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Hey guys, I'm an Irish Vikings fan and I was just wondering what you guys think the Vikes will do and what position they'll concentrate on in the draft in April? Personally, I think they need secondary help and maybe another WR. I also think Manti Te'o would be a great addition too but that might just be the Irish connection! :D What do you guys think? :smilevike:


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Hey guys, I'm an Irish Vikings fan and I was just wondering what you guys think the Vikes will do and what position they'll concentrate on in the draft in April? Personally, I think they need secondary help and maybe another WR. I also think Manti Te'o would be a great addition too but that might just be the Irish connection! :D What do you guys think? :smilevike:


Too early to say but I like the Te'o pick (that might just be the Hawaii connection). :v):


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Hey guys, I'm an Irish Vikings fan and I was just wondering what you guys think the Vikes will do and what position they'll concentrate on in the draft in April? Personally, I think they need secondary help and maybe another WR. I also think Manti Te'o would be a great addition too but that might just be the Irish connection! :D What do you guys think? :smilevike:


Welcome to the board!

Te'o could be just what the doctor ordered for the Vikes defense. You might find it interesting that draft "guru" Scott wright has the Vikings selecting Te'o in his first mock draft for next year:

http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-A.php

As S197 said, it's really too early to say what the Vikes will do but I suspect WR, MLB, CB and DT are all strong possibilities. They could be in the market for a new right tackle too if Phil Loadholt doesn't play more impressively this year.


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They could be in the market for a new right tackle too if Phil Loadholt doesn't play more impressively this year.


Really, Jim? I haven't noticed Phil much at all this season, which is a nice change of pace. He's been solid in the run game and I haven't seen him overmatched in pass protection (yet). Clearly depth is an issue at tackle (particularly with the unknowns surrounding Love and Schwartz past this year) but depending on where they're drafting and who's available, I don't know if I see tackle being a priority early.

WR, NT, LB are the biggest priorities I see. Though CB, G and S have some question marks too. It's way too early. I usually don't start paying attention to this until December. Of course, depending on the Vikings record in November it could make for a nice distraction.

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Really, Jim? I haven't noticed Phil much at all this season, which is a nice change of pace. He's been solid in the run game and I haven't seen him overmatched in pass protection (yet). Clearly depth is an issue at tackle (particularly with the unknowns surrounding Love and Schwartz past this year) but depending on where they're drafting and who's available, I don't know if I see tackle being a priority early.


It won't be if Loadholt is still here and they have enough holes to fill so I'm guessing they will re-sign him unless he's terrible. However, I didn't think he played well against Indy. Pelissero put it best:

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This isn't the way for RT Phil Loadholt (70 snaps) to earn a new contract. He hemorrhaged eight QB pressures, was called for two penalties (illegal formation, holding) and didn't have his best day in the run phase either.


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WR, NT, LB are the biggest priorities I see. Though CB, G and S have some question marks too. It's way too early. I usually don't start paying attention to this until December. Of course, depending on the Vikings record in November it could make for a nice distraction.


Let's hope it's not worth talking about until January. :)

It really is too early, although I honestly don't think Brinkley has enough upside to steer the Vikes away from a top notch inside LB if they have a shot at one.


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Right now 5 wins is looking like a possibility. If they finish 6-10 they could still earn a top 10 pick. Which isn't half bad when you consider that only a couple of weeks ago people were talking about a playoff spot.

Wide receiver is still looking like the biggest need, assuming that an obvious QB prospect doesn't fall to them. I do see them taking a QB in the middle rounds, though. They can't go into next season with Webb and MBT as their only alternatives to another disastrous season from their starter.


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Right now 5 wins is looking like a possibility. If they finish 6-10 they could still earn a top 10 pick. Which isn't half bad when you consider that only a couple of weeks ago people were talking about a playoff spot.

Wide receiver is still looking like the biggest need, assuming that an obvious QB prospect doesn't fall to them. I do see them taking a QB in the middle rounds, though. They can't go into next season with Webb and MBT as their only alternatives to another disastrous season from their starter.


Do yo have a list of QBs and WRs that will be draft eligible?

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Do yo have a list of QBs and WRs that will be draft eligible?


QB's: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/pros ... gs/2013/QB
WR's: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/pros ... gs/2013/WR

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Do yo have a list of QBs and WRs that will be draft eligible?


QB's: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/pros ... gs/2013/QB
WR's: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/pros ... gs/2013/WR


Hmm... for QBs, I like Aaron Murray. For WRs, I like DeAndre Hopkins.

Otherwise, I haven't heard much about the WR class. Has anyone else heard anything?

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Hey guys, I'm an Irish Vikings fan and I was just wondering what you guys think the Vikes will do and what position they'll concentrate on in the draft in April? Personally, I think they need secondary help and maybe another WR. I also think Manti Te'o would be a great addition too but that might just be the Irish connection! :D What do you guys think? :smilevike:


I'll say the obvious: Expect a DT, a DB, a linebacker, one wide receiver, and an offensive lineman for sure and probably not in that order. It's not a deep draft for top flight quarterbacks. Barkley is the only obvious franchise guy, but I'm sure there will be two or three taken after him. The Vikings will NOT get Matt Barkley. He will be taken in the top five, the Vikings probably couldn't even lose every game for the rest of the year and get him. There are a couple decent running backs.

Te'o is having an amazing season, I get the feeling that he's going in the top 7 as a lock. I kinda expect the Vikes to get another win or two, which would put them probably picking around 8th or 9th. John Hankins, Star Lotulelei, maybe John Jenkins will be the guy they pick to anchor their line. It seems like there's something seriously not right with their interior right now, and it's causing them to lose games badly to teams that shouldn't be that good. They seem like they need a guy who can legitimately and consistently stuff the run. I don't have a lot of faith in Latroy Guion at all at this point and he really seems like the weak link there. Williams seems like he's showing his age as well. But having a great middle linebacker makes that defensive interior so much better, it's not even funny...so they might take a linebacker and if Te'o dropped to them, that would be a huge win.

I also have a little bias, but I'd be happy if they took Markus Wheaton in the 4th or 5th round. Oregon State isn't an awesome team, but they've gotten themselves a pretty nice record and beat a few tough teams, and their quarterbacks aren't going to be drafted...but that guy is an NFL caliber receiver and a high character player, averaged over a hundred yards receiving per game. I'm biased because I hear about him constantly here. Beaver fans seem to be even crazier about him than they were about Chad Johnson. If they beat Stanford this next weekend, people will be turning their heads. He might go earlier, but scouts kind of ignore Oregon State in favor of Oregon, and that might mean he could slip under the radar. He kind of does what Percy does (yeah, they already drafted a guy like that last year), but he's a little taller and he's really more of a possession receiver, makes big catches.

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Juice wrote:
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Do yo have a list of QBs and WRs that will be draft eligible?


QB's: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/pros ... gs/2013/QB
WR's: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/pros ... gs/2013/WR


Hmm... for QBs, I like Aaron Murray. For WRs, I like DeAndre Hopkins.

Otherwise, I haven't heard much about the WR class. Has anyone else heard anything?


Top WR prospects are Keenan Allen (Cal), Justin Hunter (Tennessee), Robert Woods (USC), Terrance Williams (Baylor) and DeAndre Hopkins (Clemson). Allen Hunter and Woods have been the Top 3 on most of the boards I've seen.

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Sorry to dig up this thread, but it's pretty apparent that the Vikings aren't in line for a Super Bowl this year.

I'm kinda liking Walter Football's current mock draft: http://walterfootball.com/draft2013.php

And before anyone says anything, no, there aren't any quarterbacks in this draft that are worth drafting in the first three rounds. Unless you want Jimmy Claussen-caliber guys to compete with Ponder. That would be really sad and hard to watch. If Zygi wants a solution to the quarterback position, it means he's going to throw the cap at one of the free agents available. (The free agent crop isn't all that good...T-Jack is considered one of the best available next year so that says something.)

I really like the idea of Alec Ogletree in the middle. That basically gives the Vikings their own Urlacher. When I read someone dismiss the value of having good linebackers, it clearly tells me they have no idea what they're talking about. Good linebackers are critical to pretty much any defensive scheme you put on the field, and they're always useful as special teamers. And probably the fifth best DT in the draft in the second round is pretty sweet.

Is wide receiver a bigger need than the interior of the Vikings defense? Maybe. However, there's a mess of good wide receivers in the next draft...it's going to be pretty good pickings left in the third and fourth rounds.

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Is wide receiver a bigger need than the interior of the Vikings defense? Maybe. However, there's a mess of good wide receivers in the next draft...it's going to be pretty good pickings left in the third and fourth rounds.


Here's my thought: Brinkley hasn't been as awful at LB as our WRs have been. We might be able to "make due" with Brinkley if needed but we cannot absolutely cannot go into next season with the same (or similar) caliber of wide outs. I'd classify both positions are in need of talent upgrades (DT too). It might (and probably should) come down to BPA between WR, DT and possibly LB in the first round at least.

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Sorry to dig up this thread, but it's pretty apparent that the Vikings aren't in line for a Super Bowl this year.

I'm kinda liking Walter Football's current mock draft: http://walterfootball.com/draft2013.php

And before anyone says anything, no, there aren't any quarterbacks in this draft that are worth drafting in the first three rounds.


That's a little hard to believe, unless you just mean you're none of these QBs have "franchise QB" written all over them.

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I really like the idea of Alec Ogletree in the middle. That basically gives the Vikings their own Urlacher. When I read someone dismiss the value of having good linebackers, it clearly tells me they have no idea what they're talking about. Good linebackers are critical to pretty much any defensive scheme you put on the field, and they're always useful as special teamers. And probably the fifth best DT in the draft in the second round is pretty sweet.

Is wide receiver a bigger need than the interior of the Vikings defense? Maybe. However, there's a mess of good wide receivers in the next draft...it's going to be pretty good pickings left in the third and fourth rounds.


I think if we set aside the QB debate for a moment, you can certainly make a case for WR being the team's biggest need. That said, you're right that the interior of the defense is a big need too, especially defensive tackle because they need a compliment to Williams and in a few seasons, they may need a replacement for Williams.

I'm always of the "get the best player you can get, preferably at a position of need" mentality when it comes to the first round of the draft. It's not a bad philosophy for the entire draft but at some point, need has to be a pretty big consideration. It just shouldn't lead a team to pass up a potential impact player. Improvements at WR, LB and DT would all help the Vikes so I wouldn't object to them targeting any of those positions in the early rounds.


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Ugh, I hope it doesn't play out that way. Just the Packer's luck that they get Keenan Allen. I think he's a solid choice for the Vikings, fitting both BPA and Need. Yes, there are injury concerns but he probably wouldn't even be in the discussion if not for those concerns. He's not just the type who can stretch the field, he can also make catches over the middle and fight for the football.


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Packers used 6 of 7 picks on the D last yr. I'd love to draft Manti but the Packers need to work on drafting on the offensive side. I don't ever see AD leaving the Vikings & therefore he will never make it to the Super Bowl to get a ring


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If the Vikes make the playoffs u guys will draft around 20 or 21. Should u guys not make the playoffs which is what I expect u guys will draft between 16-19. Manti T'eo as of now is projected to go 5th. Besides trading picks & AZ moving down to 16 (best case scenario for them) u guys would likely have to give up 2 draft picks. The Cardinals suck so bad they NEED a franchise QB & though IMO I don't believe Barkely is that person they need a QB. Although if the 49ers cut Smith I could see the Cards going after him


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If the Vikes make the playoffs u guys will draft around 20 or 21. Should u guys not make the playoffs which is what I expect u guys will draft between 16-19. Manti T'eo as of now is projected to go 5th.


I was getting ready to post essentially the same thing. If the Vikings make the playoffs, #21 is the highest they could pick. If not, it will be between #18 and #20. There's no way Te'o will be available in the second half of the first round, so we can all cross him off our Christmas lists. The Vikings can still draft one of the top three WRs at #21 or wherever they may end up. Or maybe go BPA and take a DT.


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W/Harvin possibly not going to be w/the Vikings soon u guys will need to get a top WR.


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Do you guys think the Vikings would take Barkley if he's still on the board? I know he had a disappointing Sr. Year, but he was a top5 projected pick last year so we know he has talent and a big arm.

Top needs as I see it:

QB
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Do you guys think the Vikings would take Barkley if he's still on the board? I know he had a disappointing Sr. Year, but he was a top5 projected pick last year so we know he has talent and a big arm.

Top needs as I see it:

QB
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Taking a QB with our first pick might be the dumbest thing I can imagine and its not our biggest need. You dont even have CB listed and it should be its a big need, especially when you consider we play the Packers twice a year and they can put 4 good WR's on the field at any time.


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To me, the top needs are:

WR -- none of the WRs were able to create separation down the field and only Harvin showed the ability to be a playmaker (and Harvin might not be with the team next year)
OG -- The guards were weak. The line run-blocked reasonably well (still far too many carries for negative yards) but the guards were especially weak in pass protection
MLB -- Brinkley is a decent run stuffer and he showed some play making ability, but I'm not sure that he is athletic enough for today's NFL and I don't think that he is bright enough to call the D
DT -- None of the team's DTs demand double teams; Williams is getting old and doesn't beat his man very often anymore and the rest of the squad seem like journeymen
CB -- Hard for me to rank this as the fifth need, but the others just seem to be more glaring (no, the Viking CBs are not good, I just don't think that they are as weak as the positions listed above)
OLB -- Henderson should be replaced

Take the best player available in the draft and fill some of those holes....

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In rough order, I the Vikings' needs as:

WR
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Wide receiver is a huge need, and more than one. I can see them taking one in the 1st round, then another late in the draft.

They need starters and they need better depth at cornerback. I think there's a chance they could select a CB in the 1st round.

They have to find a QB that they can groom, even if it's as a backup, and they shouldn't wait beyond the third or fourth round to grab one. Please just say 'goodbye and thank you' to Joe Webb and be done with him.

Linebacker has been a weak spot for a couple of seasons. They have absolutely no depth at the position and Erin Henderson had a poor year when asked to step up. Brinkley played well at times, but he's also below average.

They have to find better guards. Somewhere. This could be filled in free agency. A fifth or sixth round guard isn't likely to be much better than either Johnson or Fusco, and probably not ready to start immediately in any case.

They need another starter at safety to complement Smith. I'd like to see Mistral Raymond playing somewhere else next year and Sanford certainly isn't the answer.


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Sorry to dig up this thread, but it's pretty apparent that the Vikings aren't in line for a Super Bowl this year.

I'm kinda liking Walter Football's current mock draft: http://walterfootball.com/draft2013.php

And before anyone says anything, no, there aren't any quarterbacks in this draft that are worth drafting in the first three rounds.


That's a little hard to believe, unless you just mean you're none of these QBs have "franchise QB" written all over them.


Whoa, I didn't see you cut me down in this one, Moth. I meant to say "There's no quarterback that is worth it to the Vikings to draft in the first three rounds".

Some teams are more desperate than others. I'd rather not see the Vikings waste a first or second day pick on a guy who really doesn't have much more going for him than Christian Ponder did when he was coming out. I'd rather them give Ponder another year than draft a guy who has as much upside (when they could be filling up another more pressing position).

As for Green Bay or whomever drafting a top wideout, not going to happen now...and even if it did...so what? Wide receivers are pretty hit or miss. Now, if they went all in to bulk up their defense...I'd be really worried then.

And as for Jasper Brinkley, he kinda sucks. When the defense is breaking down, quite often it's hard not to see that Brinkley is the weak link. Erin Henderson is okay. But this defense kind of needs a certain sort of linebacker that can drop into coverage effectively, and Brinkley isn't always very good at that. Brinkley is on the open market, though. Do you want the team to sign Brinkley to a long term deal? Do you think he's really worth it, that there aren't better alternatives out there?

This draft has some good wide receivers that won't be taken in the first round. It has a few very good linebackers, guys that you want to center your defense around, that will be there in the first.

I can't ever understand how much some of you underestimate linebackers. "Oh, we'll just take those guys in the fourth round and it'll be awesome". Put Greenway next to Brinkley. Do you see what I'm talking about? Which round was each of them taken in? The really, really good defenses usually have really, really good linebackers. You can load up all you want in the defensive backfield and along the line, but linebackers make all those guys better. And the better those linebackers are, the better the guys around them are.

Guards can be had in the first 4 rounds. Typically, they tend to be tackles that aren't quick enough to play tackle in the NFL. There aren't a lot of guards that merit a late first round pick...the ones that do are usually amazingly good.

This draft has wide receivers that will be good later on. There should be a few decent ones in free agency this year, too.

The best linebackers will probably be gone in the first round and the beginning of the second. Great linebackers can be drafted, you don't need to pay them a fortune, and they start and produce for you for many years. The same can't be said for most wide receivers. When you have a chance to take a linebacker that reminds you of Ray Lewis, you put your hand up and draft that guy.

If you want quality, figure out where the other teams are going to be loading up and try to beat as many of them as you can to the punch.

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Whoa, I didn't see you cut me down in this one, Moth. I meant to say "There's no quarterback that is worth it to the Vikings to draft in the first three rounds".


I see. That makes much more sense to me. :)

I wasn't trying to trying to cut you down (and I'm not sure how the word you're ended up in my comment either... I must have re-typed the sentence and been sloppy about it. Sorry...).


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I meant to say "There's no quarterback that is worth it to the Vikings to draft in the first three rounds".

Some teams are more desperate than others. I'd rather not see the Vikings waste a first or second day pick on a guy who really doesn't have much more going for him than Christian Ponder did when he was coming out. I'd rather them give Ponder another year than draft a guy who has as much upside (when they could be filling up another more pressing position).


Unless you're really convinced that Christian Ponder is the Vikings franchise QB of the future, I couldn't disagree more. And I think the Vikings organization is far from convinced about Ponder.

The Vikings have no fallback plan in the event that Ponder's third season proves to be a bust. Particularly given their dire backup QB situation, I'd much rather they take a chance on a 2nd or 3rd round QB, at the same time addressing the backup situation and leaving them with _some_ small chance of having a QB going into 2014 if it all goes south. Without someone (anyone) waiting in the wings, they're completely screwed after next season and will be forced yet again to reach for a QB in 2014. They can't keep painting themselves into a corner like they have for the past decade.


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Unless you're really convinced that Christian Ponder is the Vikings franchise QB of the future, I couldn't disagree more. And I think the Vikings organization is far from convinced about Ponder.

The Vikings have no fallback plan in the event that Ponder's third season proves to be a bust. Particularly given their dire backup QB situation, I'd much rather they take a chance on a 2nd or 3rd round QB, at the same time addressing the backup situation and leaving them with _some_ small chance of having a QB going into 2014 if it all goes south. Without someone (anyone) waiting in the wings, they're completely screwed after next season and will be forced yet again to reach for a QB in 2014. They can't keep painting themselves into a corner like they have for the past decade.


They have to address the problem and I imagine they will, although depending on how they feel about MBT, maybe they will keep working with him, bring in a veteran backup and bypass QB in the draft. Beyond the obvious (they kept him all year) I'm not at all clear on what the Vikes think of MBT. I have to believe Webb will be gone.

Regarding the draft, I think it really boils down to who will actually be available at QB in the second and third rounds, how they compare to QBs that will still be on the board later and, of course, how they compare to other players on the board. The Vikes definitely need to put a backup plan in place.

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I think a smart move would be to use the first of our 4th round picks (early 4th rd) to take a QB.

I agree with Rus that LB is a position we need to be thinking about in the first rd. I really don't know what to think about Manti Te'o now with this "Catfish" situation that he either conjured up or got ensnared in. At the very least, he fanned the flames and let the narrative go further than it should have. I think he will now be available when we draft in Rd. 1. But the Bama game and this odd situation makes me question whether I'd want him. I also don't know how well he fits. We need someone that can drop back and cover well. He seems more dominant moving forward.


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We need someone that can drop back and cover well. He seems more dominant moving forward.


Dude had 7 INTs this season. Scouts say he has the required sideline-to-sideline speed.

http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2013mteo.php

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Pass Coverage: At 255 pounds you would expect Te’o to struggle in pass coverage. As I described, he’s tight hipped and not a quick twitch athlete. It doesn’t show up in pass coverage. Te’o is excellent at covering backs out of the backfield and tight ends down the seam. He has a nose for the football and is capable of making plays in pass coverage. His instincts in the pass game are unrivaled in this year’s linebacker crop. Te’o gets to his drop zone quickly and reads the quarterback well. This is an underrated aspect of his game and will open the eyes of a lot of teams come April.


http://nflsfuture.com/2012/12/20/8289/

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Post Re: Draft in April
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We need someone that can drop back and cover well. He seems more dominant moving forward.


Dude had 7 INTs this season. Scouts say he has the required sideline-to-sideline speed.

http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2013mteo.php

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Pass Coverage: At 255 pounds you would expect Te’o to struggle in pass coverage. As I described, he’s tight hipped and not a quick twitch athlete. It doesn’t show up in pass coverage. Te’o is excellent at covering backs out of the backfield and tight ends down the seam. He has a nose for the football and is capable of making plays in pass coverage. His instincts in the pass game are unrivaled in this year’s linebacker crop. Te’o gets to his drop zone quickly and reads the quarterback well. This is an underrated aspect of his game and will open the eyes of a lot of teams come April.


http://nflsfuture.com/2012/12/20/8289/



I know he had 7 INTs, I saw plenty of their games this year. I wasn't aware, however, that draft gurus had him evaluated so highly as a pass coverage LB. Thanks for the link.

Maybe this whole debacle will be the best thing in the world for the Vikings. If it just turns out to be extreme naivete in amorous matters on his part and not some socio-path tendencies... then, hey, I'm cool with taking him. His energy on the field is very impressive. His getting shut down in the Bama game still concerns me a bit.


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