Bro, Why would you look at those drafted before him as an assessment of Wayne's talent?Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:49 amWho wrote that?? Burnt on occasion?? Like I said he's given up more yards and TDs than ANY CB in that time span. That is an actual fact, I've posted that on here before more than once. So I can tell you that whoever wrote that, did not once look into how often he was really burned.YikesVikes wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 3:06 pm
"Man-coverage grade: 79.6
The Ravens traded Kenny Young and a fifth-round draft pick to the Los Angeles Rams for one of the best cornerbacks in the NFL. Let that sink in. Sure, Peters’ aggressiveness ─ a big contributor to his league-high 27 interceptions since being drafted in 2015 ─ has led to him getting burnt on occasion. Peters is right enough when he does gamble and talented enough to where you are more than happy to live with those occasional miscues, though. Looking strictly at his time with the Ravens in 2019, Peters put up an even higher man coverage grade (86.9) than Gilmore from Week 7 through the postseason. It’s safe to say Baltimore is happy with their transaction."
Listen for all of his faults (tackling being the biggest) Peters has plenty that I don't love about him. However, you need to stop looking at the business side of the NFL (contracts, trades, cuts) and assuming that it only happens when an organization is unhappy with a player. Sometimes, the business side of things affects the football side of things.
You also neglect to point out that his tenure in KC came to an end and netted KC a 2nd and a 4th in return. You analogy about Peters being hot or cold isn't true. He like a lot of CBs have bad and good games. When it is all said and done, he is a better player then Waynes. None of this explains why Waynes is worthy of being the 11th pick in a draft BTW.
Yeah he got KC a 2nd and 4th because of the picks. Teams are going to take a chance on that hoping he improves in other areas. But do you not realize that he netted KC a 2nd and 4th and then netted the Rams Kenny Young and a 5th?? Just to let you know there is a drastic difference in the value of those two trades.
In regards to Waynes, I mean I explained not just Waynes but any player being drafted and how it applies to this logic you're coming up with. You literally called Trae Waynes and Anthony Barr busts because you claim they dont warrant #9 and #11. Sorry dude, but just because they werent the 9th best player or 11th best player doesnt mean they were a bust. Like I said, that's just silly.
You're also failing to factor in that 5 of the top 10 players taken in Barr's class were flops. So really there were only 4 guys taken ahead of Barr that I would say are "better players" than Barr. Actually, I would say only 3 players because I'd take Barr over Clowney any day right now. So the only ones ahead of Barr I would currently take are Khalil Mack, Mike Evans and Jake Matthews. So from there, when you take those 3 players and then add any top players that were drafted after Barr that are better than he is...how far is he really away from #9 best player? I sure can tell you it's not that far which makes you call him a "bust" sound that much more ridiculous.
Then go look at the 2015 class, the top 10 before Waynes was not much better than the top 8 taken ahead of Barr.
Fowler- I'd say about even with Waynes
Scherff- good (even though he's never healthy)
Beasley- fell of the face of the earth
Flowers- not good
Gurley- good for a couple years but too banged up to have any sort of longevity
....then there was Waynes. So same thing as Barr's year. Was Waynes really that far away from being the 11th best player in the draft? No.
So you can pull up your personal draft rubric all you want, in the end both players were "in the range" talent wise as where they were picked. Especially when you factor in the flops taken in front of them.
You have got to stop posting responses like this. It is getting hard to take them seriously. You are basically saying that because other teams drafted busts ahead of Waynes and Barr....that it makes our reach for them ok. WTF!?! He's not the 11th best player in the draft. That's what I asked you. Not only is he not worthy of the 11th pick... He was the 3rd best player we drafted that year. What are you really trying to stretch to here? Waynes is not a great player. He is solid. No team aims to draft a solid player with the 11th pick. He is a disappointment. If the Vikings could do it over again... they would not select him with the 11th pick. Case close.
As for Barr, the following guys have outplayed him consistently and were drafted after him.
CJ Mosley - At his position
Zack Martin - Yikes
Shazier - Huge miss. The injury might not happen in Min.
Donald - Hall of Famer
Cooks - Productive at his position no matter where he is.
Verrett - One of the best CBs in the league before the injury
Adams - Top 5 WR
Robinson top 15 WR
Landry - Productive
I stopped in the 2nd round to keep things reasonable. These guys were all available and we took Barr. The 2 LBs drafted after him are better than him and more impactful. Again. Based on play, he's at best a 2nd rounder. If the Vikings had the 9th pick and could do the draft all over, Barr doesn't get selected 9th. Disappointment.