psjordan wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 31, 2020 1:30 pm
I’m going to throw my own form out the window for the rest of this (loooong) post, in that IRL Rick does NOT make all these decisions by himself. But for brevity and at risk of repeating myself for the 37th time, let’s just say Rick makes all these decisions by himself.
Most of you have valid points. To make it clear, I am NOT stumping to keep Rick as our GM. If I am stumping for anything, it’s that the criteria used in getting rid of (or keeping) Rick be somewhat fair and reasonable.
To that end, IMO there is plenty of “NFL evidence” to fire Rick. There is also plenty such evidence to keep Rick.
IMO there is NOT plenty of evidence to fire Rick because of our backup QB position – I mean, should we fire Rick for:
A) Taking high-risk chances at the quarterback position (Bradford, Cousin’s contract)?
B) NOT taking high-risk chances at the quarterback position (he’s only drafted two)?
C) Drafting a Pro-Bowl QB in the first round BUT we don’t like Rick’s reasons for doing so?
D) Signing and extending a FA QB who has started 47 of the 48 games he has been here BUT we don’t feel like we have an adequate backup QB?
Come on ... Teddy "Pro Bowl" Bridgewater was a sub that year when the actual selections couldn't and wouldn't go to the game.
Is anybody actually suggesting Rick should be fired for a singular "offense" like mismanaging the backup QB position? I may have missed that but it's definitely not my point of view. That mishandling is emblematic of why he should be fired but it's not the
reason he should be fired. There is no singular reason. That's the whole point of taking a broader view of his performance as GM.
The simplest way to express why the Vikings should replace Spielman is: he doesn't appear capable of building a Super Bowl winning team.
I tried to include teams below that have had their guy for a long time (GB, PIT, NE), teams that recently found their guy and teams that have yet to find their guy. Please note I realize some of the points made in this thread surround Rick’s inability to find an adequate backup QB?, and I admit to not knowing what is meant by that. Maybe his inability to find the heir apparent?
My criticism on this front has always been:
1.) The backup QB should be capable of stepping and playing for the starter, at a respectable level, for as long as necessary. Whether that's one game or 15, if a team doesn't have a backup that can at least step in and give them a chance
to win every week, that's a failure of management. Joe Webb was an inadequate backup. Shaun Hill was an inadequate backup because the Vikes clearly thought he was too old to step in for the majority of a season.
Cassell and Keenum were solid backups.
2.) Ideally, if a team lacks a well-established starter, I think it's a good idea to have a "Plan B", a potential heir apparent if their top guy doesn't pan out. The Vikings didn't do this when Jackson was QB or when Ponder and TB were QB (unless anyone really thinks Joe Webb had the potential to develop into a quality NFL starter). I think it's unwise for a team to put all of their eggs in a young starter's basket without a backup plan.
NE has drafted eight QB’s. Cassell did OK with NE when needed, five non-descript, Brissett and Garoppolo traded. Leave Cassell out and that’s a 0% hit rate for actually helping the NE roster survive the Brady departure.
But it wasn't a 0% benefit to the Patriots. Both Cassel and Garoppolo stepped in to help them win games while on the roster and they received value in trade for those players. There was an overall benefit to the franchise and, for example, if Brady had retired or suffered a career-ending injury while Garoppolo was still on the roster, the Pats would have had a good potential successor on their bench. They had the right idea and Brady himself was a quality backup that came off the bench even though the team had a high-profile starter. That they weren't able to keep finding guys like that and didn't have one available when Brady finally left doesn't mean they weren't taking a smart approach along the way.
MIN has drafted five QB’s. Bridgewater (late 1st round) and four non-descript. Admittedly shaky hit rate of 20% for the franchise. But that’s 15 years. Rick has only drafted Bridgewater and Nate Stanley at the QB position in his 12 years as GM.
9 years as GM (2012-2020).
Picking QB’s outside of the first round is a high-risk, little-reward endeavor EVEN IF you are just looking for adequate backups. Basically 80-85% failure rate.
Definitely... and yet teams can find starters or even a Hall of Famer outside of the first round so it's worth looking and it's worth drafting the position, especially if you see something special in a player.
In actuality, I bet they’ve discussed it more than any other position the last 10 years. Whether that resulted in a plan none of us are privy to, I don’t know. If there is no plan, the whole lot should be fired three minutes into the year-end meeting with the Wilfs.
Fire 'em anyway because if what we've seen unfold was the plan, the plan stunk.