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It would be nice if Treadwell had a Sidney Rice type of third year. Maybe not quite the same production given who is in front of him but I think they are similar receivers in that they're bigger WR's who aren't going to outrun you but perhaps can out body/jump you.

I guess what I'm saying is there is precedent to go from underperforming to carving out a big role in year three with a new QB. I don't know if that'll happen or not but it wouldn't be the first time.

As for Wright, I wish him well but I think one of Coley/Jones/Zylstra can provide a similar role. What we really need is a bonafide #3 option, not a guy that catches 11-18 passes a year. That's a fine role to have at a rookie pay scale or vet minimum, but not at $2.5M-$3M.


It would be ideal wouldn't it?

The thing is, Rice actually showed *something* during his first two years. He had nearly 8 TDs on limited playing time in 2007 and 2008. It is fair to say Rice was our most talented WR in 2007, and probably 2008 behind Bernard Berrian. Nevertheless, he rarely saw the field due to mismanagement on part of Brad Childress and Darrell Bevel. Thank God Favre was smart enough to realize what a game wrecker Rice could be.

The problem is Sidney Rice was higher second round draft pick - not a first round pick. Who knows. Maybe Treadwell can do something this year? I hope so. However, for every Sidney Rice break out season there are many more 'Troy Williamson's' who just never pan out.

For the record, I really, really wanted Myles Jack two years ago. But I would get laughed at by other posters because he wasn't a 'need.' Boy, wouldn't he be something on our defense now?


Agreed Rice got a lot of redzone targets. But at the same time, if the team doesnt have Treadwell in the redzone or arent throwing to him, I dont know how much of that is on Treadwell. You cant tell me that guy cant come down with touchdowns on a few coffin corners. But in two years, I cant remember them ever throwing him one. Or even throwing him the ball in the endzone. He excelled with bodying up guys in college and high pointing the ball. We arent playing to Treadwell's strengths IMO. He's a solid RZ target and we arent using him there at all. Not trying to make excuses for him but if you want production out of him, utilize him in those situations. I keep going back to the one handed catch but if he can do that with a CB draped all over him, he can win jump balls in the RZ

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Rice had one good season and Brett Favre was throwing him the ball.

What I'm hoping is that cousins can do what Favre clearly did for Rice in 2009 - play to Treadwells strengths. Understand he's the kind of player you let fight for the ball. It won't always be a wide open look for him.

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Rice had one good season and Brett Favre was throwing him the ball.

What I'm hoping is that cousins can do what Favre clearly did for Rice in 2009 - play to Treadwells strengths. Understand he's the kind of player you let fight for the ball. It won't always be a wide open look for him.


Exactly. Treadwell isnt a burner. But he can make contested catches. As for Rice, yeah the TD's he had early in his career make it look like he was better than he actually was.

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Rice had one good season and Brett Favre was throwing him the ball.

What I'm hoping is that cousins can do what Favre clearly did for Rice in 2009 - play to Treadwells strengths. Understand he's the kind of player you let fight for the ball. It won't always be a wide open look for him.


The problem with that is Theilan and Diggs are such good route runners and they do get a ton of separation consistently that why would you ever try to make a contested throw to a guy like Treadwell? Then you add in how reliable Rudolph has been and it's no wonder why Treadwell is the 4th or 5th option behind even the pass catching backs.

Of course his skill set is stronger in the red zone so that's where I'd look for him to be involved more


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Rice had one good season and Brett Favre was throwing him the ball.

What I'm hoping is that cousins can do what Favre clearly did for Rice in 2009 - play to Treadwells strengths. Understand he's the kind of player you let fight for the ball. It won't always be a wide open look for him.


The problem with that is Theilan and Diggs are such good route runners and they do get a ton of separation consistently that why would you ever try to make a contested throw to a guy like Treadwell? Then you add in how reliable Rudolph has been and it's no wonder why Treadwell is the 4th or 5th option behind even the pass catching backs.

Of course his skill set is stronger in the red zone so that's where I'd look for him to be involved more


Thielen and Diggs are great route runners but defenses key on them, as such they still catch a lot of contested balls. Someone posted Diggs was #1 in "tight window" catches and Thielen has a whole reel of tough catches. I think a reliable #3 would really open up those windows. Also, Treadwell is a very different type of receiver from those two and can provide an entirely different dimension to the offense. In the redzone as you mention, also as a possession receiver and he's also probably the best blocking WR on the team.

In any case, he's a 1st round pick and really needs to step up and show his worth.


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Maybe they are excited about Treadwell?


If that's the case, I want some of what they're drinking.

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The only Other WR that caught more clutch Passes was Chris Carter.


Wow. On a team that currently has Diggs and Thielen, that's quite a statement.


Well, since Wright has been around its been one Clutch catch game after game for years. It's always at serious moments in serious games that he has come thru. Treadwell has shown nothing to me. We will miss Jarius Wright unless we find another guy soon. Treadwell will get cut after this year unless he steps up in a major way


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The only Other WR that caught more clutch Passes was Chris Carter.


Wow. On a team that currently has Diggs and Thielen, that's quite a statement.


Well, since Wright has been around its been one Clutch catch game after game for years. It's always at serious moments in serious games that he has come thru. Treadwell has shown nothing to me. We will miss Jarius Wright unless we find another guy soon. Treadwell will get cut after this year unless he steps up in a major way


Again, Treadwell cant just "get cut". It results in dead money. If anything they would trade him. Just flat out cutting him and soaking dead money isnt a smart move. I have no reason to think Treadwell or even Coley CANT make clutch catches until they prove otherwise. Treadwell is known for making contested catches. It's hard to do that when your QB isnt looking at you until he goes through 3-4 other reads and when you have your top 2 WRs and TE gobbling up most of the targets. Again, given what Waynes did after 3 years and the fact that it's been said that many WRs take 2-3 years to adapt to the NFL, I have lost no faith in Treadwell until proven otherwise. He isnt dropping balls. Like I said, he fell into a tough situation with the emergence of Thielen. Otherwise he would've probably been a guaranteed starter and we'd be able to see his true potential. Plus after Treadwell, we dont have much depth. Injuries happen. I'd be much more confident with him coming in than anyone else. Especially given what he showed in the two games Diggs was out.

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Again, Treadwell cant just "get cut". It results in dead money. If anything they would trade him. Just flat out cutting him and soaking dead money isnt a smart move. I have no reason to think Treadwell or even Coley CANT make clutch catches until they prove otherwise. Treadwell is known for making contested catches. It's hard to do that when your QB isnt looking at you until he goes through 3-4 other reads and when you have your top 2 WRs and TE gobbling up most of the targets. Again, given what Waynes did after 3 years and the fact that it's been said that many WRs take 2-3 years to adapt to the NFL, I have lost no faith in Treadwell until proven otherwise. He isnt dropping balls. Like I said, he fell into a tough situation with the emergence of Thielen. Otherwise he would've probably been a guaranteed starter and we'd be able to see his true potential. Plus after Treadwell, we dont have much depth. Injuries happen. I'd be much more confident with him coming in than anyone else. Especially given what he showed in the two games Diggs was out.

I'm far from an expert, but the knock on Treadwell that I've heard is that he doesn't get separation. That doesn't mean "speed." It means setting up defenders and coming out of his breaks with a little breathing room. If he's not getting separation, then the quarterbacks aren't going to look his way, even if he's the first option.

Again, I'm not a coach or an expert. But that's the consensus criticism of Treadwell. That he just doesn't get open. Zimmer has talked about how he works really hard -- he'll be the one running stadium bleachers after practice. But Zim also says, "He does things like that even when he shouldn't be." Sounds like Treadwell works hard, but not always on the right things.

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Again, Treadwell cant just "get cut". It results in dead money. If anything they would trade him. Just flat out cutting him and soaking dead money isnt a smart move. I have no reason to think Treadwell or even Coley CANT make clutch catches until they prove otherwise. Treadwell is known for making contested catches. It's hard to do that when your QB isnt looking at you until he goes through 3-4 other reads and when you have your top 2 WRs and TE gobbling up most of the targets. Again, given what Waynes did after 3 years and the fact that it's been said that many WRs take 2-3 years to adapt to the NFL, I have lost no faith in Treadwell until proven otherwise. He isnt dropping balls. Like I said, he fell into a tough situation with the emergence of Thielen. Otherwise he would've probably been a guaranteed starter and we'd be able to see his true potential. Plus after Treadwell, we dont have much depth. Injuries happen. I'd be much more confident with him coming in than anyone else. Especially given what he showed in the two games Diggs was out.

I'm far from an expert, but the knock on Treadwell that I've heard is that he doesn't get separation. That doesn't mean "speed." It means setting up defenders and coming out of his breaks with a little breathing room. If he's not getting separation, then the quarterbacks aren't going to look his way, even if he's the first option.

Again, I'm not a coach or an expert. But that's the consensus criticism of Treadwell. That he just doesn't get open. Zimmer has talked about how he works really hard -- he'll be the one running stadium bleachers after practice. But Zim also says, "He does things like that even when he shouldn't be." Sounds like Treadwell works hard, but not always on the right things.


Oh I agree that his separation is an "issue". It was in college too. He's not a savvy route runner like Diggs or AT. Never has been. He definitely still needs work but I am far from calling him a "bust". The kid has skill no doubt in my mind

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Oh I agree that his separation is an "issue". It was in college too. He's not a savvy route runner like Diggs or AT. Never has been. He definitely still needs work but I am far from calling him a "bust". The kid has skill no doubt in my mind


If this were like a game of horse... Treadwell would be on B.U.S.... one more chance to prove he can be an NFL receiver and that's it.

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Oh I agree that his separation is an "issue". It was in college too. He's not a savvy route runner like Diggs or AT. Never has been. He definitely still needs work but I am far from calling him a "bust". The kid has skill no doubt in my mind


If this were like a game of horse... Treadwell would be on B.U.S.... one more chance to prove he can be an NFL receiver and that's it.


But here is my thing.....what is expected out of him in order to NOT be a bust? 1,000 yards? 8 TDs? Because I can already tell you that wont happen. As long as AT and Diggs are here that wont happen. So what are we basing this whole "bust" thing off of?? First round picks are expected to eventually hit 1000 yards in a season right? Or a good chunk of TDs? Do you think it's really fair to say, "Well if Treadwell doesnt get even 800 yards and 6 TDs this year, then he's a bust". Do you truly believe that can happen? Do you realize how good our passing offense would have to be for him to blow up ALONG with Thielen and Diggs probably eclipsing 1000 yards next year?? For example, the Steelers had the best trio in the NFL and their #3 had 600 yards and 3 TDs. Thats talking about the BEST trio in the NFL. If you look at the Falcons. Pretty good pass offense. #3 WR had 378 yards and 1 TD. So what is expected out of Treadwell is my question? Because I know there will be a lot of clueless fans out there that will look at his numbers and say "yeah he's a bust he only went for 400 yards and 2 TDs". Not saying that's you at all but there are fans out there like that. If Thielen and Diggs are healthy all year, it will be a longshot for him to put up any kind of big numbers. Period. Its NOT realistic. So what does and what doesnt classify him as a bust given the two that are in front of him. Along with a good TE and RB??

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He's a first round pick. Thielen was in drafted and Diggs was a 5th rounder. I get that both of them worked their #### off to get where they are at , but Treadwell is a first round pick that is contributing equivalent to an I drafted free agent, or maybe a 7th rounder. To me, that is a bust. He has no TDs in two yes especially. Even David Morgan has a TD. To me, a bust us someone who doesn't produce to their drafted potential and their lack of productivity is not injury related. Treadwell has one season to avoid bejng put jn this category.

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He's a first round pick. Thielen was in drafted and Diggs was a 5th rounder. I get that both of them worked their #### off to get where they are at , but Treadwell is a first round pick that is contributing equivalent to an I drafted free agent, or maybe a 7th rounder. To me, that is a bust. He has no TDs in two yes especially. Even David Morgan has a TD. To me, a bust us someone who doesn't produce to their drafted potential and their lack of productivity is not injury related. Treadwell has one season to avoid bejng put jn this category.

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So if he scored two tds he wouldn’t be considered a bust? And he would’ve easily had one this year if Case threw it to him vs Washington

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He's a first round pick. Thielen was in drafted and Diggs was a 5th rounder. I get that both of them worked their #### off to get where they are at , but Treadwell is a first round pick that is contributing equivalent to an I drafted free agent, or maybe a 7th rounder. To me, that is a bust. He has no TDs in two yes especially. Even David Morgan has a TD. To me, a bust us someone who doesn't produce to their drafted potential and their lack of productivity is not injury related. Treadwell has one season to avoid bejng put jn this category.

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So if he scored two tds he wouldn’t be considered a bust? And he would’ve easily had one this year if Case threw it to him vs Washington
Let me ask you then... What would you consider a bust?

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Let me ask you then... What would you consider a bust?

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For a first rounder someone who can't start on half of the teams in the league.


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He's a first round pick. Thielen was in drafted and Diggs was a 5th rounder. I get that both of them worked their #### off to get where they are at , but Treadwell is a first round pick that is contributing equivalent to an I drafted free agent, or maybe a 7th rounder. To me, that is a bust. He has no TDs in two yes especially. Even David Morgan has a TD. To me, a bust us someone who doesn't produce to their drafted potential and their lack of productivity is not injury related. Treadwell has one season to avoid bejng put jn this category.

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So if he scored two tds he wouldn’t be considered a bust? And he would’ve easily had one this year if Case threw it to him vs Washington
Let me ask you then... What would you consider a bust?

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I've said it a million times on here. A true bust is a player that gets PLENTY of opportunity and fails. Such as Ponder, Troy Williamson, Jamarcus Russell, etc. I posted the reasons and posted about those players above. The guy has started 8 games in two years. For obvious reasons. Williamson, Russell, Ponder all started 30+. Are we really going to call a guy a bust that has started in 8 games in two years mostly due to having two of the best WRs in the game in front of him? Those two will NEVER be benched. So the only hope of Treadwell getting more targets is if one of them go down (knock on wood). That just doesnt seem like a fair judgement to me. It's not like he's not starting because he is "bad" or a problem or not putting the work in. He's not starting because Adam Thielen and Stefon Diggs are on this team.

If you were Mike Zimmer and you draft Treadwell in 2016, do you EVER start him over Thielen and Diggs? I think the whole plan was, Diggs was obviously a day 1 starter going into 2016 (as long as he continued off of his 2015 season) but Thielen was simply a fill guy as Treadwell got up to speed. I did not (nor anyone for that matter, including our organization as a whole) think Adam Thielen was our future at WR. Maybe as good depth yeah. But nobody expected what he has done in two years. He had 20 catches for well over 200 yards and a TD in the first 5 weeks of 2016 and had a good connection with Bradford. Do you bench that? Just because you have a first round pick waiting in the wings? No. If Thielen didnt produce, then yeah. But you dont bench Thielen as a coach. Nor were they going to bench Diggs. See my point? Many look at the surface of things with Treadwell. "Well he's a first round pick and doesnt have much for numbers so he's a bust". Well lets factor everything else in and find out WHY his numbers arent where they should be. When he starts 30+ games, or heck even 20, then I'll call him a bust or not. But I'm not calling a player a bust after 8 games of starting and only being in the NFL for two years. Not until I see more.

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I get it but both Thielen and Diggs have missed some time due to injuries, and he just hasn't produced. I'm not saying I am calling him a bust yet, but he's rapidly running out ot chances, imo.

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I get it but both Thielen and Diggs have missed some time due to injuries, and he just hasn't produced. I'm not saying I am calling him a bust yet, but he's rapidly running out ot chances, imo.

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I'd agree with your sentiment. I don't think anyone is expecting him to overtake Diggs or Thielen on the depth chart but he really hasn't produced when he has been given chances. When Wright was given chances, he did, particularly on third downs last year.

I understand them letting Wright go due to his contract numbers but to me he was much more reliable than Treadwell. It's not to say that Treadwell can't or won't figure it out this year, as generally it takes players a few years to adjust to the NFL, but if he puts forward another lackluster year, I don't think it'd be hard to justify looking for an upgrade on his production.


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If we have a chance to grab Christian Kirk in the second round, I'm all for it. Instant upgrade at #3 receiver and possible insurance against losing Diggs to FA in 2019. He would likely also be our new punt returner. I listened to him on TV today and he seems like a really great guy. :thumbsup:


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I get it but both Thielen and Diggs have missed some time due to injuries, and he just hasn't produced. I'm not saying I am calling him a bust yet, but he's rapidly running out ot chances, imo.

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I remember reading throughout the year that Treadwell has been consistently open. Case was a one or two read QB I believe. Treadwell was probably the 3rd or 4th option so it's understandable that he wasn't getting targeted much. From what I'm reading, Kirk is very quick at going through his progressions so I think Treadwell will get his chance to shine this year.

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I get it but both Thielen and Diggs have missed some time due to injuries, and he just hasn't produced. I'm not saying I am calling him a bust yet, but he's rapidly running out ot chances, imo.

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He went 6 for 79 in two games when Diggs was out and caught 6 out of 7 targets. That’s not “great”. But it’s definitely not bad. Thielen and Diggs have had two game stretches that were similar or worse last year. They were his two best games this year arguably. And in the GB game he pulled in that 1 hander for 25 yards to keep the drive going. Point is, it’s not like he was completely absent when Diggs was out this year. He produced. Not over 100 yards and a TD but he showed flashes and the capability of bringing in big catches. If he caught 1-2 balls then that’s a little concerning but he showed what he can do when he is actually targeted. If you think about it, 1/5 of his targets on the year came in those two games (GB, BAL). Over 1/4 of his catches on the year came in those two games. Nearly 1/2 of his yards on the year came in those two games. He wasnt absent by any means when Diggs was out. It’s easier to remember Wright because he had big 3rd down catches. Any idea how many times Treadwell was just targeted, let alone caught a ball, on third down? I can’t find that stat but I’m guessing he wasn’t given those opportunities often. I agree this is the year he needs to show “more” but like I said, it’s tough with those guys in front of him. If he’s given the opportunities I can see him producing. If he isn’t, who knows. The change at OC could work in his benefit. We’ll see

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I get it but both Thielen and Diggs have missed some time due to injuries, and he just hasn't produced. I'm not saying I am calling him a bust yet, but he's rapidly running out ot chances, imo.

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I remember reading throughout the year that Treadwell has been consistently open. Case was a one or two read QB I believe. Treadwell was probably the 3rd or 4th option so it's understandable that he wasn't getting targeted much. From what I'm reading, Kirk is very quick at going through his progressions so I think Treadwell will get his chance to shine this year.


Interesting. It sure would be nice if Kirk could help make Treadwell look like a first round draft pick.


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But here is my thing.....what is expected out of him in order to NOT be a bust? 1,000 yards? 8 TDs? Because I can already tell you that wont happen. As long as AT and Diggs are here that wont happen. So what are we basing this whole "bust" thing off of??


Fair question... I would be happy if Treadwell would contribute as a pass catcher... let's say 400-500 yds. and 4-5 TD's for the season. At that point, he moves from "bust" to "developing".

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Treadwell's age helps him here as he is younger than most prospects normally are. He gets another year before bust is attached. However, I have seen all I need to. Treads issues isn't just separation but also his catch %. Its something like 57% or so. You can be slow but you can't be slow and a poor catcher. He has issues timing the ball in the air, a problem I didn't see coming out of the draft. I don't need him to catch 100 balls for 1000 yards. 500 yards and 6 td with Diggs and Adam getting 1000 a piece is more realistic. But I don't believe he will get that.

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But here is my thing.....what is expected out of him in order to NOT be a bust? 1,000 yards? 8 TDs? Because I can already tell you that wont happen. As long as AT and Diggs are here that wont happen. So what are we basing this whole "bust" thing off of??


Fair question... I would be happy if Treadwell would contribute as a pass catcher... let's say 400-500 yds. and 4-5 TD's for the season. At that point, he moves from "bust" to "developing".


This would be MORE then fair, even in PHP eyes I would think. But Treadwell will not be able to do it. The coaches have seen so much of him. The QBs on the field have seen alot of him, but not when he is open. I've often wonder if Treadwell comes back to the huddle and says to the QB 'you missed me, I was open'. And if he did, how many times the QB said, yeah I saw you, but you wearnt so open. I just want to move on past Treedwell and get another young receiver (or a good FA receiver) in there taking 1st team reps. We waited too long with Twill.

And PHP, I know everything your going to say because your about the only one saying them in every post. My being wrong about 1 player, that 75% of the board was wrong about too, does NOT mean thats whats going to happen with treadwell. I dont mind eating crow, I dont like being reminded of it in every one of your posts, thats not very classy.


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soflavike wrote:
Pondering Her Percy wrote:
But here is my thing.....what is expected out of him in order to NOT be a bust? 1,000 yards? 8 TDs? Because I can already tell you that wont happen. As long as AT and Diggs are here that wont happen. So what are we basing this whole "bust" thing off of??


Fair question... I would be happy if Treadwell would contribute as a pass catcher... let's say 400-500 yds. and 4-5 TD's for the season. At that point, he moves from "bust" to "developing".


This would be MORE then fair, even in PHP eyes I would think. But Treadwell will not be able to do it. The coaches have seen so much of him. The QBs on the field have seen alot of him, but not when he is open. I've often wonder if Treadwell comes back to the huddle and says to the QB 'you missed me, I was open'. And if he did, how many times the QB said, yeah I saw you, but you wearnt so open. I just want to move on past Treedwell and get another young receiver (or a good FA receiver) in there taking 1st team reps. We waited too long with Twill.

And PHP, I know everything your going to say because your about the only one saying them in every post. My being wrong about 1 player, that 75% of the board was wrong about too, does NOT mean thats whats going to happen with treadwell. I dont mind eating crow, I dont like being reminded of it in every one of your posts, thats not very classy.


But again, you're ready to give up on a guy that just completed his 2nd year. How often does that happen with a first round pick in the NFL? Pretty much never. They were drafted in the first round for a reason. Teams arent just going to give up on a guy after year 2. Especially when he's had two studs in front of him the whole time he's been here. Do you realize how stupid we would look if we just gave up on him, traded him away for peanuts and then he blows up on a team that actually needs him?? So why do it? Maybe after his 3rd year, yeah. But not after his 2nd. Only time that happens to a player is if it was a result of injury or legal trouble. No first round pick is just dumped after 2 years.

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^Again, nothing but speculation. But yeah, I would probably bring up the same thing regarding Waynes. Why? Because you wanted to give up on him after his SECOND year. Was that a logical decision that we should have made? No. So why is Treadwell any different? And dont say "you saw potential in him" or some BS like that. You were harder on him than you were Treadwell

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Post Re: Wright Released
soflavike wrote:
Pondering Her Percy wrote:
But here is my thing.....what is expected out of him in order to NOT be a bust? 1,000 yards? 8 TDs? Because I can already tell you that wont happen. As long as AT and Diggs are here that wont happen. So what are we basing this whole "bust" thing off of??


Fair question... I would be happy if Treadwell would contribute as a pass catcher... let's say 400-500 yds. and 4-5 TD's for the season. At that point, he moves from "bust" to "developing".


And I agree that that is fair. But there is no way I say that it is logical to let him go now when he just finished up his 2nd year. Way too early IMO. Unless we were to get an offer that we couldnt refuse but I dont see that as realistic

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Pondering Her Percy wrote:
soflavike wrote:
Pondering Her Percy wrote:
But here is my thing.....what is expected out of him in order to NOT be a bust? 1,000 yards? 8 TDs? Because I can already tell you that wont happen. As long as AT and Diggs are here that wont happen. So what are we basing this whole "bust" thing off of??


Fair question... I would be happy if Treadwell would contribute as a pass catcher... let's say 400-500 yds. and 4-5 TD's for the season. At that point, he moves from "bust" to "developing".


And I agree that that is fair. But there is no way I say that it is logical to let him go now when he just finished up his 2nd year. Way too early IMO. Unless we were to get an offer that we couldnt refuse but I dont see that as realistic


Yeah, it's the "sunk cost fallacy"... he's under rookie contract... give him one more year... but he does take up a roster spot that could be filled with a better receiver. The Vikes signed a couple in free agency. Hmmm.

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Yeah, it's the "sunk cost fallacy"... he's under rookie contract... give him one more year... but he does take up a roster spot that could be filled with a better receiver. The Vikes signed a couple in free agency. Hmmm.


Well I mean Wright has a legit shot for playing time. King is a fringe guy at best. Either way, no matter what the production is, you don’t see nfl teams give up on a first round pick after two years. Unless it’s for legal reasons or serious injury. And I’ve said before, if AT or Diggs weren’t on this team, he’d be getting a lot more playing time and we’d have a much better judgement of him. IMO, Treadwell is a mystery to me. Which is part of the reason why I don’t call him a bust until I see more or he gets legitimate playing time either here or on another team. If a guy like Jerome Simpson or Michael Jenkins we’re still starting over him, then yeah he would probably be a bust. Because it shows he has little talent. Or if he started week after week and wasn’t producing. But neither of those are the case. It’s a very unique situation.

I want to see Treadwell in a full time starting role to see what he can do. But that won’t happen as long as those 2 others are here. So we really might not see the true Treadwell until he is on a WR needy team. Zimmer can say Treadwell has gotten “opportunities” all he wants but he’s never going to surpass Diggs or AT so it’s really hard to showcase your talents when they are in front of you gobbling up targets. Along with Rudy and our RB. This is simply the reason I won’t call him a bust. “Busts” like ponder and Williamson all got legit shots at starting roles. Started over 30 games. I think Treadwell has started like 8. That’s a very small sample size to classify a guy as a bust. There is no other situation in the nfl like his.

Even a guy like Kevin white. He can be classified as a bust but because of the injury aspect. He’s only been active 5 games in 3 years. A guy like Williamson, yeah he’s a bust because he started 30 games and was terrible. Treadwell has had neither of those situations. He was banged up a little but nothing serious. And he’s only started 8 games due to Thielen and Diggs. If Thielen didn’t blow up, Treadwell would’ve been a starter halfway through his rookie year.

So it’s tough. I’m not saying the guy is legit. But I’m not saying he’s bad. I’m saying I don’t know and that’s why I won’t call him a bust. I want to see him start multiple games. He won’t here barring injury. But if he goes to a team that needs WRs and fails to perform then he’s a bust. If he blows up, then he wasn’t a bust. But we might not know until he’s on a new team. That’s all

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