StumpHunter wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:41 am
J. Kapp 11 wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:37 am
Green Bay's choice to draft Love, however, was laughable. Mark it down ... Jordan Love will not be the starter at any time during his rookie contract unless Aaron Rodgers gets hurt. Rodgers at 37 is still playing at a very high level. 2019 wasn't his best year statistically, but he was playing in a new offense for the first time in forever, and they still went 13-3. The biggest factor, however, was that the Packers needed weapons around him. Adams was great, but Valdes-Scantling was a drop machine and Lazard was a nice 3rd receiver but big and slow. Then they took Jordan Love, who many scouts felt (and still feel) has bust written all over him. Yes, Rodgers had a great year — 48 TDs to 5 picks is unbelievable. But if they lose in the playoffs because some team shuts down Adams and the others can't step up to fill the void ... watch the talons come out with fans and the media. They're gonna go right back to that Jordan Love pick. And that criticism will be justified.
I remember when people were saying Rodgers was washed up after last year and no better than Cousins.
Claypool or Higgins (the more likely pick for the Pack) are upgrades over Scantling. Not enough that they would be the difference between losing in the playoff or winning it all though. I also think the Love pick pushed Rodgers to play better more than anything this off season. He had a little extra edge this year, and his team's decision to draft his eventual replacement played a big role in that edge.
37 is actually pretty old for a QB, but we see Brees, Favre and Brady play at a high level at that age and think every elite QB can last that long. We forget that Peyton Manning absolutely fell off a cliff at the age of 39, Carson Palmer only played well until he turned 38, and that Rivers and Big Ben both regressed at 38. Eli Manning was healthy for most of his career and he started showing signs of decline at the age of 36.
After this season it looks silly to have drafted Love so early, but if Rodgers ages like the typical QB (and remember that Rodgers is no iron man like Faver, Brady and Brees) and begins to get hurt regularly next season or regresses due to age, that Love pick could help the Packers more than any WR ever could have. It was a forward thinking pick for a team with tons of talent, something I wish the brain trust in MN would have had the balls to do in 2018 when Jackson fell to them and they took the luxury pick at CB in Hughes.
You make good points on the Rodgers pick. Here's what I'll say.
I don't think competition pushed Aaron Rodgers to play better. I think being unfamiliar in an offense, after playing in the same offense for years under Mike McCarthy, stunted the progress of not only Rodgers, but the entire team. Now that he and the team have adjusted, the results are almost ridiculous.
Here's an excerpt from a great article in The Athletic (by the way, if you invest in only one paid sports journalism service, I highly recommend The Athletic ... I get lost in it every day for hours). The article is talking about the outside zone system that Sean McVay and Kyle Shanahan have used to great effectiveness, and which the Vikings also use, by the way.
What happens if you put a blue-chip quarterback into the system?
That was the idea when the Green Bay Packers hired Matt LaFleur as their head coach in 2019. In the few seasons before LaFleur, Aaron Rodgers was still putting up good numbers but it was becoming more clear that he just wasn’t producing as efficiently as when he was in his prime. He lost trust in Mike McCarthy’s offense and was trying to make too many off-script plays and held the ball far too long.
When LaFleur was hired, it wasn’t all smooth sailing. It usually takes a season for quarterbacks to learn the system and LaFleur and Rodgers had to adapt to each other. For example, the system usually doesn’t give a ton of room for quarterbacks to audible at the line of scrimmage. There are “kill” calls and set audibles that quarterbacks have to make against certain defensive looks but they weren’t typically given license to change the call to whatever they wanted like Peyton Manning was famous for doing. Rodgers’ ability to adjust and change plays at the line of scrimmage is one of his greatest strengths so LaFleur smartly adjusted and gave Rodgers a lot of freedom pre-snap. There were some growing pains in Rodgers’ first season in the system. Even so, he still performed well enough to get the Packers in the NFC Championship.
Rodgers is by far the most talented quarterback currently running this system and this season, he’s fully ingrained in it. It’s made life easier on him and his talents are taking it to new heights. In the regular season, he passed for 48 touchdowns to only five interceptions and completed 70.7 percent of his passes while averaging 8.17 yards per attempt. He’s one of the frontrunners for what would be his third MVP award.
I don't think Jordan Love had anything to do with this.
And I respectfully disagree with you on wide receivers. This was one of the best WR classes in history, and the Packers took nobody. Meanwhile, it wasn't just Claypool. Tee Higgins was available when the Packers drafted. So was Michael Pittman. Brandon Aiyuk was taken just one pick in front of Green Bay. Justin Jefferson four picks. We Vikings fans should thank our lucky stars that Green Bay didn't move up further and steal JJ from us.