to react to it. I doubt the 40 times will have much influence on where he's selected.


Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:48 pm
Profile
Starter
User avatar

Joined: Sun Feb 24, 2013 2:27 am
Posts: 131
Location: Braham, Minnesota
Post Re: Keenan Allen's pro day
Mothman wrote:
CaptainKirov wrote:
Ran a 4.71 40 according to Mike Mayock.

Dr. James Andrew said the knee itself is 100% but the surrounding muscle is only about 75%

I predict a slide for the former first round lock


It's definitely possible. I think it will depend on how teams evaluate that injury and how they expect other interested teams to react to it. I doubt the 40 times will have much influence on where he's selected.


He's a WR. Its one of the few positions that actually need the 40. Most linebackers can run faster than a 4.7. He'd be easy to cover with that kind of speed.

_________________
In victory,magnanimity; In defeat, defiance! - Fredrick The Great


Image


Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:51 pm
Profile
Commissioner
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 31, 2007 2:30 pm
Posts: 23176
Location: Des Moines, Iowa
Post Re: Keenan Allen's pro day
Keenan Allen - WR - Golden Bears

NFL.com's Mike Mayock says he was told by scouts that Cal WR Keenan Allen is a 4.55 player on tape.

Allen ran a 4.71 and 4.75 40-yard dashes at his pro day, per Mayock, and the comments from the scouts comes as no surprise. Allen is a big, physical wide receiver that is a better athlete than he times and is very versatile. He can line up all over the formation and create matchup problems for defenses in ways similar to Miles Austin. Mayock said Allen could go anywhere from pick 25 to 45.
Source: NFL.com

_________________
“Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that.” --- Bill Shankly


Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:01 pm
Profile
Defensive Tackle
User avatar

Joined: Wed Mar 26, 2003 11:48 am
Posts: 37200
Location: Chicago, IL
Post Re: Keenan Allen's pro day
CaptainKirov wrote:
He's a WR. Its one of the few positions that actually need the 40. Most linebackers can run faster than a 4.7. He'd be easy to cover with that kind of speed.


Yes, but that's almost certainly not an accurate indication of his actual speed and teams know it so why place significant emphasis on 40 times that probably aren't indicative of how he can actually run in a game situation when healthy? Speed was never Allen's main selling point anyway so if teams feel confident in his health and like what they saw of his WR skills in the workout, the 40 times probably won't make much of a difference.


Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:07 pm
Profile
Hall of Famer
User avatar

Joined: Sun Sep 12, 2004 5:52 pm
Posts: 7946
Post Re: Keenan Allen's pro day
The obvious implication in the report is that Allen isn't yet back to 100% and would likely run faster after he's completely rehabbed.

I'm surprised more undergrads, especially receivers and running backs, don't do pro days or something similar when they're healthy, just to get things like their 40 times and vertical and broad jump numbers on paper. Then if they get hurt during their senior seasons and can't run at either the combine or their senior pro day, it wouldn't hurt their draft stock as much.


Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:13 pm
Profile
Commissioner
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 31, 2007 2:30 pm
Posts: 23176
Location: Des Moines, Iowa
Post Re: Keenan Allen's pro day
Eli wrote:
I'm surprised more undergrads, especially receivers and running backs, don't do pro days or something similar when they're healthy, just to get things like their 40 times and vertical and broad jump numbers on paper.


Do you mean during the season, prior to the combine? If what I read is correct, there's a fair amount of training that goes into the combine and drills that they prepare for during the interim. I'm also not sure the process to get it "official", or if it can even be done during the season.

_________________
“Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that.” --- Bill Shankly


Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:18 pm
Profile
Career Elite Player
User avatar

Joined: Fri Nov 11, 2011 1:10 am
Posts: 2229
Location: Seattle, Wa
Post Re: Keenan Allen's pro day
Forget the 40 for a second. It's not an end all for WR's. Ask Jerry Rice, CC, Boldin, and Fitzgerald what they think about the 40-yard dash.

A hampering knee injury and an inability to stretch the field are my concerns with Allen. He got a lot of cushion from CB's in college and the luxury of going against LB's and Safety's. I worry once he goes against top flight CB talent consistenly, if he still shows the same promise.


Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:40 pm
Profile
Starter
User avatar

Joined: Sun Feb 24, 2013 2:27 am
Posts: 131
Location: Braham, Minnesota
Post Re: Keenan Allen's pro day
PacificNorseWest wrote:
Forget the 40 for a second. It's not an end all for WR's. Ask Jerry Rice, CC, Boldin, and Fitzgerald what they think about the 40-yard dash.

A hampering knee injury and an inability to stretch the field are my concerns with Allen. He got a lot of cushion from CB's in college and the luxury of going against LB's and Safety's. I worry once he goes against top flight CB talent consistenly, if he still shows the same promise.


I dont normally buy into 40 times much. But when hes got a 40 time similar to Manti Te'o's i get a little worried

_________________
In victory,magnanimity; In defeat, defiance! - Fredrick The Great


Image


Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:43 pm
Profile
Hall of Famer
User avatar

Joined: Sun Sep 12, 2004 5:52 pm
Posts: 7946
Post Re: Keenan Allen's pro day
He has plenty of time to rehab the knee completely by the time training camp rolls around. The only fear is that the injury could turn out to be a chronic one, and I haven't seen any suggestions to that effect.


Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:45 pm
Profile
Defensive Tackle
User avatar

Joined: Wed Mar 26, 2003 11:48 am
Posts: 37200
Location: Chicago, IL
Post Re: Keenan Allen's pro day
PacificNorseWest wrote:
Forget the 40 for a second. It's not an end all for WR's. Ask Jerry Rice, CC, Boldin, and Fitzgerald what they think about the 40-yard dash.

A hampering knee injury and an inability to stretch the field are my concerns with Allen. He got a lot of cushion from CB's in college and the luxury of going against LB's and Safety's. I worry once he goes against top flight CB talent consistenly, if he still shows the same promise.


That's a legitimate concern, although there's reason to worry about how any college WR will fare against the better overall quality of DB they'll face at the next level.

Is there any compelling reason to believe Allen will still be hampered by that injury 4 months after the draft when the season begins? That's not sarcasm, I'm actually asking...

The inability to stretch the field only strikes me as a concern if that's what someone is drafting him to do and that seems unlikely since he's not perceived as a speedy, field-stretching receiver in the first place.

CaptainKirov wrote:
I dont normally buy into 40 times much. But when hes got a 40 time similar to Manti Te'o's i get a little worried


You posted the info that the muscle surrounding his knee is only about 75% yourself. Don't you think that may have had an impact on his 40 time?

40 times aren't that indicative of how a receiver can run anyway. After all, they aren't running 40 yard dashes on the field very often. They're making cuts, double moves, veering a route inside and taking it out, etc. Acceleration out of a break means as much or more as a straight timed dash.


Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:53 pm
Profile
Hall of Famer
User avatar

Joined: Thu Dec 28, 2006 6:28 pm
Posts: 6594
Post Re: Keenan Allen's pro day
Yes he is. There is little doubt in my mind he gets past New England or Baltimore.

_________________
A Randy Moss fan for life. A Kevin Williams fan for life.


Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:54 pm
Profile
Commissioner

Joined: Sun Dec 12, 2004 4:24 pm
Posts: 23761
Post Re: Keenan Allen's pro day
Not worth the risk at all!


Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:34 pm
Profile
Hall of Famer
User avatar

Joined: Sun Sep 12, 2004 5:52 pm
Posts: 7946
Post Re: Keenan Allen's pro day
Demi wrote:
Not worth the risk at all!


Excellent analysis.


Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:40 pm
Profile
Starter
User avatar

Joined: Sun Feb 24, 2013 2:27 am
Posts: 131
Location: Braham, Minnesota
Post Re: Keenan Allen's pro day
HardcoreVikesFan wrote:
Yes he is. There is little doubt in my mind he gets past New England or Baltimore.


Teams like NE or BAL can afford to draft him. They already have a decent set of WRs and wont have to lean on him like we might have to. Jennings will not be able to do it alone. The rookie we draft is going to need to be an immediate contributor.

_________________
In victory,magnanimity; In defeat, defiance! - Fredrick The Great


Image


Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:44 pm
Profile
Commissioner

Joined: Sun Dec 12, 2004 4:24 pm
Posts: 23761
Post Re: Keenan Allen's pro day
Eli wrote:
Demi wrote:
Not worth the risk at all!


Excellent analysis.


What's there to analyze? The facts are all right there for people to see.

He's off my board entirely.

:thumb:


Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:47 pm
Profile
Defensive Tackle
User avatar

Joined: Wed Mar 26, 2003 11:48 am
Posts: 37200
Location: Chicago, IL
Post Re: Keenan Allen's pro day
Demi wrote:
What's there to analyze? The facts are all right there for people to see.

He's off my board entirely.

:thumb:


NFL GMs are undoubtedly lunging to adjust their boards accordingly. ;)


Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:00 pm
Profile
Commissioner
User avatar

Joined: Thu Mar 27, 2003 9:47 am
Posts: 10040
Location: Burbank, California
Post Re: Keenan Allen's pro day
I voted that Allen shouldn't be a first round pick. But I felt that way long before he performed at the Pro Day. And I don't care about his 40 time, since I seriously doubt the Vikings would draft Allen because of his speed. They would be looking for a constant chain mover and someone who can make tough catches in the end zone, in my view. Is that Allen? I have my doubts, but the Vikings scouting staff will research him far more than I can. I'm just going by what I've seen of Allen in actual games.

Ahem...maybe Allen deliberately underperformed whenever he knew I was watching. :D

Folks, I'm telling you I honestly don't feel there is a sure thing among any of the WRs in this draft. Don't get me wrong now. I really like what some of these guys bring to the field and it won't surprise me the least bit if several of them *develop* (key word here) into big time NFL players. Heck, that could even happen with Allen.

However, that said, while I once wanted the Vikings to pick a receiver in R1 (and I'm fine with them still doing that), I now think it would be a good idea if they got their WR in R2. And I believe some good ones will still be available to them at that time. Go with MLB and maybe CB or DT in R1.


Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:44 am
Profile
Hall of Famer

Joined: Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:53 pm
Posts: 8438
Post Re: Keenan Allen's pro day
losperros wrote:
I voted that Allen shouldn't be a first round pick. But I felt that way long before he performed at the Pro Day. And I don't care about his 40 time, since I seriously doubt the Vikings would draft Allen because of his speed. They would be looking for a constant chain mover and someone who can make tough catches in the end zone, in my view. Is that Allen? I have my doubts, but the Vikings scouting staff will research him far more than I can. I'm just going by what I've seen of Allen in actual games.

Ahem...maybe Allen deliberately underperformed whenever he knew I was watching. :D

Folks, I'm telling you I honestly don't feel there is a sure thing among any of the WRs in this draft. Don't get me wrong now. I really like what some of these guys bring to the field and it won't surprise me the least bit if several of them *develop* (key word here) into big time NFL players. Heck, that could even happen with Allen.

However, that said, while I once wanted the Vikings to pick a receiver in R1 (and I'm fine with them still doing that), I now think it would be a good idea if they got their WR in R2. And I believe some good ones will still be available to them at that time. Go with MLB and maybe CB or DT in R1.


That's why I want Robert Woods, there is no total package height / weight / speed combination in this draft. Lot of these guys have some speed like Austin but severely lacking in the height / weight department. Then there is allen who has the size but lacks elite speed. Woods to me is basically Anquan Boldin, pretty much average in all the physical categories but probably the best when it comes to WR skills. Sure in a normal year you take Megatron, AJ green, Brandon Marshal, etc but there aren't any of those guys. Hopefully that means he'll be available in the 2nd round as well because of it and if you told anyone they could get Boldin's production in the second round I'm sure they'd be happy to do it.


Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:27 pm
Profile
Commissioner
User avatar

Joined: Thu Mar 27, 2003 9:47 am
Posts: 10040
Location: Burbank, California
Post Re: Keenan Allen's pro day
mondry wrote:
That's why I want Robert Woods, there is no total package height / weight / speed combination in this draft. Lot of these guys have some speed like Austin but severely lacking in the height / weight department. Then there is allen who has the size but lacks elite speed. Woods to me is basically Anquan Boldin, pretty much average in all the physical categories but probably the best when it comes to WR skills. Sure in a normal year you take Megatron, AJ green, Brandon Marshal, etc but there aren't any of those guys. Hopefully that means he'll be available in the 2nd round as well because of it and if you told anyone they could get Boldin's production in the second round I'm sure they'd be happy to do it.


Woods is another guy I had the pleasure of watching in full games and I think highly of him. As for his speed, the guy may not be a burner but he's very quick, even a good returner when needed. Another very important part of Woods' game is that USC used to move him around, meaning he can play the slot, wide out, or flanker without missing a beat. Woods is that versatile and (at least in my view) a much more complete talent then Keenan Allen.


Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:35 pm
Profile
Career Elite Player
User avatar

Joined: Fri Nov 11, 2011 1:10 am
Posts: 2229
Location: Seattle, Wa
Post Re: Keenan Allen's pro day
Quote:
Woods is that versatile and (at least in my view) a much more complete talent then Keenan Allen.


No doubt.


Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:38 pm
Profile
Commissioner
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 31, 2007 2:30 pm
Posts: 23176
Location: Des Moines, Iowa
Post Re: Keenan Allen's pro day
PacificNorseWest wrote:
Quote:
Woods is that versatile and (at least in my view) a much more complete talent then Keenan Allen.


No doubt.


I'm starting to want Woods the same way I wanted Hakeem Nicks in '09. I just don't think he's going to be available in R2 unless we do some maneuvering.

_________________
“Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that.” --- Bill Shankly


Wed Apr 10, 2013 1:48 pm
Profile
Commissioner
User avatar

Joined: Thu Mar 27, 2003 9:47 am
Posts: 10040
Location: Burbank, California
Post Re: Keenan Allen's pro day
dead_poet wrote:
PacificNorseWest wrote:
Quote:
Woods is that versatile and (at least in my view) a much more complete talent then Keenan Allen.


No doubt.


I'm starting to want Woods the same way I wanted Hakeem Nicks in '09. I just don't think he's going to be available in R2 unless we do some maneuvering.


Yes, basically that's what I mean. I think the Vikings may have to trade up to get Woods in R2. However, since it's a trade in the same round, I doubt that they would have to give up anything too painful.


Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:22 pm
Profile
Hall of Fame Candidate
User avatar

Joined: Sat Aug 18, 2012 9:52 am
Posts: 3434
Post Re: Keenan Allen's pro day
The other option is to trade down from 25; the exchange value would be a high 2nd (38-40 area) and a high 3rd. That extra 4th that we picked up last year via Spielman's smart dealings w/ Cleveland may give us the ammunition we need to move up w/in the 2nd. I think I'd rather do that than move down from 25.

I'm on board with Woods. Sounds like a high character guy too. Kalil will surely have debriefed our scouts on his take.


Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:48 pm
Profile
Commissioner
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 31, 2007 2:30 pm
Posts: 23176
Location: Des Moines, Iowa
Post Re: Keenan Allen's pro day
Texas Vike wrote:
The other option is to trade down from 25; the exchange value would be a high 2nd (38-40 area) and a high 3rd. That extra 4th that we picked up last year via Spielman's smart dealings w/ Cleveland may give us the ammunition we need to move up w/in the 2nd. I think I'd rather do that than move down from 25.

I'm on board with Woods. Sounds like a high character guy too. Kalil will surely have debriefed our scouts on his take.


I like either of those scenarios. I worry about him getting past New England in round 1 though.

I'm not even concerned about Woods' character. I think he'd be a great addition to the locker room/community. I'm more concerned with his ability and ankle.

_________________
“Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that.” --- Bill Shankly


Wed Apr 10, 2013 3:25 pm
Profile
Backup
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:22 pm
Posts: 75
Post Re: Keenan Allen's pro day
i think the steal of the draft and eventually best WR is going to be Dobson. size speed and hands. Go herd


Wed Apr 10, 2013 3:58 pm
Profile
Commissioner
User avatar

Joined: Thu Mar 27, 2003 9:47 am
Posts: 10040
Location: Burbank, California
Post Re: Keenan Allen's pro day
big deli Vike wrote:
i think the steal of the draft and eventually best WR is going to be Dobson. size speed and hands. Go herd



I'm happy to see more people on the board appreciating Aaron Dobson. Personally, I would be delighted if the Vikings picked him.

BTW, I'm not convinced the Vikings are going to pick only one WR. I think they'll select two.


Wed Apr 10, 2013 4:01 pm
Profile
Backup
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:22 pm
Posts: 75
Post Re: Keenan Allen's pro day
losperros wrote:
big deli Vike wrote:
i think the steal of the draft and eventually best WR is going to be Dobson. size speed and hands. Go herd



I'm happy to see more people on the board appreciating Aaron Dobson. Personally, I would be delighted if the Vikings picked him.

BTW, I'm not convinced the Vikings are going to pick only one WR. I think they'll select two.


They better pick two. I definitely appreciate Dobson. Went to a Marshall game in Huntington in 2010 and didnt really know about him then but love that team. Back then it was all about that athlete guy Troy evans that got arrested


Wed Apr 10, 2013 4:49 pm
Profile
Starter
User avatar

Joined: Sun Feb 24, 2013 2:27 am
Posts: 131
Location: Braham, Minnesota
Post Re: Keenan Allen's pro day
i love me some Aaron Dobson

_________________
In victory,magnanimity; In defeat, defiance! - Fredrick The Great


Image


Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:00 am
Profile
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Reply to topic   [ 43 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group.
Designed by STSoftware.