psjordan wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 31, 2020 3:08 pm
That's gonna leave a lot of GM's on the unemployment line. While I don't dismiss your take, I certainly feel Zimmer should be first in the firing line if "building a Super Bowl winner" is the criteria
I agree but I don't think either one of them is capable of building a Super Bowl winning team which is why I'd replace them.
It doesn't seem like a particularly tough position when they've been given 7 and 9 years respectively. If a team actually wants to win a championship and not just put butts in seats and turn a profit, the capability to build a champion needs to be the bottom line. On the other hand, if the kind of extended-but-profitable mediocrity the Vikes have perfected is sufficient, Zimmer and Spielman are almost the ideal duo to sustain that mediocrity.
Mannion's been our backup for two seasons. How can we say he's good or bad? On paper he's just fine as a backup. Could it be that this problem was solved two years ago?
It's possible but in an assessment of Spielman's overall performance, past mistakes are still relevant.
Zero benefit to the QB position of the Patriots.
They started and won games (Cassel for the majority of a season). How is that of zero benefit? The moves they made at backup QB didn't end up leaving them with a good starter when Brady finally left but they were still beneficial both at the position and to the team.
Sure. But lot's of backup QB's are acquired in ways other than drafting. And if the focus is "getting the guy", we've never really had the wicked draft capital.
That's the point, they don't need to have it to find "the guy" or a capable starter like Cousins, who Washington drafted in R4. The Vikes could have had Russell Wilson without wicked draft capital. They could have had Lamar Jackson and if they'd simply kept the pick they traded for Bradford, they probably could have had Mahomes or Watson. There are opportunities beyond a mega-trade or an awful season that leads to a top 5 selection.
But even at that, see my comments on Rick's drafting - way too conservative WRT QB's IMO. I do not know if that is his nature or he's being steered that way.
I'm not sure it matters. If he's shrewd enough to see good opportunities to draft QBs but so susceptible to persuasion that he consistently gets steered away from them, the end result is the same and he's still the wrong guy for the job.
Ha! But maybe there is a plan yet ...
Sure, give him another decade or two and he'll probably put it all together.