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Re: Just Kidding Offseason

Post by VikeFanInEagleLand » Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:52 am

Cliff wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:37 am
To me when I look at Case Keenum on the Vikings I see what Nick Foles is for the Eagles - you need the right situation and they can do well and get wins.

I think it's safe to assume that Carson Wentz is the overall better QB on that roster but for some reason the Eagles look a *lot* better with Foles at the helm. They are 4-1 with Foles as the starter, 5-6 with Wentz. It's entirely possible that if Wentz stayed healthy the Vikings would be in the playoffs.

Sometimes team chemistry is more important than stats or raw ability.
Absolutely. I'm the only non-Eagles fan in my family (except for youngest son who likes the Titans) I watched the Eagles game at my inlaws on Sunday and even though they are excited for Foles, when they are asked who should be the starting QB next year, they all want Wentz because he's the "better QB". I just don't understand what "better QB" means anymore. I thought the goal was to make the throws when you need to and WIN. But I guess I'm wrong. It's more important that you CAN make the throws than it is to actually make them. My bad.
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Re: Just Kidding Offseason

Post by StumpHunter » Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:58 pm

mansquatch wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:42 am
I think Doug Pederson has a lot to do with that. Whatever it is, Pederson + Foles = Magic

Did you see some of the plays they ran vs. the Bears. At one point Foles faked a screen right, faked it left, then tagged the TE on a delay route over the middle. It was one of the most innovating plays I've ever seen.
Foles lead the league in passer rating his first year as a starter for the Eagles, without Pederson, then struggled for years after that. I look at Foles like I would look at a great closer in baseball. He has a couple of pitches that are really hard to hit, but you leave him in for more than an inning or two, and batters will figure him out. Foles starts an entire season, and NFL DC's are going to figure out how to stop him.
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Re: Just Kidding Offseason

Post by mike2mike » Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:10 pm

Pondering Her Percy wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:34 am
Would be a pretty crazy offseason.

Guess I’m not sure what a “Keenum type player” is. Like where are those found? Keenum was a terrible QB that nobody cared about when we signed him. His play was more based off of the system and a little luck last year. Not his skills. Siemien was literally the exact type QB this year. He was a below average QB with a little starting experience to serve as a number 2. If there were legit “Keenum type players” out there, they’d be getting scooped up to start and paid a lot more money than what we gave Case Keenum last year. The term “Case Keenum type player” doesn’t exist in my book. It was a feel good story that we lucked out on. I mean the chances of us finding a QB that nobody knows or cares about, paying him $2 million or less and he leads us to a 13-3 record and an NFC championship berth are literally near zero. We had a luxury last year not having to pay our starting QB boat loads of money and having a good season. If you want good, consistent QB play, 95% of the time you’re probably going to have to pay for it or spend an early pick on it (which we haven’t had in a few years).

We need to just move forward with cousins, continue to build around him and see what this team can do
I guess I’m not sure what a just kidding offseason is.. just kidding.
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Re: Just Kidding Offseason

Post by Pondering Her Percy » Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:02 pm

PurpleKoolaid wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:20 am
Pondering Her Percy wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:34 am
Would be a pretty crazy offseason.

Guess I’m not sure what a “Keenum type player” is. Like where are those found? Keenum was a terrible QB that nobody cared about when we signed him. His play was more based off of the system and a little luck last year. Not his skills. Siemien was literally the exact type QB this year. He was a below average QB with a little starting experience to serve as a number 2. If there were legit “Keenum type players” out there, they’d be getting scooped up to start and paid a lot more money than what we gave Case Keenum last year. The term “Case Keenum type player” doesn’t exist in my book. It was a feel good story that we lucked out on. I mean the chances of us finding a QB that nobody knows or cares about, paying him $2 million or less and he leads us to a 13-3 record and an NFC championship berth are literally near zero. We had a luxury last year not having to pay our starting QB boat loads of money and having a good season. If you want good, consistent QB play, 95% of the time you’re probably going to have to pay for it or spend an early pick on it (which we haven’t had in a few years).

We need to just move forward with cousins, continue to build around him and see what this team can do
A keenum type player is one where he wins 13 games behind a horrid offense, and the crowd loves him. Basically the opposite type of player Cousins is. Accuracy isnt everything when you are a chicken behind an offensive line.

Im so friggin tired of you bashing Case and praising Cousins on almost every post.
1.) Not once did I even bring up Kirk Cousins name in that post so not sure where you're going there.

2.) Keenum was behind a "horrid offense"? You're continuing to forget one thing....the system. If Case Keenum was actually a GOOD QB, he'd have more than 1 good season in 7 years. He was a system QB that has failed in every system but Shurmurs. Shurmur is now gone and Case is now once again under performing in Denver. I dont hate the guy. Last years ride was awesome. But I dont think Case Keenum is a good QB nor do I trust him outside of a Pat Shurmur system. And that has showed when you look at his career and now.

3.) You still didnt answer the question of: Where do you find that "Case Keenum type player" that some refer to? For $2 million per year that nobody else knows about and fits your system near perfect? The chances of finding that player are at about 1% or less. And let's not forget, chances are, the name Case Keenum wouldnt even be talked about on here if he didnt become the starter by default. If Bradford stayed healthy like he did the previous season, Case Keenum is still just another "run of the mill" NFL backup. And last I remember, when he was signed as a backup, everyone was like....meh. Me included. If anything, the entire situation was more of a "luck of the draw" type situation. Saying we shouldnt have signed Cousins and went with a "Case Keenum type QB" like we had last year.....that's not realistic. Go ahead and sign a Trevor Siemien to start for us for $2 mill a year just so we can spend a bunch of money on other positions and lets see how much the fan base likes that. Or even sign a Teddy or Case at $15-$20 mill a year....Case has been horrible this year and Teddy couldnt perform worth a damn in a mop up game. Trust me, we have it a lot better than some think. Because there was no better out on the market that's for sure.

4.) I wouldnt say the crowd hates Kirk Cousins. You are towards Cousins how you are towards Ponder. You legit hate the guy from what you say. Like you wished injury on Ponder, I feel it's the same for Cousins in your book. Cousins isnt an arrogant d-bag like Aaron Rodgers and he isnt an awful teammate like Jay Cutler was. Overall, he's a pretty stand up guy, a leader and a good teammate. Just because you cant stand him, doesnt mean that's the crowds view on him. I have said before and I will say it again, I'm not "praising Cousins on almost every post". I'm being realistic. Realistic in the sense that there were multiple problems from the FO to the kicker this year. You dont think I'm tired (and others are tired) of seeing you bash Cousins almost any chance you get in the chat and in threads? It's impossible to avoid Cousins chatter on here. Literally. Do I think Kirk Cousins is God? Not even close. Do I think Cousins made his mistakes this year? 100%. But am I going to sit here and bash him and point the finger at him because we didnt repeat last year? Never. Am I going to critique every throw he has and continue to sarcastically say "NICE THROW KIRK"? No. It's not just Kirk, it's not just the OL, it is MULTIPLE things. And I will say that Kirk Cousins is nowhere near #1 on that list. So I guess you can continue to throw the "you think Cousins is god" crap in my face but time and time again and put words in my mouth, but never was/is that the case and I've addressed that multiple times.

5.) And finally, didnt you foe me?......You said you're sick of hearing me "bash" Case and "praise" Cousins but you told me weeks ago you foed me?? Weird :confused:
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Re: Just Kidding Offseason

Post by Pondering Her Percy » Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:03 pm

mike2mike wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:10 pm
Pondering Her Percy wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:34 am
Would be a pretty crazy offseason.

Guess I’m not sure what a “Keenum type player” is. Like where are those found? Keenum was a terrible QB that nobody cared about when we signed him. His play was more based off of the system and a little luck last year. Not his skills. Siemien was literally the exact type QB this year. He was a below average QB with a little starting experience to serve as a number 2. If there were legit “Keenum type players” out there, they’d be getting scooped up to start and paid a lot more money than what we gave Case Keenum last year. The term “Case Keenum type player” doesn’t exist in my book. It was a feel good story that we lucked out on. I mean the chances of us finding a QB that nobody knows or cares about, paying him $2 million or less and he leads us to a 13-3 record and an NFC championship berth are literally near zero. We had a luxury last year not having to pay our starting QB boat loads of money and having a good season. If you want good, consistent QB play, 95% of the time you’re probably going to have to pay for it or spend an early pick on it (which we haven’t had in a few years).

We need to just move forward with cousins, continue to build around him and see what this team can do
I guess I’m not sure what a just kidding offseason is.. just kidding.
I know you're kidding dude. It was more along the line of where do you find "that player" you're referring to is all I'm asking?
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