Thanks for that update....I haven't been keeping up on this for the last 48. Too busy.....

Stewart regarding Sandusky's lawyer: "What kind of creepy guys club do you two both belong too?"

And that is the 64 billion dollar question.

Holy crap, why in the hell did he do that phone interview with Costas? A cry for help? It did absolutely NOTHING to help his position.

"Are you sexually attracted to children?" Sandusky answered by repeating the question (not good), then said he enjoys being around them. Said some other stuff too, kinda rambled, and then finally said "No, I'm not sexually attracted to them". Real succinct there, Jerry.

He also admitted to showering with kids and touching their legs. Oh, and lots and lots of "horsing around". You know, a naked 50+ year old man and naked little boy just horsin' 'round, snapping towels and stuff like that. Perfectly normal



I wish Costas would've asked Sandusky if he was molested as a young boy. I think he probably was, most child molesters were. And that's another sad facet of all this: of all the kids that Sandusky probably fiddled with, a percentage of them will go on to do the same thing in the future.

It's kind of funny hearing people with a hang up about communal showers, in the military, it was a luxury to be able to take a shower in Iraq, let alone that communal showers were a part of life.

Now, there is some story out of Syracuse about their basketball program. Football unfortunately has long had questions about a dark side which we seem to be seeing now.

funny how someone brings something up this sickening years later after the fact and it ABSOLUTELY HAPPENED ! years go by and no one says anything to the authorities ? let them do a complete investigation before we judge anyone.

No, your comment disparaging victims who were KIDS is sickening.

So more information is coming out today because McQueary testified. Is anyone else kind of disgusted at how the media is covering this? I mean...they're publishing these graphic depictions of child molestation...who wants to read about that? Specific details about what McQueary saw...why does that need to be made public?

I think it's kind of sick and borders on child pornography, in a weird kind of way. The media is like: this thing that happened is very very wrong and horrifying, but here's a very detailed report on exactly what happened. Do we really need to know?

Report: PSU hid 'critical facts'

What a shame. It almost would have been better had this whole thing been an academic scandal. It's amazing how far, and how fast, an orgainization can fall.

The way the media is covering it is tragic but par for the course.
From my perspective there is an emphasis to make Sandusky and Paterno the sole violators here. Repeated graphic descriptions of the child abuse serve to focus mass attention on Sandusky as a monster of a being...(not that he isn't, but he is also a deeply wounded person who was most likely abused as well) who is now locked up for life and will probably get shanked in the pen. Sandusky is a symptom not the problem and locking him up makes people feel good, but the problem is still out there and it's much more institutionalized than the average joe wants to believe.

Now they are pinning the whole thing on Paterno. He's dead, he's the perfect scapegoat. His family is trying to speak up for him and they are being ridiculed. A former director of the FBI was brought in to paint (whitewash) the official story regarding the cover up. A cover up to the cover up. Now you will never hear of any credible investigation that ties Spanier and Second Mile to organized pimping of boys to wealthy donors or his ties to a similar off-campus scenario when he was at Nebraska. Nebraska which was the source of a child prostitution ring the had ties to Hunter S Thompson and the political elite in DC during the Reagan/Bush admin.

No, the media's portrayal of this latest chapter of child rape and torture is complete BS. They are working 24/7 to imbed in the national consciousness that the only two people responsible for this are either dead or locked up for life. That Paterno had absolute power at Penn State above and beyond anyone above him. And those above him are just as innocent as those nameless kids in the shower even though Spanier has a past that is disconcerting.

The coverage is a joke and the way peeps are eating it up and turning the whole issue into whether or not the give Penn State the death penalty is a little scary.

i haven't seen anything suggesting that paterno is the only one who did anything wrong here. everything i have read discusses him as well as others such as the athletic director and president amongst others. but why wouldn't paterno garner most of the attention? he was god in that place. he has building maned after him and statues erected. if the athletic director had statues...people would be calling for them to be taken down too. if there were huge murals of the president on the sides of buildings...i can promise you they'd be painted over too. many people are to blame...but paterno is going to take much of the heat. and the bottom line is that we now know that he knew boys were getting molested for years....and CHOSE to do nothing about it. his family is certainly going to take heat for defending these actions. or inactions.....

I've only been listening to the radio...and all they are talking about is Paterno. The scandal was bigger...much bigger according to the cat who broke the story. I feel the more we hear the drumbeat about Paterno the less you will hear about Spaniers and anyone who might have been involved that had nothing to do with Penn State but everything to do with altering little boys. That's how it works. I'm not defending Paterno or his stupid statue or the ridiculous atmosphere of "happy valley". I'm pointing out how little the general population really wants to know about the depth of this crap. Because it's icky....make it go away. Like dead Joe-pa and the incarcerated Evil Sandusky...tear down anything that reminds us of it and bury it along with all the pain. It also goes into places where the lines between authority and culprits can be blurry. It has been alleged that Spaniers has been involved with something like this before....but we have heard nothing about that since the first week of the event, and nothing at all in the MSM...just crucify Sandusky, Paterno and Penn state and move on.

Yes, Paterno is/was the face of Penn State, but it is more than dubious that he was the face of this scandal, which I believe is what the media is aiming to portray. Just what is the scandal? The abuse? The coverup? If this whole thing runs deeper into a ring involving donors and people of influence...wouldn't the scandal be more about that? If that's not even being investigated and the results being reported on by an independent source is that not even a bigger scandal?

Maybe it's easier to believe that Sandusky was an isolated enigma and that it was all covered up to protect PennState....I might believe that too if it hadn't been reported that Spaniers was connected to something similar at Nebraska and that Second Mile was pimping out kids.

ya those are great points and none that i disagree with. the whole thing was sickening and there is a TON of blame to go around. the more the story develops the sicker it gets. these kids were let down BIG TIME. but i agree with what you're saying. you know what is really sad......you hardly ever even hear the name sandusky anymore! you know...the molestor himself. it's all paterno and penn state. but that's just how these things work. and i think paternos family is doing a huge disservice by continually defending him. his son called this a "speed bump" in his career!

I agree. And it's a real problem throughout our society. I get hopeful that when a big institution like this or the catholic church, or someone like RA Dicky points it out that maybe we will get to the root of it and wipe it out.


And I think that has to do with the nature of the crime. It's horrible to even imagine and most people just want it to go away. I work with kids who have been through this stuff in an outreach program. It's not a home or clinical thing, but street kids who are homeless. It's stunning how many kids this happens to and what it does to their identity and ability to communicate trustfully. RA Dicky's story (Pitcher for the Mets) is absolutely inspiring and also a testament to how prevalent this thing is. I really feel bad for a person like Sandusky cause he was one of these kids who was let down at some point. It's a bad cycle for sure. Now he's paying a big price.....but it doesn't heal his wounds or those kids he hurt.

I had not heard that one....unbelievable!

Well, there's your problem. The Freeh report is not whitewashing anything. It does not blame only Paterno, it blames everyone, from Paterno to the AD to the VP involved to the President to the Board. Everyone.

I really don't feel I have any problem in my understanding of this. The gist of my total comment was about how the media is portraying the scandal and the report. The tone of everything in the media since the report has come out is Paterno Paterno Paterno. The Freeh report, according to the media that I've heard, deals with the coverup....not what was actually alleged to have been going on with Second Mile beyond Sadusky's personal transgressions in the locker room at Penn State. I think it's really obvious to anyone with half a brain that there was a huge coverup with the upper echelon involved.....so, making a big deal about it in an official report is a nice and tidy way of putting it in the spotlight and ending the inquiry. But when that media spotlight serves to distract the public view from looking at a larger more malignant possibility, appeasing their outrage by throwing them a dead guy to chew on, it serves as a whitewash IMO. Perhaps, that was all Freeh was appointed to do, in which case there would not be any problem with the report itself in those regards but with the peeps who set the guidelines for it's content.

Now if there is some future publicized investigation that answers the questions raised about Second Mile pimping boys out and where that led to etc etc....then I'll happily retract. Shoot, if there is even a publicized repeating of that allegation I'd be impressed. But I'm betting against that, as of now, cause they have it all in a nice little package with a bow on it. The Monster is in jail, and the Enabler is dead and everyone who cares can vent about whether Penn State should get the death penalty or not. End of story....

And I'm not advocating that there was a child prostitution ring at Second Mile....just that it was alleged to have been happening by the same journalist who broke the Sandusky story. But if there's no investigation into that...then you have a coverup that dwarfs anything that happened at Penn State.

Maybe it is just bread and circuses after all.

Then your misunderstanding is in who commissioned the Freeh report and it's point. It was commissioned by Penn State, not the state of Pennsylvania or the county or cities involved. Its point was what happened at Penn State. Freeh was not a special prosecutor looking into Sandusky or Second Mile or any of that. Investigation of Second Mile is up to the state/county prosecutors.

The reason the media jumped on it is because it's new information. Same as they jumped on Sandusky's convictions. Same as they'll jump on any Second Mile news when it happens.

Right Geoff, I realize all of that...what I'm saying is I doubt there is any investigation into Second Mile. Second Mile, hasn't been mentioned in months, it's all Penn Satae and it's by design. And feeding the media machine Paterno and Sandusky cements it.

"Penn State" did not appoint Freeh...someone at Penn State did and his name is Kenneth Fraizer. Here is an article questioning why the person heavily involved in the Merck Vioxx coverup, Ken Fraizer, is in charge of the mess at Penn State. http://www.slate.com/articles/health_an ... tate_.html It was a huge cover up.

Fraizer brings in Freeh, who has a lot of questions about him when it comes to getting to the real bottom of serious things. This article is one of many, as well as books, written about that very fact. http://www.reddirtreport.com/Story.aspx/20474

I believe they want to keep this at Penn State because it goes into the lives of some very well connected people. Graham Spanier is a longtime friend with Ronald Roskens. Roskens was a former chancellor and president at U of Nebraska, like Spanier. He was fired in 89 for having orgies in his home in which surveillance photos revealed several young nude boys. So he gets fired...then what happens to him? In August of 90 Roskens gets appointed by G H W Bush to head the Agency for International Development. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.... check out the headline on the front page of the Washington Times for Thursday June 29, 1989. http://www.tomflocco.com/Docs/Wt/WashTimes1989-1.htm Spanier has ties to lots of peeps involved in that including Lawrence King .




I've been following this story for years and years. When it came to Penn State I got excited because I believed that the sports community was big and powerful enough to get to the bottom of it or at least bring the shadowy people into the public light. I have serious doubts about any of that now. I would absolutely love to be wrong about that. People are people and they don't want to believe bad about the people who are "in charge". Just like what happened with Paterno and his loyalists in Happy Valley.

Anyhow, that's all i'm gonna say about any of this here. It's not the best place for this kinda talk.

couldn't resist....looks like Spanier got an appointed position in national security.

http://dcist.com/2012/07/former_penn_st ... is_now.php

cant belieave that scum got a job, I hope he gets sued for the cover up, his reptuation is destroyed at Penn State