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Re: Two moves that might get Vikings to Super Bowl!!!

Post by VikingsVictorious » Tue May 05, 2020 11:24 am

halfgiz wrote:
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I think my faith in Kirk is totally due. He has played great for us.
Not even close for what we're paying him. And I'm going to leave it at that.
We disagree and I'm going to leave it at that.
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Re: Two moves that might get Vikings to Super Bowl!!!

Post by YikesVikes » Wed May 06, 2020 12:12 am

No QB in the NFL is as good as Kirk. Once he stops wearing purple, he will be a bum.
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Re: Two moves that might get Vikings to Super Bowl!!!

Post by CharVike » Wed May 13, 2020 3:21 pm

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If Cam is as great as people think teams would be hitting the ground hard to get him. Bellichick is stupid also. He could get a Super Bowl guy. There are no takers. The Bengals could have signed him and then selected Young in the draft. They didn't like him either. He had one great year. His a great runner first and a one read passer next. He's old to be a runner. Wilson is another guy who is ranked up there and will be a HOFer but don't forget he also had a little help. Ever here of the Legion of Boom defense. That's what carried that team. Our team has never had a D like that. Not even close. Give us that this year and we would be in the Super Bowl. People always miss that little piece of the pie with the Hawks and give Wilson all the credit. It went beyond him. That was a complete team that could do everything well. Including a great ground game. I like our guy Kirk. He the best since Fran. Won a road playoff game against a HOF QB. But he can't win a big game. He had zero chance against the 49ers because our D gave up. But Cousins gets the lose which is how it works for QBs. Brees lost a home playoff game as a heavy favorite against the biggest loser and is considered a winner. I don't get that one.
You can't take anything away from Wilson IMO. He's been making it work with a trash OL and a dearth of skill position guys for some time. He buys time, throws on the run, and makes plays. He's a special player. True, he had a good defense much of his career, but if your standard that a guy has to win it with no weapons around him, with no "help" to be considered a top tier QB....well, there just aren't any top tier QBs.
I posted he will be a HOFer. How is that taking anything away from they guy. The LOB carried that team to a super bowl victory. Wilson was told the most important thing is don't turn it over. Well he took them out of chance to win a 2nd super bowl when he threw an int to Butler. That was a terrible play and it did happen. Wilson did win a super bowl. He won't do it know becuase his current D is very good but it's not close to the LOB. We have the same problem on our team. The D isn't close to a super bowl D. They can't stop the top teams.
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Re: Two moves that might get Vikings to Super Bowl!!!

Post by CharVike » Wed May 13, 2020 3:31 pm

As for Cam.... at the end of the day his former head coach signed his backup instead of him. That tells the entire story.
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Re: Two moves that might get Vikings to Super Bowl!!!

Post by RandyMoss84 » Wed May 13, 2020 8:03 pm

I just saw that Vikings are 12 wins away from having 500 wins
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Re: Two moves that might get Vikings to Super Bowl!!!

Post by StumpHunter » Wed May 13, 2020 8:58 pm

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As for Cam.... at the end of the day his former head coach signed his backup instead of him. That tells the entire story.
Allen is making 650K, and at the time of the trade, Cam was making over 20 million.

Does it makes sense to trade for 20+ million dollar QB when you are already paying Alex Smith 21 million to not play?
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Re: Two moves that might get Vikings to Super Bowl!!!

Post by CharVike » Sat May 16, 2020 3:12 pm

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As for Cam.... at the end of the day his former head coach signed his backup instead of him. That tells the entire story.
Allen is making 650K, and at the time of the trade, Cam was making over 20 million.

Does it makes sense to trade for 20+ million dollar QB when you are already paying Alex Smith 21 million to not play?
There's no trade needed. Skins have CAP for Cam without doing anything based on the space I saw. Riveria knows him better than anybody and if he felt he could help he would bring him in. Some blame Covid 19 or that he's washed uped. He's 30. That's not washed uped age. Old man Brady was signed during the virus. Don't you think a team would want to do a complete physical on a guy of that age first? Cam isn't signed because everything is about him. From his walking out of press conferences to his famous fashion statements. If he was an Arron Rodgers type of passer he would have been signed even with all the other stuff. Bottom line he's a middle of the road guy who plays best when he can run. The running is over for him so he has little value. We need help on D more than anything. In today's came that means rushing the passer, getting guys that can cover and pick off passes and also not allowing a team to pound the ball down your throat. We need to improve all that or we don't have a chance.
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Re: Two moves that might get Vikings to Super Bowl!!!

Post by StumpHunter » Mon May 18, 2020 8:23 am

CharVike wrote:
Sat May 16, 2020 3:12 pm
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Allen is making 650K, and at the time of the trade, Cam was making over 20 million.

Does it makes sense to trade for 20+ million dollar QB when you are already paying Alex Smith 21 million to not play?
There's no trade needed. Skins have CAP for Cam without doing anything based on the space I saw. Riveria knows him better than anybody and if he felt he could help he would bring him in. Some blame Covid 19 or that he's washed uped. He's 30. That's not washed uped age. Old man Brady was signed during the virus. Don't you think a team would want to do a complete physical on a guy of that age first? Cam isn't signed because everything is about him. From his walking out of press conferences to his famous fashion statements. If he was an Arron Rodgers type of passer he would have been signed even with all the other stuff. Bottom line he's a middle of the road guy who plays best when he can run. The running is over for him so he has little value. We need help on D more than anything. In today's came that means rushing the passer, getting guys that can cover and pick off passes and also not allowing a team to pound the ball down your throat. We need to improve all that or we don't have a chance.
Cam isn't signed because he wants to start and be paid like a starter. If he were willing to be a backup somewhere he would have gone before guys like Dalton and Winston.

His injuries history is playing a factor and you would have to be delusional or have some deep seeded bias against him to think otherwise. Cam is a former MVP who when healthy, is a top 10 QB. That isn't really disputable. Even injured he is still better than a number of penciled in starters.
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Re: Two moves that might get Vikings to Super Bowl!!!

Post by VikingsVictorious » Mon May 18, 2020 8:58 am

StumpHunter wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 8:23 am
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There's no trade needed. Skins have CAP for Cam without doing anything based on the space I saw. Riveria knows him better than anybody and if he felt he could help he would bring him in. Some blame Covid 19 or that he's washed uped. He's 30. That's not washed uped age. Old man Brady was signed during the virus. Don't you think a team would want to do a complete physical on a guy of that age first? Cam isn't signed because everything is about him. From his walking out of press conferences to his famous fashion statements. If he was an Arron Rodgers type of passer he would have been signed even with all the other stuff. Bottom line he's a middle of the road guy who plays best when he can run. The running is over for him so he has little value. We need help on D more than anything. In today's came that means rushing the passer, getting guys that can cover and pick off passes and also not allowing a team to pound the ball down your throat. We need to improve all that or we don't have a chance.
Cam isn't signed because he wants to start and be paid like a starter. If he were willing to be a backup somewhere he would have gone before guys like Dalton and Winston.

His injuries history is playing a factor and you would have to be delusional or have some deep seeded bias against him to think otherwise. Cam is a former MVP who when healthy, is a top 10 QB. That isn't really disputable. Even injured he is still better than a number of penciled in starters.
Easily disputable.
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Re: Two moves that might get Vikings to Super Bowl!!!

Post by CharVike » Mon May 18, 2020 4:04 pm

StumpHunter wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 8:23 am
CharVike wrote:
Sat May 16, 2020 3:12 pm

There's no trade needed. Skins have CAP for Cam without doing anything based on the space I saw. Riveria knows him better than anybody and if he felt he could help he would bring him in. Some blame Covid 19 or that he's washed uped. He's 30. That's not washed uped age. Old man Brady was signed during the virus. Don't you think a team would want to do a complete physical on a guy of that age first? Cam isn't signed because everything is about him. From his walking out of press conferences to his famous fashion statements. If he was an Arron Rodgers type of passer he would have been signed even with all the other stuff. Bottom line he's a middle of the road guy who plays best when he can run. The running is over for him so he has little value. We need help on D more than anything. In today's came that means rushing the passer, getting guys that can cover and pick off passes and also not allowing a team to pound the ball down your throat. We need to improve all that or we don't have a chance.
Cam isn't signed because he wants to start and be paid like a starter. If he were willing to be a backup somewhere he would have gone before guys like Dalton and Winston.

His injuries history is playing a factor and you would have to be delusional or have some deep seeded bias against him to think otherwise. Cam is a former MVP who when healthy, is a top 10 QB. That isn't really disputable. Even injured he is still better than a number of penciled in starters.
There's no bias. He was never a great passer or manager of an offense. He had one great season. That trick has been done many times by many QBs. You rate him to high. His former HC needs a starting QB badly and hasn't budged to get him. He don't want the BS for the play he will get from this guy. That's not hard to see. Plenty of teams need a starter and no takers. If he was close to top 10 he would have a job.
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Re: Two moves that might get Vikings to Super Bowl!!!

Post by StumpHunter » Tue May 19, 2020 7:26 am

A couple of things with Cam.

He isn't a good passer, never was. He was a very average passer, albeit with pretty lousy receiving weapons. He WAS a very good QB though. His legs more than compensated for his lack of accuracy which is why Carolina usually had a pretty efficient offense when he was the QB.

He doesn't have that ability to run anymore, and is no longer a top 10 QB. When he was healthy, he was, now he is probably a bottom 10 one.

There are not teams looking for a starter right now. NE appears to be happy with what they have, and Cam is a horrible fit in that system anyway. The Chargers want a vet QB who can easily be replaced with a rookie mid season. Washington makes zero sense for him and you really should examine their QB situation more closely before claiming that his former coach not wanting him there is some kind of indictment on him. Alex Smith is still on their roster making tens of millions and they still believe Haskins could be the answer.

Maybe when camp starts (if it does) and some of these teams see that they need an upgrade he gets a call, but my guess is he retires rather than join a team as a backup.
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Re: Two moves that might get Vikings to Super Bowl!!!

Post by StumpHunter » Tue May 19, 2020 7:27 am

VikingsVictorious wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 8:58 am
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Cam isn't signed because he wants to start and be paid like a starter. If he were willing to be a backup somewhere he would have gone before guys like Dalton and Winston.

His injuries history is playing a factor and you would have to be delusional or have some deep seeded bias against him to think otherwise. Cam is a former MVP who when healthy, is a top 10 QB. That isn't really disputable. Even injured he is still better than a number of penciled in starters.
Easily disputable.
It is easy to dispute the league MVP is not a top 10 QB?
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Re: Two moves that might get Vikings to Super Bowl!!!

Post by fiestavike » Tue May 19, 2020 10:09 am

StumpHunter wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 7:27 am
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Easily disputable.
It is easy to dispute the league MVP is not a top 10 QB?
Of course. Otherwise you could say Dan Marino is a top 10 QB. Time factors into these things.
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Re: Two moves that might get Vikings to Super Bowl!!!

Post by fiestavike » Tue May 19, 2020 10:12 am

Cam's problem is overwhelming that he is a schmuck.

Now he seems to be injury prone as well. That's a bad combination. People can tolerate a guy being a schmuck when he is at his best, winning games, making plays...less so when he is just a schmuck.
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Re: Two moves that might get Vikings to Super Bowl!!!

Post by StumpHunter » Tue May 19, 2020 10:54 am

fiestavike wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 10:09 am
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It is easy to dispute the league MVP is not a top 10 QB?
Of course. Otherwise you could say Dan Marino is a top 10 QB. Time factors into these things.
We were talking top 10 past tense, not now. Cam is a bottom 10 QB now that injuries have taken their toll.
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