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Purple Rage
Transition Player
Joined: Sun Nov 04, 2007 3:45 am Posts: 388
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 Chris Cook?
I dont even know what to say. At least we have a CB with size an can play both cb and s. Common guys help me feel better about the pick...PLEEEEEEEZ!
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| Fri Apr 23, 2010 5:48 pm |
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FPG
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Joined: Sun Dec 21, 2008 8:08 pm Posts: 149
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 Re: Chris Cook?
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| Fri Apr 23, 2010 5:56 pm |
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Purple Rage
Transition Player
Joined: Sun Nov 04, 2007 3:45 am Posts: 388
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 Re: Chris Cook?
Im with you and hear ya. I just think there was so much more out there. But we will see mabye Cook can be the CB weve needed.
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| Fri Apr 23, 2010 6:02 pm |
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Demi
Commissioner
Joined: Sun Dec 12, 2004 4:24 pm Posts: 17378
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 Re: Chris Cook?
Frazier and Spielman loved him. This one isn't on Chili. Another Griffin clone. 
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| Fri Apr 23, 2010 7:21 pm |
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Rus
Hall of Fame Candidate
Joined: Wed Apr 02, 2003 8:22 pm Posts: 3619 Location: Portland, Oregon
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 Re: Chris Cook?
Demi wrote: Frazier and Spielman loved him. This one isn't on Chili. Another Griffin clone.  No, this draft doesn't seem like Chili had all that much influence on. Maybe a little with Gerhart...maybe Chili had a momentary flashback to "thunder and lightning". But we all know how the thunder part of that turned out in the pros. Not that well.
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| Fri Apr 23, 2010 7:54 pm |
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DanAS
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Joined: Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:29 am Posts: 195
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 Re: Chris Cook?
Rus wrote: Demi wrote: Frazier and Spielman loved him. This one isn't on Chili. Another Griffin clone.  No, this draft doesn't seem like Chili had all that much influence on. Maybe a little with Gerhart...maybe Chili had a momentary flashback to "thunder and lightning". But we all know how the thunder part of that turned out in the pros. Not that well. Gerhart is quicker than other big backs. He's truly a "tweener" -- not a fullback and not a halfback. It sounds like an insult, but Doleman was viewed as a tweener and he worked out pretty well.
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| Fri Apr 23, 2010 8:02 pm |
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Rus
Hall of Fame Candidate
Joined: Wed Apr 02, 2003 8:22 pm Posts: 3619 Location: Portland, Oregon
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 Re: Chris Cook?
DanAS wrote: Rus wrote: Demi wrote: Frazier and Spielman loved him. This one isn't on Chili. Another Griffin clone.  No, this draft doesn't seem like Chili had all that much influence on. Maybe a little with Gerhart...maybe Chili had a momentary flashback to "thunder and lightning". But we all know how the thunder part of that turned out in the pros. Not that well. Gerhart is quicker than other big backs. He's truly a "tweener" -- not a fullback and not a halfback. It sounds like an insult, but Doleman was viewed as a tweener and he worked out pretty well. Yeah, I know he's a tweener because I've watched him...I'm a West Coast guy as you know. The NFL plays a lot quicker and a lot faster, though, so hopefully he'll work on perfecting some moves to offset that. Don't really know if the Vikings really HAD to give up as much as they did for him, though, then again, I might just be less impressed with the longer term potential of most Vikings backups in a lot of other positions than other people.
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| Fri Apr 23, 2010 8:09 pm |
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Purple Rage
Transition Player
Joined: Sun Nov 04, 2007 3:45 am Posts: 388
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 Re: Chris Cook?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnCce5gOkqQIf this is the best highlight video for Cook were in trouble.....BIG TROUBLE! An to think we couldve had.........just about anybody! Patrick Robinson for one, Mays for two, Nate Allen for three....ughh!! I really hope this guy straps up and plays ball FOR REAL, doesnt show me anything that says GOOD CB! But hey its one game, but being he was picked in the 2nd rd of the NFL DRAFT you would think he has more highlight videos somewhere. Someone please find something on this guy that made our FO like him other than that hes 6-2!!
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| Sat Apr 24, 2010 3:48 am |
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DanAS
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 Re: Chris Cook?
Rus wrote: Yeah, I know he's a tweener because I've watched him...I'm a West Coast guy as you know. The NFL plays a lot quicker and a lot faster, though, so hopefully he'll work on perfecting some moves to offset that. Don't really know if the Vikings really HAD to give up as much as they did for him, though, then again, I might just be less impressed with the longer term potential of most Vikings backups in a lot of other positions than other people. I do appreciate, Rus, that you've seen the guy more than just about everyone else in this Board. And I agree that he won't be nearly as effective at the next level when the speed is so much faster on D. But that can be said about virtually any back -- even AD when he's not fumbling. The trend is obviously to go for smaller backs who can at least have a shot at outrunning the D, rather than the bruising backs. And yet Gerhart seems so smart and instinctive at waiting for holes and knowing which ones to hit. Given that, combined with his power and general athleticism (not blinding speed but good quick feet, balance, etc.), I'm confident he'll be a productive complement to AD. We agree that the price was a heavy one, maybe too heavy for ANY guy who was still on the board in the mid-late part of the second round. Still, if the Vikes didn't have to trade up and were only using their regular pick at #51 or whatever it was, I'd say it was an excellent pick.
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| Sat Apr 24, 2010 5:37 am |
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TrenchGoon
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Joined: Sat Jan 27, 2007 9:35 am Posts: 2666
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 Re: Chris Cook?
DanAS wrote: Rus wrote: Yeah, I know he's a tweener because I've watched him...I'm a West Coast guy as you know. The NFL plays a lot quicker and a lot faster, though, so hopefully he'll work on perfecting some moves to offset that. Don't really know if the Vikings really HAD to give up as much as they did for him, though, then again, I might just be less impressed with the longer term potential of most Vikings backups in a lot of other positions than other people. I do appreciate, Rus, that you've seen the guy more than just about everyone else in this Board. And I agree that he won't be nearly as effective at the next level when the speed is so much faster on D. But that can be said about virtually any back -- even AD when he's not fumbling. The trend is obviously to go for smaller backs who can at least have a shot at outrunning the D, rather than the bruising backs. And yet Gerhart seems so smart and instinctive at waiting for holes and knowing which ones to hit. Given that, combined with his power and general athleticism (not blinding speed but good quick feet, balance, etc.), I'm confident he'll be a productive complement to AD. We agree that the price was a heavy one, maybe too heavy for ANY guy who was still on the board in the mid-late part of the second round. Still, if the Vikes didn't have to trade up and were only using their regular pick at #51 or whatever it was, I'd say it was an excellent pick. if he can pick up yards after contant as well as he appeared to in college he is going to be a valuable player for us.
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| Sat Apr 24, 2010 6:40 am |
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Demi
Commissioner
Joined: Sun Dec 12, 2004 4:24 pm Posts: 17378
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 Re: Chris Cook?
Quote: If this is the best highlight video for Cook were in trouble.....BIG TROUBLE! Were you watching the break down on NFL network? It was mainly showing him getting abused by someone in some practice, not sure if it was the senior bowl or what but this is pretty funny!
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| Sat Apr 24, 2010 2:40 pm |
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Rus
Hall of Fame Candidate
Joined: Wed Apr 02, 2003 8:22 pm Posts: 3619 Location: Portland, Oregon
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 Re: Chris Cook?
Demi wrote: Quote: If this is the best highlight video for Cook were in trouble.....BIG TROUBLE! Were you watching the break down on NFL network? It was mainly showing him getting abused by someone in some practice, not sure if it was the senior bowl or what but this is pretty funny! Oh man, tell me there's other footage of that guy. Something with him intercepting some passes, because all I can find is footage of running backs burning him over and over.
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| Sat Apr 24, 2010 3:24 pm |
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Now its our time
Pro Bowl Elite Player
Joined: Sun Mar 21, 2010 10:51 pm Posts: 754 Location: Arizona
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 Re: Chris Cook?
We should have stuck with our first round and taken Robinson
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| Sat Apr 24, 2010 6:15 pm |
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J. Kapp 11
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Joined: Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:57 pm Posts: 1526
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 Re: Chris Cook?
I don't know much about him except for what others say. Here's what National Football Post says (6.3 is a pretty good grade from them ... the best players at their positions typically are in the 7's): National Football Post wrote: NFP Grade: 6.3
Scouting Report: Chris Cook: No. 2, CB, 6-2, 210
Cook is a big, well-built corner who possesses impressive straight-line speed for a guy his size. However, he lacks ideal footwork and body control out of his back-pedal and has a tendency to open up his hips too quickly in off-coverage. He struggles to keep his feet under him when asked to break down in space. He lacks the ability to cleanly change directions and looks heavy-footed when trying to close on the ball. Doesn’t consistently trust his backpedal or ability to flip his hips when asked to turn and run down the field. Gives up a lot of cushion underneath and simply doesn’t have the change of direction skills to play in off-man coverage. However, he is very physical and does a good job using his length to get into the frames of opposing receivers and press off the line. Once he gets his hands on you he can control at the point of attack, maintain balance in coverage and is tough to separate from. Possesses a good first step for his size and also looks comfortable when asked to sit on routes in a cover two look and has the range to break on the football. Is a good tackle for the position and should also get some interest as a free safety prospect. Overall, Cook possesses a good feel in zone coverage and has the size/speed numbers to warrant consideration as a press corner, cover two corner or free safety.
Beyond that, I have no idea. You asked for reasons to like him. Maybe this helps. Looks like a cover-2 corner, only maybe without the tackling skills of a Griffin or certainly not Winfield.
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| Sun Apr 25, 2010 3:04 pm |
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Eli
Career Elite Player
Joined: Sun Sep 12, 2004 5:52 pm Posts: 2198 Location: Colorado
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 Re: Chris Cook?
Purple Rage wrote: I dont even know what to say. At least we have a CB with size an can play both cb and s. Common guys help me feel better about the pick...PLEEEEEEEZ! How about this... The Vikings first pick in the 2010 NFL was the 6th cornerback and the 8th defensive back taken. The story is that they were expecting and would have taken Kyle Wilson at #30. When the Jets took him at #29 the Vikings gambled and traded down to #34, expecting Patrick Robinson to be available. But then the Saints took Robinson at #32 and the Vikings were left with their third choice among the defensive backs they thought would be available to them.
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| Mon Apr 26, 2010 4:20 am |
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Hunter Morrow
Career Elite Player
Joined: Wed Aug 16, 2006 5:56 am Posts: 2529
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 Re: Chris Cook?
What is that saying about assuming? Something like, when you assume, you wind up picking a guy who wasn't even top 5 on your draft board?
Yeah, something like that.
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| Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:56 am |
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GoldenBear91
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Joined: Sat Apr 17, 2004 5:33 pm Posts: 128 Location: Yorkville, Illinois
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 Re: Chris Cook?
I see two good things:
1) Clemson doesn't challenge him or throw to his side often, they avoid Cook showing they thought him somewhat talented.
2) When the run plays come his way Cook keeps outside leverage and forces the run inside.
That being said does he look like the guy I would want to take with my first draft pick? No.
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| Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:16 am |
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Rus
Hall of Fame Candidate
Joined: Wed Apr 02, 2003 8:22 pm Posts: 3619 Location: Portland, Oregon
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 Re: Chris Cook?
The biggest thing I can see right off is that Cook seems to have good hands and good instincts for picking off the ball...just from what I've seen from various chunks of tape I dug up around the web. Didn't watch his team play all that much last year, so all I could really think was "It's nice to have a cornerback taller than 6'".
If there was one thing last year that would drive me crazy, it was watching how many passes would bounce off Griffin and Winfield's hands. They'd always do a show afterward of how angry they were at themselves for doing that, but they just kept on doing that. Griffin still had 4 interceptions, but he dropped a whole lot more. And a linebacker almost led the team in interceptions. Both Griff and 'Toine cover a receiver pretty well when healthy, but instead of a turnover, they'd frequently just turn it into an incompletion and do their little show of disappointment. Cook may not be the proven tackler that those guys are, but he's got decent hands and the ability to take the ball back. You can cover a guy like glue...but you pick off a pass, and that guy doesn't have another chance or two to beat you. It's a nice thing once in awhile.
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| Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:34 pm |
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Cliff
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Joined: Mon Apr 26, 2004 5:51 pm Posts: 4058 Location: Kentucky
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 Re: Chris Cook?
From everything I've read it says he's *great* as a cover 2 corner so perhaps it's not as bad as we think.
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| Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:46 pm |
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Demi
Commissioner
Joined: Sun Dec 12, 2004 4:24 pm Posts: 17378
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 Re: Chris Cook?
Cliff wrote: From everything I've read it says he's *great* as a cover 2 corner so perhaps it's not as bad as we think. As Deion Sanders might say, it's an insult to be labeled a cover 2 corner.  Usually means you struggle in coverage, but hey, you can tackle! They aren't asked to do much. Provide run support, and cover a relatively small portion of the field including the flats. Bring down anything that gets caught in front of them. You don't need an especially gifted player to play it. It's all part of the system, just like you need defensive linemen who can pressure over run defense. I guess I this point I'm hoping he can at least handle the tackling aspect. It'd be nice to have a couple big physical corners, if only they'd play like the guys in green bay and just manhandle guys, they both seem pretty soft for how big they are.
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| Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:09 pm |
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Purple Rage
Transition Player
Joined: Sun Nov 04, 2007 3:45 am Posts: 388
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 Re: Chris Cook?
Ive always said i want minn to get a big corner that has speed, well we got him but why am i not satisfied. Though I have a feeling the guy is gonna prove Spielman to be on his game as far as the draft goes. Winfield 5'9 Griffin 5'10 Asher 5'9 Sapp 5'10.....Cook 6'2. He might just be the next Reevis or Namdi, common guys have some hope LOL! But i seriously think the kid might just be the Corner we need.
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Mr. Offseason
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Joined: Wed Jul 07, 2010 10:42 pm Posts: 3 Location: Edina, Minnesota (Beloit, Wisconsin for College)
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 Re: Chris Cook?
Cook definitely gives you guys some size at corner, I didn't realize that you have so many corners at 5'10" or below. He should match up better with some bigger, possession receivers.
But truth be told, I think Perrish Cox is as good as Cook is but maybe without the timed speed. Cox matches up really well with possession receivers and guys that aren't burners, but struggles with smaller, quicker players. The Vikings have enough guys who can cover quick, slot receiver types in my opinion, but having someone to guard a Colston type possession receiver would be nice. Cook can probably do that, but I was never very impressed with him when I watched him play. Hopefully he pans out for you guys, but I am skeptical.
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hibbingviking
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 Re: Chris Cook?
He lacks great burst and pure speed to play out on an island in man coverage but should play reasonably well in the cover 2.
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