O' Neill's best spot longterm

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O' Neill's best spot longterm

Post by Maelstrom88 » Thu Nov 01, 2018 6:07 pm

I'm curious how many view him as the LT long-term and how many think he's better suited on the right side. He's been pretty good so far although he does struggle with bullrushes in my opinion another off-season in the strength and conditioning program could go a long way to rectifying that. I think if they view him as a long-term answer at left tackle they might as well put him there now.
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Re: O' Neill's best spot longterm

Post by dead_poet » Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:28 pm

Maelstrom88 wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 6:07 pm
I'm curious how many view him as the LT long-term and how many think he's better suited on the right side. He's been pretty good so far although he does struggle with bulrushes in my opinion another off-season in the strength and conditioning program could go a long way to rectifying that. I think if they view him as a long-term answer at left tackle they might as well put him there now.
Reiff is signed through 2021 (he'll be 31/32). I think the team likes him at LT. I doubt they switch the two. O'Neil probably gets first shot at replacing him when his contract is up, though. Assuming he plays well enough.

He's out going to get stronger with an NFL off-season and putting on weight. He's been far ahead of expectations.
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Re: O' Neill's best spot longterm

Post by Maelstrom88 » Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:24 pm

dead_poet wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:28 pm
Maelstrom88 wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 6:07 pm
I'm curious how many view him as the LT long-term and how many think he's better suited on the right side. He's been pretty good so far although he does struggle with bulrushes in my opinion another off-season in the strength and conditioning program could go a long way to rectifying that. I think if they view him as a long-term answer at left tackle they might as well put him there now.
Reiff is signed through 2021 (he'll be 31/32). I think the team likes him at LT. I doubt they switch the two. O'Neil probably gets first shot at replacing him when his contract is up, though. Assuming he plays well enough.

He's out going to get stronger with an NFL off-season and putting on weight. He's been far ahead of expectations.
Do you like Reiff at LT? I think he is decent but I would like him a lot more on the right side. If we were really spoiled maybe even pl at him inside.
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Re: O' Neill's best spot longterm

Post by dead_poet » Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:29 am

Maelstrom88 wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:24 pm
dead_poet wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:28 pm


Reiff is signed through 2021 (he'll be 31/32). I think the team likes him at LT. I doubt they switch the two. O'Neil probably gets first shot at replacing him when his contract is up, though. Assuming he plays well enough.

He's out going to get stronger with an NFL off-season and putting on weight. He's been far ahead of expectations.
Do you like Reiff at LT? I think he is decent but I would like him a lot more on the right side. If we were really spoiled maybe even pl at him inside.
I do. When he's healthy. I just don't see enough of a benefit to switch. If anything, Reiff (last year, when healthy) performed better at LT than he did in Detroit at RT. I feel like he's better over there. I wouldn't move him inside. Remmers is a better tackle and he's playing guard (poorly). A lot could depend on the talent we bring in this off-season.
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Re: O' Neill's best spot longterm

Post by mansquatch » Fri Nov 02, 2018 11:42 am

Reiff's worst seasons in DET were at RT. His natural position is LT. Vikings would be very stupid to move him unless something has changed in practice to make them think that his previous stint at RT wouldn't be repeated.
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Post by YikesVikes » Sun Nov 04, 2018 6:04 pm

I expect either Reiff or Remmer to be gone next season as a cap hit. My money is on Remmers. I think Oniel would be better served on the LT side because the weight of RDEs are typically lower than your LDE. He has been fantastic at RT. I thought he would get pushed around a lot more than he has. Another year of strength building (lower) and he should be a lock down RT.
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Re: O' Neill's best spot longterm

Post by Rhodes Closed » Sun Nov 04, 2018 6:35 pm

Why do people want O'Neill on the LT spot when Reiff sucks at RT?

Where is the logic in this?
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Re: O' Neill's best spot longterm

Post by YikesVikes » Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:06 pm

Rhodes Closed wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 6:35 pm
Why do people want O'Neill on the LT spot when Reiff sucks at RT?

Where is the logic in this?
He sucked at tackle in DET scheme. Not the same thing as our scheme. Also, perhaps we let him go if we are able to draft a stellar RT. Save about 7 million on him and 5 million on Remmers.
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Re: O' Neill's best spot longterm

Post by Rhodes Closed » Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:29 pm

YikesVikes wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:06 pm
Rhodes Closed wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 6:35 pm
Why do people want O'Neill on the LT spot when Reiff sucks at RT?

Where is the logic in this?
He sucked at tackle in DET scheme. Not the same thing as our scheme. Also, perhaps we let him go if we are able to draft a stellar RT. Save about 7 million on him and 5 million on Remmers.
Who would you draft that's a for sure bet to be better than Reiff right now?
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Re: O' Neill's best spot longterm

Post by YikesVikes » Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:26 am

Rhodes Closed wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:29 pm
YikesVikes wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:06 pm


He sucked at tackle in DET scheme. Not the same thing as our scheme. Also, perhaps we let him go if we are able to draft a stellar RT. Save about 7 million on him and 5 million on Remmers.
Who would you draft that's a for sure bet to be better than Reiff right now?
They may not be better but give us the same production for about 1 million a year. I have several with potential.
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Re: O' Neill's best spot longterm

Post by Rhodes Closed » Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:34 am

YikesVikes wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:26 am
Rhodes Closed wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:29 pm


Who would you draft that's a for sure bet to be better than Reiff right now?
They may not be better but give us the same production for about 1 million a year. I have several with potential.
Mind you I said "For Sure" in that statement. Are any of these for sure not going to become Matt Kalil?
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Re: O' Neill's best spot longterm

Post by Maelstrom88 » Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:52 am

Rhodes Closed wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:29 pm
YikesVikes wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:06 pm


He sucked at tackle in DET scheme. Not the same thing as our scheme. Also, perhaps we let him go if we are able to draft a stellar RT. Save about 7 million on him and 5 million on Remmers.
Who would you draft that's a for sure bet to be better than Reiff right now?
No one is a for sure bet in the NFL draft. What we do know for sure is that Reiff is just barely adequate at best and will never be Orlando Pace. Reiff graded 48 last year on PFF and this was in a Shurmur scheme that called for a lot of quick passes.

In fact, according to PFF Reiff graded 70 at RT in Detroit and 48 (poor) in his first year at LT here. Even Matt Kalil graded higher last year. So I think there is a reasonable debate to be had about O' Neill moving to the left side and Reiff either being cut or moved to the right.

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Re: O' Neill's best spot longterm

Post by S197 » Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:01 pm

I've very much done with PFF ratings, they've gone from suspect to downright laughable. Don't believe me? See where they rank Hunter amongst pass rushers.
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Re: O' Neill's best spot longterm

Post by mansquatch » Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:04 pm

For those calling for Reiff to be cut, i have a question: Who is the best OL on the team? Who is #2? Who is #3?

My guess is that Reiff and Elflein will share the top two spots quite consistently if everyone on this board answers the above. So what I have trouble squaring is on a team where the obvious weakness is the OL, WHY (!?!?!) would they want to cut one of their two best players? Especially if that guy is the Left Tackle? I just don't see it. Sorry.
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Re: O' Neill's best spot longterm

Post by mansquatch » Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:05 pm

S197 wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:01 pm
I've very much done with PFF ratings, they've gone from suspect to downright laughable. Don't believe me? See where they rank Hunter amongst pass rushers.
AMEN to this. It annoys the crap out of me that Collinsworth continues to plug them on SNF also. Who cares where a guy is rated on PFF. I love that Zimmer called out this malarchy for what it is so long ago.
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