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Oh boy oh boy. Everson Griffen AND Tank Carradine? Damn. That would be pretty scary.


You're getting more excited for two guys who've never started at DE in the NFL than for Jared Allen and Brian Robison?


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Vikings GM Rick Spielman intrigued w trading down from 23 or 25. Does not see likelihood of trading up.

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Spielman says lot of interest from teams in 23/25. "The phone has been … the most active it’s been in awhile because of where we’re picking"

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Spielman says #Vikings put in more time than ever with two 1st-round picks, still had coaches out doing workouts late last week.

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ESPN Blogger Mock: http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/ ... mock-draft

Kevin Seifert has us picking Sylvester Williams and DJ Hayden.

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23 and 25. Minnesota Vikings

My picks: North Carolina defensive tackle Sylvester Williams, Houston cornerback D.J. Hayden

Final decision: Between Williams, Hayden, Cal receiver Keenan Allen, Notre Dame linebacker Manti Te'o

Process and reasoning: I really do think that Vikings general manager Rick Spielman has genuine interest in Te'o and wants to draft him. In looking back on this mock, I just got too greedy and sneaky for my own good.

I had enough ammunition to move up, but for whom? Tennessee receiver Cordarrelle Patterson went way too high (No. 8 to the Buffalo Bills), and West Virginia's Tavon Austin was gone at No. 13. Is Austin worth even an extra second-round pick to the Vikings? I couldn't do it.

Ogletree plays a position of need, but I felt sketchy about giving up extra draft choices for a player with multiple off-field flags in the past year.

So my plan was to grab two really good non-middle linebackers and then cross my fingers that someone, perhaps even Te'o, would be available in the second round, where Spielman could work some trade magic and grab one. It almost worked. Te'o made it to No. 32, where the Baltimore Ravens drafted him just after learning that Rolando McClain had been arrested once again.

Media analysis is split on whether Te'o is significantly better than the next tier of middle linebackers, and most people think the Vikings are most interested in him. So if the Vikings passed, I thought there was a chance he would tumble. In the end, that's why I passed him over even though I'm not sure Spielman will.

As for receiver, I had my eyes on Tennessee's Justin Hunter, but he went one slot ahead at No. 22. So I went with Williams, who could be a long-term replacement for Kevin Williams, and Hayden. I had a small chance to trade down, but the best offer I got to move from No. 25 to the top of the second round at No. 35 was an additional fifth-round pick. Not good enough. The cornerback class drops off after the first round, and Washington's Desmond Trufant was already off the board. In this scenario, the Vikings would be in position to maneuver in the second round for a receiver. Among those who are left is Clemson's DeAndre Hopkins.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/tag/_ ... loggermock

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Manti Te'o is all over the board. Does Seifert really think there's a chance he could fall to the late 2nd round? That would be a shock. If the Vikings take two defenders in the 1st round, the 2nd round pick is guaranteed to be a receiver, no matter who's left on the board.


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According to NFL.com's Albert Breer, "some" teams view the Rams' No. 22 pick as a "potential landing place" for clubs that want to move up and draft a quarterback in the back half of round one.

Our tentative expectation is West Virginia's Geno Smith, USC's Matt Barkley, Florida State's E.J. Manuel, and NC State's Mike Glennon will still all be on the board at the 22nd pick. The Rams will likely use their earlier first-rounder (No. 16) on a wide receiver or perhaps safety, but the 22nd pick may very well be for sale. Clubs potentially interested in a deal like this might include the Jaguars, Eagles, Cardinals, Jets, and Bills.
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It's interesting, but you gotta think Minnesota is better poised with 23 and 25 being (theoretically) "cheaper" than 22. Let's hope for a run on QBs. Not only would this mean more potential trade compensation, but also possibility of better players at other positions being available.

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Maybe they're worried the Vikes will be targetting a QB with one of them. :twisted:


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I thought spielman was super quiet this year. Time for some last minute smoke and mirrors after reports of wanting to both trade back and trade up.

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Why would anyone want to "land" at #22 to take a QB when the next picks are

#23 Vikings
#24 Colts
#25 Vikings
#26 Packers

none of whom will be picking a QB? Nor will Texas, Denver or New England. In fact, it doesn't look like anyone in the bottom half of the first round is likely to target a QB.


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Why would anyone want to "land" at #22 to take a QB when the next picks are

#23 Vikings
#24 Colts
#25 Vikings
#26 Packers

none of whom will be picking a QB? Nor will Texas, Denver or New England. In fact, it doesn't look like anyone in the bottom half of the first round is likely to target a QB.


The short answer is, because other QB needy teams can also trade up.


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HardcoreVikesFan wrote:
Oh boy oh boy. Everson Griffen AND Tank Carradine? Damn. That would be pretty scary.


You're getting more excited for two guys who've never started at DE in the NFL than for Jared Allen and Brian Robison?


Aside from the overexcitement, Jared Allen is in a contract year (as is Robison). Couldn't hurt if you end up taking a DE in that situation. If you take contract status into account, the Vikes have a pretty broad range of needs.

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Considering how many young quarterbacks there are around the league right now, my gut tells me that a lot of GMs will give their young, struggling guy another year to improve their game.

This is one of those years where the only teams that are really needy for a quarterback (because their old one retired or moved on) have either spent way too much trading for their new guy, or they figure that they're better off taking a guy later. You have Blaine Gabbert, then think about Mike Glennon, and you can't help but think that's just a equal ratio of talent. Put Geno Smith up against Sam Bradford or Ryan Mallett, it's almost the same story. I can probably see the Browns taking one of those guys high though. Weeden seems pretty much like a flop to me, and the guy's 29. They'd have to start developing another quarterback sooner or later anyway.

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Evan Silva's final two-round mock: http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/4 ... mock-draft

23: Patterson
25: Te'o
52: Sylvester Williams

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Dude I like following on Twitter @NFLphilosophy mock:

http://nflphilosophy.com/2013-nfl-philo ... ock-draft/

23: Hopkins
25: Sharrif Floyd

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Floyd wont last past 15. Would be awesome though.


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Tyrann Mathieu - DB - Player

Out of 12 NFL personnel people polled by the Journal-Sentinel, nine said they would not draft LSU CB/PR Tyrann Mathieu or sign him as a free agent.

"He's a hell of a punt returner, but he's not that great a player," one personnel man said. "Besides, we got enough guys on our team that smoke dope. Why do I want one that might be smoking it in his room the night before a game?" Mathieu's marijuana issues have been well documented, but he passed his Combine drug test and appears to have turned a corner. There's enough talent here that a team will take a shot on Day 2 of the draft. "I did not want to like him, but he is fantastic," another scout said. "I know he's 5-8 3/4, but when you watch that tape all he does is make plays, and he's an excellent returner."
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Guys...I'm excited :lol:

I don't think I've ever been so excited for a draft. I wish it was still the old format though. I would love to wake up Saturday morning and zone out all day on some NFL Draft.


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NFL Film guru Greg Cosell:

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Cornerback is arguably the deepest position within this draft. Which cornerback has impressed you the most and why?

That’s easy for me—the cornerback that has impressed me the most might surprise a lot of people: D.J. Hayden (University of Houston). There’s a medical concern with him because he had a life-threatening injury that is not normally associated with a football injury. I believe he’s been medically cleared, but when you have that kind of injury, there’s definitely a concern. However, I think D.J. Hayden has the most complete skill set of any CB in this draft, including Dee Milliner and Xavier Rhodes.

I don’t believe Hayden will be the first CB taken, but I don’t know where he’d stand if there was no medical concern. I believe, with his combination of movement, aggressiveness, competitiveness, playing personality, and the fact that he’s a very physical and willing run-support defender, that D.J. Hayden is the most multi-dimensional corner in this draft.

http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2013/04/23/greg ... qa-part-2/

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I'm starting to hope for a combination of Hayden/Hopkins/Sylvester Williams

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NFL Film guru Greg Cosell:

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Cornerback is arguably the deepest position within this draft. Which cornerback has impressed you the most and why?

That’s easy for me—the cornerback that has impressed me the most might surprise a lot of people: D.J. Hayden (University of Houston). There’s a medical concern with him because he had a life-threatening injury that is not normally associated with a football injury. I believe he’s been medically cleared, but when you have that kind of injury, there’s definitely a concern. However, I think D.J. Hayden has the most complete skill set of any CB in this draft, including Dee Milliner and Xavier Rhodes.

I don’t believe Hayden will be the first CB taken, but I don’t know where he’d stand if there was no medical concern. I believe, with his combination of movement, aggressiveness, competitiveness, playing personality, and the fact that he’s a very physical and willing run-support defender, that D.J. Hayden is the most multi-dimensional corner in this draft.

http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2013/04/23/greg ... qa-part-2/

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I'm starting to hope for a combination of Hayden/Hopkins/Sylvester Williams


I am very skeptical of this sudden rise D.J. Hayden has enjoyed. To me, it seems that sympathy may be a factor... Just sayin'.

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I am very skeptical of this sudden rise D.J. Hayden has enjoyed. To me, it seems that sympathy may be a factor... Just sayin'.


NFL front offices don't draft from sympathy. There's far too much at stake.

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I am very skeptical of this sudden rise D.J. Hayden has enjoyed. To me, it seems that sympathy may be a factor... Just sayin'.


NFL front offices don't draft from sympathy. There's far too much at stake.


Then what is it? Some team inflating his value? I don't understand how a consensus 5th corner can vault all the way up the best corner (according to Mayock) and go from being a late second round pick to now being a top 25 corner.

I am just confused is all. I admit, I have only seen the guy play once so maybe he has 'it.'

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I am very skeptical of this sudden rise D.J. Hayden has enjoyed. To me, it seems that sympathy may be a factor... Just sayin'.


NFL front offices don't draft from sympathy. There's far too much at stake.


Then what is it? Some team inflating his value? I don't understand how a consensus 5th corner can vault all the way up the best corner (according to Mayock) and go from being a late second round pick to now being a top 25 corner.

I am just confused is all. I admit, I have only seen the guy play once so maybe he has 'it.'



Well, he hasn't been drafted so the NFL Front offices haven't "spoken" on the subject just yet. :) I might be mistaken but I think that was dead_poet's point: if Hayden's rise is due to sympathy on the part of all the prognosticators, he may go lower than they expect because NFL teams won't be viewing him with the same sympathy.

Some of these guys vault up boards late because for as much as all the draft gurus talk about players and rank them for their various media employers early, they don't see a lot of film on some of them until later and it changes their opinions. It's also possible, as you said, that some team is inflating his value.


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Then what is it?


A) His Pro Day B) More people watching his film and C) his medicals checked out

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I am just confused is all. I admit, I have only seen the guy play once so maybe he has 'it.'


I'd prefer to have Milliner, but he'll be long gone. We have significant corner issues and I like the kid.

Here's some film:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llLcuVvBZ1M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tASWQSReaj0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3Rpnxjf7SE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DULLKzandYI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp5VU7e00c0

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Hayden's late rise could be explained simply by the fact that he was completely written off by both NFL personnel deptartments and draft gurus after such a devastating injury. Only after he got the all-clear from doctors did he get put back on the board. But the injury is still a concern for some. He's ranked variously anywhere from a top 20 pick to somewhere in the 6th round by different draftniks.


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This is a crazy year. No one knows where anyone is going in the draft! Look at Peter King's mock:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/-nfl-d ... eter-king/

Guys I wanted:
Sylvester Williams gone at 15
Vacarro gone at 16
Cyprien gone at 18
Hopkins gone at 22
Rhodes gone at 24 (before we can pick him)

So I'm thinking this would be catastrophic. But that leaves a bunch of guys undrafted:
Hunter
Lotulelei
T. Williams
Patterson
Trufant
Brown

I can't believe the Vikes would let Lotulelei go past them at #23 if they had a shot (unless they are in on some medical information the rest of us don't have). I could forgo the pain of missing out on Hopkins for Star.


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Another thing about King's draft - he has Patterson going at #31. I just don't see how that's possible. I'm being consistent here... I don't particularly want the Vikings to draft him. But I think that some GM of one of the 32 teams is going to feel Cordarelle is a top ten talent. And if you see a guy you have in your top ten fall into the lower 20's, you are going to trade up and grab him, because the price there is too good to pass up. It'll cost about a 2 and a 3 to move up at that point. To trade up to #12 (assuming that's where you thought his talent placed him) basically would cost a team like the 49'ers (drafting low every round) their whole draft (1-7).


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This is a crazy year. No one knows where anyone is going in the draft! Look at Peter King's mock:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/-nfl-d ... eter-king/

Guys I wanted:
Sylvester Williams gone at 15
Vacarro gone at 16
Cyprien gone at 18
Hopkins gone at 22
Rhodes gone at 24 (before we can pick him)

So I'm thinking this would be catastrophic. But that leaves a bunch of guys undrafted:
Hunter
Lotulelei
T. Williams
Patterson
Trufant
Brown

I can't believe the Vikes would let Lotulelei go past them at #23 if they had a shot (unless they are in on some medical information the rest of us don't have). I could forgo the pain of missing out on Hopkins for Star.


Why does King have Lotulelei dropping to #26? Others have him in the top 5 and I've even seen him #1 in a few mocks.

It is a crazy year.


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Another thing about King's draft - he has Patterson going at #31. I just don't see how that's possible. I'm being consistent here... I don't particularly want the Vikings to draft him. But I think that some GM of one of the 32 teams is going to feel Cordarelle is a top ten talent. And if you see a guy you have in your top ten fall into the lower 20's, you are going to trade up and grab him, because the price there is too good to pass up. It'll cost about a 2 and a 3 to move up at that point. To trade up to #12 (assuming that's where you thought his talent placed him) basically would cost a team like the 49'ers (drafting low every round) their whole draft (1-7).



But a lot don't that's the thing. He could definitely drop to #31. Do I think he will? No, probably not but a lot of team's were very turned off by his immaturity in meetings and he only has one year really playing football at a serious level.


It basically comes down to if you think Devin Hester is worth a first round pick or not. You can basically match them word for word. "dangerous kick / punt returner" "Incredible open field running skills" "elusive with the ball in his hands." Also nearly identical in the lack of actual receiver skills and identical to their roles in the offense early on, as in he's only a kick returner and bubble screen guy. If he was a Running back those would be great things to be known for. As a WR, you have to actually get open and catch the ball before you can do anything with it.

At this point it's really just a guess if he'll fail like Hester or have it click. It wouldn't surprise me though if Patterson slides into the second round.


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I have my fingers crossed for Teo and Austin/Allen :smilevike:

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This is innnnnnnnneteresting: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub ... RUE&gid=10

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