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Viking Draft selections

Post by IIsweet » Wed Apr 22, 2020 5:53 pm

I hate to be a pessimist, but I am just not sure how much faith I have in Spielman and co. I am not at all thrilled with his draft history, never have been. Maybe, just maybe, this pandemic is a blessing for the Minnesota Viings draft. Maybe trader Rick won't be able to move all over the place. Maybe he will take BPA and not over think it. We move all over the place and take players and as you can see, very few stick here.

I am hoping that he does not screw this up !!!
Please let us have a great draft, not a head scratcher.

Round Pick # Overall Name Position College
1 4 4 Matt Kalil Offensive tackle USC
1 29 29 Harrison Smith Safety Notre Dame
3 3 66 Josh Robinson Cornerback Central Florida
4 23 118 Jarius Wright Wide receiver Arkansas
4 33 128 Rhett Ellison Fullback USC
4 39 134 Greg Childs Wide receiver Arkansas
5 4 139 Robert Blanton Cornerback Notre Dame
6 5 175 Blair Walsh Kicker Georgia
7 3 210 Audie Cole Linebacker North Carolina State
7 12 219 Trevor Guyton Defensive end California
2013 NFL Draft Edit
Round Pick # Overall Name Position College
1 23 23 Sharrif Floyd Defensive tackle Florida
1 25 25 Xavier Rhodes Cornerback Florida State
1 29 29 Cordarrelle Patterson Wide receiver Tennessee
4 23 120 Gerald Hodges Linebacker Penn State
5 22 155 Jeff Locke Punter UCLA
6 28 196 Jeff Baca Guard UCLA
7 7 213 Michael Mauti Linebacker Penn State
7 8 214 Travis Bond Guard North Carolina
7 23 229 Everett Dawkins Defensive tackle Florida State
2014 NFL Draft Edit
Round Pick # Overall Name Position College
1 9 9 Anthony Barr Linebacker UCLA
1 32 32 Teddy Bridgewater Quarterback Louisville
3 8 72 Scott Crichton Defensive end Oregon State
3 32 96 Jerick McKinnon Running back Georgia Southern
5 5 145 David Yankey Guard Stanford
6 6 182 Antone Exum Cornerback Virginia Tech
6 8 184 Kendall James Cornerback Maine
7 5 220 Shamar Stephen Defensive tackle Connecticut
7 8 223 Brandon Watts Linebacker Georgia Tech
7 10 225 Jabari Price Cornerback North Carolina
2015 NFL Draft Edit
Round Pick # Overall Name Position College
1 11 11 Trae Waynes Cornerback Michigan State
2 13 45 Eric Kendricks Linebacker UCLA
3 24 88 Danielle Hunter Defensive end LSU
4 11 110 T. J. Clemmings Offensive tackle Pittsburgh
5 7 143 MyCole Pruitt Tight end Southern Illinois
5 10 146 Stefon Diggs Wide receiver Maryland
6 9 185 Tyrus Thompson Offensive tackle Oklahoma
6 17 193 B. J. Dubose Defensive end Louisville
7 11 228 Austin Shepherd Offensive tackle Alabama
7 15 232 Edmond Robinson Linebacker Newberry College
2016 NFL Draft Edit
Round Pick # Overall Name Position College
1 23 23 Laquon Treadwell Wide receiver Ole Miss
2 23 54 Mackensie Alexander Cornerback Clemson
4 23 121 Willie Beavers Guard Western Michigan
5 23 160 Kentrell Brothers Linebacker Missouri
6 5 180 Moritz Böhringer Wide receiver Schwäbisch Hall (GFL)
6 13 188 David Morgan Tight end Texas-San Antonio
7 6 227 Stephen Weatherly Linebacker Vanderbilt
7 23 244 Jayron Kearse Safety Clemson
2017 NFL Draft Edit
Round Pick # Overall Name Position College
2 9 41 Dalvin Cook Running back Florida State
3 6 70 Pat Elflein Center Ohio State
4 2 109 Jaleel Johnson Defensive tackle Iowa
4 14 120 Ben Gedeon Linebacker Michigan
5 27 170 Rodney Adams Wide receiver South Florida
5 37 180 Danny Isidora Guard Miami
6 17 201 Bucky Hodges Tight end Virginia Tech
7 1 219 Stacy Coley Wide receiver Miami
7 2 220 Ifeadi Odenigbo Defensive end Northwestern
7 14 242 Elijah Lee Linebacker Kansas State
7 27 245 Jack Tocho Cornerback North Carolina State
2018 NFL Draft Edit
Round Pick # Overall Name Position College
1 30 30 Mike Hughes Cornerback Central Florida
2 30 62 Brian O'Neill Offensive tackle Pittsburgh
4 2 102 Jalyn Holmes Defensive end Ohio State
5 20 157 Tyler Conklin Tight end Central Michigan
5 30 167 Daniel Carlson Kicker Auburn
6 39 213 Colby Gossett Guard Appalachian State
6 44 218 Ade Aruna Defensive end Tulane
7 7 225 Devante Downs Linebacker California
2019 NFL Draft Edit
Round Pick # Overall Name Position College
1 18 18 Garrett Bradbury Center North Carolina State
2 18 50 Irv Smith Jr. Tight end Alabama
3 39 102 Alexander Mattison Running back Boise State
4 12 114 Dru Samia Guard Oklahoma
5 24 162 Cameron Smith Linebacker USC
6 18 190 Armon Watts Defensive tackle Arkansas
6 19 191 Marcus Epps Safety Wyoming
6 21 193 Olisaemeka Udoh Offensive tackle Elon
7 3 217 Kris Boyd Cornerback Texas
7 25 239 Dillon Mitchell Wide receiver Oregon
7 33 247 Bisi Johnson Wide receiver Colorado State
7 36 250 Austin Cutting Long snapper Air Force
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Re: Viking Draft selections

Post by RandyMoss84 » Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:18 pm

Looking at his draft history, yeah, his drafts have not been great overall
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Re: Viking Draft selections

Post by VikingsVictorious » Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:39 pm

IIsweet wrote:
Wed Apr 22, 2020 5:53 pm
I hate to be a pessimist, but I am just not sure how much faith I have in Spielman and co. I am not at all thrilled with his draft history, never have been. Maybe, just maybe, this pandemic is a blessing for the Minnesota Viings draft. Maybe trader Rick won't be able to move all over the place. Maybe he will take BPA and not over think it. We move all over the place and take players and as you can see, very few stick here.

I am hoping that he does not screw this up !!!
Please let us have a great draft, not a head scratcher.

Round Pick # Overall Name Position College
1 4 4 Matt Kalil Offensive tackle USC
1 29 29 Harrison Smith Safety Notre Dame
3 3 66 Josh Robinson Cornerback Central Florida
4 23 118 Jarius Wright Wide receiver Arkansas
4 33 128 Rhett Ellison Fullback USC
4 39 134 Greg Childs Wide receiver Arkansas
5 4 139 Robert Blanton Cornerback Notre Dame
6 5 175 Blair Walsh Kicker Georgia
7 3 210 Audie Cole Linebacker North Carolina State
7 12 219 Trevor Guyton Defensive end California
2013 NFL Draft Edit
Round Pick # Overall Name Position College
1 23 23 Sharrif Floyd Defensive tackle Florida
1 25 25 Xavier Rhodes Cornerback Florida State
1 29 29 Cordarrelle Patterson Wide receiver Tennessee
4 23 120 Gerald Hodges Linebacker Penn State
5 22 155 Jeff Locke Punter UCLA
6 28 196 Jeff Baca Guard UCLA
7 7 213 Michael Mauti Linebacker Penn State
7 8 214 Travis Bond Guard North Carolina
7 23 229 Everett Dawkins Defensive tackle Florida State
2014 NFL Draft Edit
Round Pick # Overall Name Position College
1 9 9 Anthony Barr Linebacker UCLA
1 32 32 Teddy Bridgewater Quarterback Louisville
3 8 72 Scott Crichton Defensive end Oregon State
3 32 96 Jerick McKinnon Running back Georgia Southern
5 5 145 David Yankey Guard Stanford
6 6 182 Antone Exum Cornerback Virginia Tech
6 8 184 Kendall James Cornerback Maine
7 5 220 Shamar Stephen Defensive tackle Connecticut
7 8 223 Brandon Watts Linebacker Georgia Tech
7 10 225 Jabari Price Cornerback North Carolina
2015 NFL Draft Edit
Round Pick # Overall Name Position College
1 11 11 Trae Waynes Cornerback Michigan State
2 13 45 Eric Kendricks Linebacker UCLA
3 24 88 Danielle Hunter Defensive end LSU
4 11 110 T. J. Clemmings Offensive tackle Pittsburgh
5 7 143 MyCole Pruitt Tight end Southern Illinois
5 10 146 Stefon Diggs Wide receiver Maryland
6 9 185 Tyrus Thompson Offensive tackle Oklahoma
6 17 193 B. J. Dubose Defensive end Louisville
7 11 228 Austin Shepherd Offensive tackle Alabama
7 15 232 Edmond Robinson Linebacker Newberry College
2016 NFL Draft Edit
Round Pick # Overall Name Position College
1 23 23 Laquon Treadwell Wide receiver Ole Miss
2 23 54 Mackensie Alexander Cornerback Clemson
4 23 121 Willie Beavers Guard Western Michigan
5 23 160 Kentrell Brothers Linebacker Missouri
6 5 180 Moritz Böhringer Wide receiver Schwäbisch Hall (GFL)
6 13 188 David Morgan Tight end Texas-San Antonio
7 6 227 Stephen Weatherly Linebacker Vanderbilt
7 23 244 Jayron Kearse Safety Clemson
2017 NFL Draft Edit
Round Pick # Overall Name Position College
2 9 41 Dalvin Cook Running back Florida State
3 6 70 Pat Elflein Center Ohio State
4 2 109 Jaleel Johnson Defensive tackle Iowa
4 14 120 Ben Gedeon Linebacker Michigan
5 27 170 Rodney Adams Wide receiver South Florida
5 37 180 Danny Isidora Guard Miami
6 17 201 Bucky Hodges Tight end Virginia Tech
7 1 219 Stacy Coley Wide receiver Miami
7 2 220 Ifeadi Odenigbo Defensive end Northwestern
7 14 242 Elijah Lee Linebacker Kansas State
7 27 245 Jack Tocho Cornerback North Carolina State
2018 NFL Draft Edit
Round Pick # Overall Name Position College
1 30 30 Mike Hughes Cornerback Central Florida
2 30 62 Brian O'Neill Offensive tackle Pittsburgh
4 2 102 Jalyn Holmes Defensive end Ohio State
5 20 157 Tyler Conklin Tight end Central Michigan
5 30 167 Daniel Carlson Kicker Auburn
6 39 213 Colby Gossett Guard Appalachian State
6 44 218 Ade Aruna Defensive end Tulane
7 7 225 Devante Downs Linebacker California
2019 NFL Draft Edit
Round Pick # Overall Name Position College
1 18 18 Garrett Bradbury Center North Carolina State
2 18 50 Irv Smith Jr. Tight end Alabama
3 39 102 Alexander Mattison Running back Boise State
4 12 114 Dru Samia Guard Oklahoma
5 24 162 Cameron Smith Linebacker USC
6 18 190 Armon Watts Defensive tackle Arkansas
6 19 191 Marcus Epps Safety Wyoming
6 21 193 Olisaemeka Udoh Offensive tackle Elon
7 3 217 Kris Boyd Cornerback Texas
7 25 239 Dillon Mitchell Wide receiver Oregon
7 33 247 Bisi Johnson Wide receiver Colorado State
7 36 250 Austin Cutting Long snapper Air Force
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I see a lot of bad picks and some very great picks and everywhere in-between. I also see picks that started great and fell apart later like Kalil and Walsh.
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Post by IIsweet » Wed Apr 22, 2020 7:18 pm

When I look at these, I see a lot of6th and 7th rd picks. Spielman says that he loves accumulating players. However, we keep trading down and accumulating bench players, practice squad guys, and players to be cut.
Look at rounds 5-7 every year. Who stands out ? K Walsh, P Locke, WR Diggs, DE Odenigbo, S Kearse....
That's 8 drafts and 46 players !
I don't understand the need to always accumulate picks. In hope that we find a Diamond. Honestly 1 in 8 years in Diggs and he was a 5th rd pick.
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Post by VikingsVictorious » Wed Apr 22, 2020 7:25 pm

IIsweet wrote:
Wed Apr 22, 2020 7:18 pm
When I look at these, I see a lot of6th and 7th rd picks. Spielman says that he loves accumulating players. However, we keep trading down and accumulating bench players, practice squad guys, and players to be cut.
Look at rounds 5-7 every year. Who stands out ? K Walsh, P Locke, WR Diggs, DE Odenigbo, S Kearse....
That's 8 drafts and 46 players !
I don't understand the need to always accumulate picks. In hope that we find a Diamond. Honestly 1 in 8 years in Diggs and he was a 5th rd pick.
You are taking a very negative view of what has actually been quite successful. We haven't been getting stars in the 5th through 7th except Diggs, but have have gotten many contributors in those rounds. Jury is out, but I'm hopeful of stardom for Udoh.
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Post by IIsweet » Wed Apr 22, 2020 10:11 pm

It's not necessarily a negative point. I am just questioning why we continue to move down and never up where the talent is ???
You mention Udoh, a 6th rder last year. I agree, maybe a future, but why are we playing a 6th rder ? Because all of our previous 4th -7th rd OL picks are no longer with us !!! Bisi Johnson got play time last year as a 7th rd pick. Again, why? Because we fill our roster with so many bodies and don't fill it with Studs. It is not for trying, they just suck at drafting WR.
Basically, if Spielman believes in a roster of high priced players and mixing with lowest priced guys to make a team, then it is what it is.
I guess that I am not sold on the Vikings drafts under Spielman. Not entirely his fault, I get it, but he is the GM.
Just hoping for a great draft one day. Hoping that this is the first of many.
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Post by RandyMoss84 » Wed Apr 22, 2020 10:17 pm

IIsweet wrote:
Wed Apr 22, 2020 10:11 pm
It's not necessarily a negative point. I am just questioning why we continue to move down and never up where the talent is ???
You mention Udoh, a 6th rder last year. I agree, maybe a future, but why are we playing a 6th rder ? Because all of our previous 4th -7th rd OL picks are no longer with us !!! Bisi Johnson got play time last year as a 7th rd pick. Again, why? Because we fill our roster with so many bodies and don't fill it with Studs. It is not for trying, they just suck at drafting WR.
Basically, if Spielman believes in a roster of high priced players and mixing with lowest priced guys to make a team, then it is what it is.
I guess that I am not sold on the Vikings drafts under Spielman. Not entirely his fault, I get it, but he is the GM.
Just hoping for a great draft one day. Hoping that this is the first of many.
Because Vikings need to fill holes so that is why Vikings do not trade up very often
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Post by fiestavike » Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:45 am

I look at just the late round players and come away with a different impression. Those rounds have been pretty darn good! The picks are cheap, and the returns pretty solid. Granted there are a lot of 'misses' (if a 7th rounder can be called a miss), but also a lot of guys who made contributions on the Vikings, some who stuck on the roster, some remain to be determined, and others who stuck on other NFL rosters. As you pointed out, one of those players gave us years of excellent WR play and a 1st round pick (plus other picks in return). I think the record in the early rounds might suggest we should nearly always trade back with our first round picks, because even those guys are far from sure things. The more picks the better!
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Post by VikingsVictorious » Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:53 am

fiestavike wrote:
Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:45 am
I look at just the late round players and come away with a different impression. Those rounds have been pretty darn good! The picks are cheap, and the returns pretty solid. Granted there are a lot of 'misses' (if a 7th rounder can be called a miss), but also a lot of guys who made contributions on the Vikings, some who stuck on the roster, some remain to be determined, and others who stuck on other NFL rosters. As you pointed out, one of those players gave us years of excellent WR play and a 1st round pick (plus other picks in return). I think the record in the early rounds might suggest we should nearly always trade back with our first round picks, because even those guys are far from sure things. The more picks the better!
What late round WR gave us a year of excellent play? Certainly not Bisi.
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Re: Viking Draft selections

Post by fiestavike » Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:00 am

VikingsVictorious wrote:
Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:53 am
fiestavike wrote:
Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:45 am
I look at just the late round players and come away with a different impression. Those rounds have been pretty darn good! The picks are cheap, and the returns pretty solid. Granted there are a lot of 'misses' (if a 7th rounder can be called a miss), but also a lot of guys who made contributions on the Vikings, some who stuck on the roster, some remain to be determined, and others who stuck on other NFL rosters. As you pointed out, one of those players gave us years of excellent WR play and a 1st round pick (plus other picks in return). I think the record in the early rounds might suggest we should nearly always trade back with our first round picks, because even those guys are far from sure things. The more picks the better!
What late round WR gave us a year of excellent play? Certainly not Bisi.
Diggs
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Re: Viking Draft selections

Post by VikingsVictorious » Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:37 am

fiestavike wrote:
Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:00 am
VikingsVictorious wrote:
Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:53 am

What late round WR gave us a year of excellent play? Certainly not Bisi.
Diggs
I misread you. I thought it said a year of excellent play not years.
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Post by IIsweet » Thu Apr 23, 2020 1:25 pm

I am always an optimistic person, but we draft so many players that are out of the league quicker than any other team. I get it with so many draft picks, but when you draft people, you have to replace people.
I just am hoping for a great draft.
As far as needs, we continue to move down and possibly miss on guys that could have solidified those needs.
I would be curious as to how many guys we missed out on because we traded down, have gone on to have solid starting NFL careers.
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Post by VikingLord » Thu Apr 23, 2020 3:14 pm

IIsweet wrote:
Thu Apr 23, 2020 1:25 pm
I am always an optimistic person, but we draft so many players that are out of the league quicker than any other team. I get it with so many draft picks, but when you draft people, you have to replace people.
I just am hoping for a great draft.
As far as needs, we continue to move down and possibly miss on guys that could have solidified those needs.
I would be curious as to how many guys we missed out on because we traded down, have gone on to have solid starting NFL careers.
I know it's tempting to look at what Rick Spielman has done in the draft in isolation and say he sucks, but that's not the best way to look at his performance, nor is it really fair to him.

The best way to look at the performance of any GM is to compare his performance to his peers. For purposes of comparing draft performance to peers, you almost have to look at a given draft after about 3 years have passed to see how the players chosen panned out. After 3 years, how many of the selected players are starters for their original team? How many are major contributors, either in the original role for which they were chosen or in any role (like special teams)? How many are not on their original team, but are starters elsewhere? How many are not on their original team but are still in the league? How many have made a pro bowl or gotten recognition as an all pro?

Then you stack up these results across all GMs in the NFL and you can get a pretty good idea of where your team's GM stands relative to his peers.

My guess is Spielman is probably pretty average when it comes to his draft results. In terms of his overall performance as a GM, that is harder to say, because that includes other things like free agency and trades and what-not. That could potentially be evaluated more objectively in other ways, such as looking at individual player rankings in key statistical categories over a set time period. If a trade was made, what was the relative impact on each trade partner by the traded player(s) over the set time? If picks were traded, look at the same for the players chosen by each team. Etc.

While the above is the most objective way to evaluate a given GM, a more crude way to do it is simply to look at team results during the GM's tenure - how many division, conference, and league championships were won? How many seasons with winning records? The more crude measures don't isolate things specific to the GM so they're not as good at calling out his performance relative to that of others, but they can still provide some useful information to compare with other teams.
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Re: Viking Draft selections

Post by JonPurpleHaze » Thu Apr 23, 2020 5:19 pm

Wanted to mention that I was watching ESPN yesterday and in the stats ticker on the bottom, I believe it mentioned that the Vikings have the highest percentage of all teams with players that were drafted by that team and still on their roster, think it was something like 57%.

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Re: Viking Draft selections

Post by VikingsVictorious » Thu Apr 23, 2020 5:51 pm

IIsweet wrote:
Thu Apr 23, 2020 1:25 pm
I am always an optimistic person, but we draft so many players that are out of the league quicker than any other team. I get it with so many draft picks, but when you draft people, you have to replace people.
I just am hoping for a great draft.
As far as needs, we continue to move down and possibly miss on guys that could have solidified those needs.
I would be curious as to how many guys we missed out on because we traded down, have gone on to have solid starting NFL careers.
I looked for the players that would have reasonable to think we would have drafted if we didn't trade down and there were almost none that mattered at all. And the ones that would have been OK would have taken 20/20 hindsight. The year we drafted Conklin we missed a TE I think named Smith who looked like a good prospect. He was taken like one spot before we could have grabbed him.
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