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Re: Let's play "Manage the Cap — 2021"

Post by StumpHunter » Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:29 pm

CharVike wrote:
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Not sure where to post this question. But how many of you would trade Cousins and Rieff (or? Barr?) for Deshaun Watson? He's not a happy fellow.
I wouldn't want the guy. He's a public cry baby. You don't want that on your team. Not sure what he is not happy about but it's probably money. These numbers get posted on websites but I don't know how they get them. Does the NFL as a trade association need to provide them. I doubt it. Do private firms or teams need to provide them? That I know they don't. So these are pie in the sky numbers posted by someone. I read Watson will get 39 million. I'm sure others have read a different number. I'll stick with the 39 million and he's unhappy for some reason. I wouldn't give a bag of pop corn for the cry baby. Right now he has one of the best O lines in the game. What till he gets behind a piece of crap line. Those numbers will go down. They do for all when the pressure is turned up. He needs to grow up before I would want him on our team. We get a new OC every year. I'm not sure how he would deal with that. Probably cry to the media again. A big no thanks.
Do you have any quotes from Watson demonstrating he is cry baby?

Watson is the 2nd highest paid QB in the NFL and wants to win, this isn't about money. His team is terrible and they don't have a 1st or 2nd round pick to get better and to top it all off, they are over the cap already next season. You would want to leave that dumpster fire too if you were him.

His oline is one of the best in the game? His Oline gave up 273 pressures on the season, ours 272. We must have one of the best olines in the game too I guess.

You should really do some research instead of making snap judgements about a QB.
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Re: Let's play "Manage the Cap — 2021"

Post by CharVike » Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:17 am

StumpHunter wrote:
Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:29 pm
CharVike wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:11 pm

I wouldn't want the guy. He's a public cry baby. You don't want that on your team. Not sure what he is not happy about but it's probably money. These numbers get posted on websites but I don't know how they get them. Does the NFL as a trade association need to provide them. I doubt it. Do private firms or teams need to provide them? That I know they don't. So these are pie in the sky numbers posted by someone. I read Watson will get 39 million. I'm sure others have read a different number. I'll stick with the 39 million and he's unhappy for some reason. I wouldn't give a bag of pop corn for the cry baby. Right now he has one of the best O lines in the game. What till he gets behind a piece of crap line. Those numbers will go down. They do for all when the pressure is turned up. He needs to grow up before I would want him on our team. We get a new OC every year. I'm not sure how he would deal with that. Probably cry to the media again. A big no thanks.
Do you have any quotes from Watson demonstrating he is cry baby?

Watson is the 2nd highest paid QB in the NFL and wants to win, this isn't about money. His team is terrible and they don't have a 1st or 2nd round pick to get better and to top it all off, they are over the cap already next season. You would want to leave that dumpster fire too if you were him.

His oline is one of the best in the game? His Oline gave up 273 pressures on the season, ours 272. We must have one of the best olines in the game too I guess.

You should really do some research instead of making snap judgements about a QB.
Houston Pro Bowl tackle Laremy Tunsil. I don't think we have a pro bowl anything on the OL. Below is a link about OL class of south. I've never seen anything about our OL being the class of the north.
https://texanswire.usatoday.com/2020/05 ... afc-south/
I'm not looking up who their center or guards are but I would take them over the crap show we have sight unseen. But you claim it's even based on pressures.
Sources say Watson could play hardball with Texans about a trade. His new $156 million contract includes a no-trade clause but informed speculation from a source is that he would consider the @MiamiDolphins in which Tua Tagovailoa and additional compensation goes to Houston.

— Chris Mortensen (@mortreport) January 10, 2021

Breer explains that Mahomes “put in a strong word” for Bieniemy, which prompted Watson to push for Bieniemy. The Texans, who had said they’d consult with Watson, ignored Watson’s suggestion. And that undoubtedly has contributed to the consternation and frustration that Watson is currently feeling.
Watson thinks he should make the coaching decisions. I wouldn't want a guy like that on our team.

Maybe Watson should take a page from Rodgers book and lead a team into the playoffs and stop crying. The Texans have as much talent as the Packers. Neither is what I would call stacked from top to bottom. But it's not like the Pack has anything that has teams shaking beyond Rodgers.
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Re: Let's play "Manage the Cap — 2021"

Post by StumpHunter » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:32 am

CharVike wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:17 am
StumpHunter wrote:
Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:29 pm

Do you have any quotes from Watson demonstrating he is cry baby?

Watson is the 2nd highest paid QB in the NFL and wants to win, this isn't about money. His team is terrible and they don't have a 1st or 2nd round pick to get better and to top it all off, they are over the cap already next season. You would want to leave that dumpster fire too if you were him.

His oline is one of the best in the game? His Oline gave up 273 pressures on the season, ours 272. We must have one of the best olines in the game too I guess.

You should really do some research instead of making snap judgements about a QB.
Houston Pro Bowl tackle Laremy Tunsil. I don't think we have a pro bowl anything on the OL. Below is a link about OL class of south. I've never seen anything about our OL being the class of the north.
https://texanswire.usatoday.com/2020/05 ... afc-south/
I'm not looking up who their center or guards are but I would take them over the crap show we have sight unseen. But you claim it's even based on pressures.
Sources say Watson could play hardball with Texans about a trade. His new $156 million contract includes a no-trade clause but informed speculation from a source is that he would consider the @MiamiDolphins in which Tua Tagovailoa and additional compensation goes to Houston.

— Chris Mortensen (@mortreport) January 10, 2021

Breer explains that Mahomes “put in a strong word” for Bieniemy, which prompted Watson to push for Bieniemy. The Texans, who had said they’d consult with Watson, ignored Watson’s suggestion. And that undoubtedly has contributed to the consternation and frustration that Watson is currently feeling.
Watson thinks he should make the coaching decisions. I wouldn't want a guy like that on our team.

Maybe Watson should take a page from Rodgers book and lead a team into the playoffs and stop crying. The Texans have as much talent as the Packers. Neither is what I would call stacked from top to bottom. But it's not like the Pack has anything that has teams shaking beyond Rodgers.
Tunsil is just one guy on a 5 man line and gave up twice as many sacks as our LT and only 2 fewer pressures. Also, your article from prior to training camp doesn't hold much water compared to the actual results of the season, where Watson's line gave up more pressures than the Vikings.

I asked for a quote of Watson being a "cry baby", and you come back with reports of him wanting to be traded from a terrible team and wanting input on his head coach? You don't think Rodgers gave input on who his new HC would be? He certainly had input about his old one.

The 4 win Houston Texans are as talented as the #1 seed in the NFC? They are certainly close at QB, but going down the position groups: Houston is deeper at WR, but doesn't have the top end guy that GB has, isn't close to being as good on Oline, isn't close to being as good at RB, isn't close to being as good in the secondary, isn't close on the D line, and isn't close at LBer. Outside of the WRs and QB, where is this talent on Houston?
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Re: Let's play "Manage the Cap — 2021"

Post by YikesVikes » Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:30 am

StumpHunter wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:32 am
CharVike wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:17 am

Houston Pro Bowl tackle Laremy Tunsil. I don't think we have a pro bowl anything on the OL. Below is a link about OL class of south. I've never seen anything about our OL being the class of the north.
https://texanswire.usatoday.com/2020/05 ... afc-south/
I'm not looking up who their center or guards are but I would take them over the crap show we have sight unseen. But you claim it's even based on pressures.
Sources say Watson could play hardball with Texans about a trade. His new $156 million contract includes a no-trade clause but informed speculation from a source is that he would consider the @MiamiDolphins in which Tua Tagovailoa and additional compensation goes to Houston.

— Chris Mortensen (@mortreport) January 10, 2021

Breer explains that Mahomes “put in a strong word” for Bieniemy, which prompted Watson to push for Bieniemy. The Texans, who had said they’d consult with Watson, ignored Watson’s suggestion. And that undoubtedly has contributed to the consternation and frustration that Watson is currently feeling.
Watson thinks he should make the coaching decisions. I wouldn't want a guy like that on our team.

Maybe Watson should take a page from Rodgers book and lead a team into the playoffs and stop crying. The Texans have as much talent as the Packers. Neither is what I would call stacked from top to bottom. But it's not like the Pack has anything that has teams shaking beyond Rodgers.
Tunsil is just one guy on a 5 man line and gave up twice as many sacks as our LT and only 2 fewer pressures. Also, your article from prior to training camp doesn't hold much water compared to the actual results of the season, where Watson's line gave up more pressures than the Vikings.

I asked for a quote of Watson being a "cry baby", and you come back with reports of him wanting to be traded from a terrible team and wanting input on his head coach? You don't think Rodgers gave input on who his new HC would be? He certainly had input about his old one.

The 4 win Houston Texans are as talented as the #1 seed in the NFC? They are certainly close at QB, but going down the position groups: Houston is deeper at WR, but doesn't have the top end guy that GB has, isn't close to being as good on Oline, isn't close to being as good at RB, isn't close to being as good in the secondary, isn't close on the D line, and isn't close at LBer. Outside of the WRs and QB, where is this talent on Houston?
:confused: :confused:
I'm as confused as you.
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Re: Let's play "Manage the Cap — 2021"

Post by S197 » Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:10 pm

CharVike wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:11 pm
cmoss84 wrote:
Fri Jan 08, 2021 12:15 am
Not sure where to post this question. But how many of you would trade Cousins and Rieff (or? Barr?) for Deshaun Watson? He's not a happy fellow.
I wouldn't want the guy. He's a public cry baby. You don't want that on your team. Not sure what he is not happy about but it's probably money. These numbers get posted on websites but I don't know how they get them. Does the NFL as a trade association need to provide them. I doubt it. Do private firms or teams need to provide them? That I know they don't. So these are pie in the sky numbers posted by someone. I read Watson will get 39 million. I'm sure others have read a different number. I'll stick with the 39 million and he's unhappy for some reason. I wouldn't give a bag of pop corn for the cry baby. Right now he has one of the best O lines in the game. What till he gets behind a piece of crap line. Those numbers will go down. They do for all when the pressure is turned up. He needs to grow up before I would want him on our team. We get a new OC every year. I'm not sure how he would deal with that. Probably cry to the media again. A big no thanks.
The reason he's unhappy is because ownership told him he would have a say in the next GM and HC. They then proceeded to hire someone without taking any of his input and that's why he's unhappy. Now, you may say that a player doesn't have input on GM/HC positions and that's usually the case, but the Texans specifically told Watson he would have a say in the matter. So it's a very different situation than an ordinary guy overstepping his bounds.

Also, your comments about his contract confuse me. You seem to be alluding that no one knows how much he's making, which is absolutely false. It's well documented and public knowledge, you can find the breakdown here:

https://overthecap.com/player/deshaun-watson/5596/
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Re: Let's play "Manage the Cap — 2021"

Post by CharVike » Thu Jan 14, 2021 12:46 pm

S197 wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:10 pm
CharVike wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:11 pm

I wouldn't want the guy. He's a public cry baby. You don't want that on your team. Not sure what he is not happy about but it's probably money. These numbers get posted on websites but I don't know how they get them. Does the NFL as a trade association need to provide them. I doubt it. Do private firms or teams need to provide them? That I know they don't. So these are pie in the sky numbers posted by someone. I read Watson will get 39 million. I'm sure others have read a different number. I'll stick with the 39 million and he's unhappy for some reason. I wouldn't give a bag of pop corn for the cry baby. Right now he has one of the best O lines in the game. What till he gets behind a piece of crap line. Those numbers will go down. They do for all when the pressure is turned up. He needs to grow up before I would want him on our team. We get a new OC every year. I'm not sure how he would deal with that. Probably cry to the media again. A big no thanks.
The reason he's unhappy is because ownership told him he would have a say in the next GM and HC. They then proceeded to hire someone without taking any of his input and that's why he's unhappy. Now, you may say that a player doesn't have input on GM/HC positions and that's usually the case, but the Texans specifically told Watson he would have a say in the matter. So it's a very different situation than an ordinary guy overstepping his bounds.

Also, your comments about his contract confuse me. You seem to be alluding that no one knows how much he's making, which is absolutely false. It's well documented and public knowledge, you can find the breakdown here:

https://overthecap.com/player/deshaun-watson/5596/
Thanks for clearing that up. Never thought an ownership group would tell a player they would have any say in the selection process for two important positions within the organization. Regardless I wouldn't want the guy. We need much more than a new QB. Unless that new QB was beyond Rodgers. This guy isn't that.
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