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well we got a pretty good QB now. Lets go get us a SB now !!! Hate that that Damn Jimmy Grahm is coming to Greenbay. When that guy is healthy he's tough to defend.


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Here's my concern. We have Cousins, great. I hope he earns every cent of his contract and takes us all the way.
But, what if he gets hurt early? Keenum, Bradford and Bridgewater gone. Do we have to trade away another 1st round pick to grab somebody else's backup?

I mean, it's not like we haven't had a QB or two go down lately.

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Here's my concern. We have Cousins, great. I hope he earns every cent of his contract and takes us all the way.
But, what if he gets hurt early? Keenum, Bradford and Bridgewater gone. Do we have to trade away another 1st round pick to grab somebody else's backup?

I mean, it's not like we haven't had a QB or two go down lately.


Plenty of backups still out there. Rick may not be done. Then there's the draft. And Sloter, who they think very highly of.

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I will emphasize what I typed from the last thread:


$28 million is bound to happen, we will more than likely lose Kendricks or Hunter now, which will sting.

What gets me mixed about this, is that it’s FULLY GUARANTEED!! This move will make or break a GM, not only that, this will be the new standard of negotiation in the NFL. This just started it.

Spielman, I hope for the sake of the Vikings franchise, you truly know what you’re doing.

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With that being discussed, luckily we are high in cap availability and yes, letting go both Rudolph and Robison will help the burden of this fully-guaranteed contract. We now need to solidify our offensive line and shore up our defensive backs.


You know those two are still three years away from big deals right? 5th year option on both is 2019. As well as diggs.


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Mark my words, the backup qb will be lamar jackson. write that down lol


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Here's my concern. We have Cousins, great. I hope he earns every cent of his contract and takes us all the way.
But, what if he gets hurt early? Keenum, Bradford and Bridgewater gone. Do we have to trade away another 1st round pick to grab somebody else's backup?

I mean, it's not like we haven't had a QB or two go down lately.


Redskins fan here. First of all, let me say that you guys got one hell of a QB. While the Redskins have let go 2 top-tier CB and their should-have-been franchise QB, you all can be happy about this signing for sure. I normally don't chime in on forums of other teams, but saw some concerns about injury and such, so I thought I'd throw my 2 cents in. Cousins took over the starting job, officially, in 2015 for the Redskins. He didn't miss a start in any of his 3 full seasons as a starter. On top of that, he was basically sitting on the bench for the vast majority of his first 3 seasons b/c of RGIII, starting I believe only 10 games in total between them. With that being the case, Cousins may be 29, but in terms of the NFL, he's no more than 26/27 (see Aaron Rodgers).

I should also mention that Kirk is much more mobile than many realize, with 13 rushing TD in his 3 seasons as a starter. The only real knock I could give to Cousins is that there are times he tends to hold the ball a little too long, not realizing pressure off the edge in time, hence why he has something like 30 fumbles in those 3 seasons. Though, for what it's worth, he was under immense pressure most of the time due to the Redskins pitiful excuse for a run game to alleviate any of that.

Not sure if that helps ease any concerns you guys have, but wanted to add that in. Definitely makes sense to need a competent backup, but Cousins has been incredibly during so far. Hopefully for you guys, that continues to be the case.

Best of luck and I hope to see Cousins thrive, if for no other reason than to make the Redskins realize just how badly they screwed this up.


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Barry wrote:
Here's my concern. We have Cousins, great. I hope he earns every cent of his contract and takes us all the way.
But, what if he gets hurt early? Keenum, Bradford and Bridgewater gone. Do we have to trade away another 1st round pick to grab somebody else's backup?

I mean, it's not like we haven't had a QB or two go down lately.


Redskins fan here. First of all, let me say that you guys got one hell of a QB. While the Redskins have let go 2 top-tier CB and their should-have-been franchise QB, you all can be happy about this signing for sure. I normally don't chime in on forums of other teams, but saw some concerns about injury and such, so I thought I'd throw my 2 cents in. Cousins took over the starting job, officially, in 2015 for the Redskins. He didn't miss a start in any of his 3 full seasons as a starter. On top of that, he was basically sitting on the bench for the vast majority of his first 3 seasons b/c of RGIII, starting I believe only 10 games in total between them. With that being the case, Cousins may be 29, but in terms of the NFL, he's no more than 26/27 (see Aaron Rodgers).

I should also mention that Kirk is much more mobile than many realize, with 13 rushing TD in his 3 seasons as a starter. The only real knock I could give to Cousins is that there are times he tends to hold the ball a little too long, not realizing pressure off the edge in time, hence why he has something like 30 fumbles in those 3 seasons. Though, for what it's worth, he was under immense pressure most of the time due to the Redskins pitiful excuse for a run game to alleviate any of that.

Not sure if that helps ease any concerns you guys have, but wanted to add that in. Definitely makes sense to need a competent backup, but Cousins has been incredibly during so far. Hopefully for you guys, that continues to be the case.

Best of luck and I hope to see Cousins thrive, if for no other reason than to make the Redskins realize just how badly they screwed this up.


Thanks for the info! I'm very excited to watch him play with thielen, diggs, and cook. The Vikings should spend the rest of their resources in the draft and free agency to make sure he has the protection he needs up front and look to add more weapons around him.

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Hopefully he'll become a team Captain. Then he could be Captain Kirk :gone:

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Hopefully he'll become a team Captain. Then he could be Captain Kirk :gone:


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Hopefully he'll become a team Captain. Then he could be Captain Kirk :gone:


Now that's a good one !!!


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Not sure it deserves a new thread, but Nfl.com is reporting the vikes are going to sign siemian from the broncos for a back up.

Guess we can’t say that the Vikings do not address the QB situation anymore.

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Not sure it deserves a new thread, but Nfl.com is reporting the vikes are going to sign siemian from the broncos for a back up.

Guess we can’t say that the Vikings do not address the QB situation anymore.
Hopefully they addressed it adequately.

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I don't understand why everyone is so excited and supportive of this. Cousins started every game with the Redskins for the last 3 years and look at their win loss records. 9-7, 8-7-1, and finally a pathetic 7-9. Before he got injured last year, Bradford played an amazing game and Keenum took the team to the championship game. Why on earth aren't the Vikings keeping those 2 for the upcoming season? At the very least, they should have kept one of them. I'd love to hear the explanations from the owner and coaches of the Vikings.


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Not sure it deserves a new thread, but Nfl.com is reporting the vikes are going to sign siemian from the broncos for a back up.

Guess we can’t say that the Vikings do not address the QB situation anymore.


I think they finally really addressed it. For the first time in as long as Ive been following them.

First off Cousins is a great QB. We had to pay for it, but other teams had to pay big time for the final pieces too. I personally would have went another route, but i am certainly no GM, HC, or money manager.

Siemian to me looks like a great backup QB, like case was before he was our starter. Plus Rick got him for on one heck of a deal. Score another for Rick. I am so glad to be saying that cause for years I thought Rick was part of the problem, even while VP of Player Personal.

Lastly we have whats basically a rookie QB, Sloter, who should know the Vikings inside and out by now. And I am trusting that Rick and the coaches see something is Sloter that I dont, and think he is something we can use later on, hopefully much later on. But we gotta get this Oline in shape, no weak links in the line at all. And a Kicker that didnt stop your hear on every extra point would be nice.


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I don't understand why everyone is so excited and supportive of this. Cousins started every game with the Redskins for the last 3 years and look at their win loss records. 9-7, 8-7-1, and finally a pathetic 7-9. Before he got injured last year, Bradford played an amazing game and Keenum took the team to the championship game. Why on earth aren't the Vikings keeping those 2 for the upcoming season? At the very least, they should have kept one of them. I'd love to hear the explanations from the owner and coaches of the Vikings.


You realize Bradford and Keenum got $38 million combined right? There's simply no way the Vikings could or should have paid that. They got their QB and backup for $10M less than that. All 3 QBs were looking to be a starter (or in Teddys case at least compete), I just don't see how it would have been possible to keep 2 of them given their market value.

So then you have to choose one. Do you go with Bradford who lasted one game and a history of not being able to last the season? Teddy who hasn't played in two years and is one non-contact injury away from the end of his career? Or Keenum who played admirably but could be a flash in the pan?

Or go after a guy who has stayed healthy and thrown for 4,000 yards every year for the last 3 seasons.

Any scenario is a risk but the main issue with the Vikings is a lack of continuity at the QB position. You need a guy who is consistent and can stay on the field. Cousins fits the bill. Guaranteeing that much cash is a big risk but there's risk with all 4 guys. I think you make the best risk assessment you can and hope things work out. No one on this roster last year has the body of work and health of Cousins.


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Just saw this tweet which is an excellent point:

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The NFL salary cap has increased by almost $22 million since 2016

Even if it only increases by $15 million over the next two seasons, they'll be fine


I never thought about this. It's probably a lot smarter to back load it because you're getting more and more money every year to spend by doing that. One more reason I think we will be fine keeping this defense together

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I don't understand why everyone is so excited and supportive of this. Cousins started every game with the Redskins for the last 3 years and look at their win loss records. 9-7, 8-7-1, and finally a pathetic 7-9. Before he got injured last year, Bradford played an amazing game and Keenum took the team to the championship game. Why on earth aren't the Vikings keeping those 2 for the upcoming season? At the very least, they should have kept one of them. I'd love to hear the explanations from the owner and coaches of the Vikings.


You realize Bradford and Keenum got $38 million combined right? There's simply no way the Vikings could or should have paid that. They got their QB and backup for $10M less than that. All 3 QBs were looking to be a starter (or in Teddys case at least compete), I just don't see how it would have been possible to keep 2 of them given their market value.

So then you have to choose one. Do you go with Bradford who lasted one game and a history of not being able to last the season? Teddy who hasn't played in two years and is one non-contact injury away from the end of his career? Or Keenum who played admirably but could be a flash in the pan?

Or go after a guy who has stayed healthy and thrown for 4,000 yards every year for the last 3 seasons.

Any scenario is a risk but the main issue with the Vikings is a lack of continuity at the QB position. You need a guy who is consistent and can stay on the field. Cousins fits the bill. Guaranteeing that much cash is a big risk but there's risk with all 4 guys. I think you make the best risk assessment you can and hope things work out. No one on this roster last year has the body of work and health of Cousins.


Cousins is better than Keenum at the game of football, period. If we paid Keenum starter money I would have been mad, Cousins played for a not too great Washington team it is nothing close to the all around team that we have now. Arguably the best player Cousins had on his team was Jordan Reed who when healthy is a Beast at TE rivaling GRonk IMO but was often injured.

One thing most people arent talking about is how #### Washington and DAniel Snyder treated Cousins. When RG3 went down it was Cousins who stepped in and played great. After that season Cousins and his Agent wanted a 4 year 18 mil per year with like 20 guarenteed, the Skins shot it down and franchised him. The next season as the startrer under the tag Cousins played great againlike close to 5000 yards, after the season the Skins offered Cousins the same contract that he wanted the year before, Cousins shot it down so they Franchised him again. So now after another good season we snag in and guarentee his contract. I bet Cousins is so happy and grateful to the Vikingsfor having their confidence in him.

I think we are going to have a crazy good season in 2018.


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I don't know what happened behind the scenes, but if Keenum didn't press hard to be a viking and make it overtly clear he would take 8-10 per year for a longterm contract with Minnesota he and his agent really blew it. If he finishes his contract in Denver he still probably just bounces around as a journeyman. The only chance he had to be a legit starting QB was to commit to the Vikings at a low enough price tag to allow them to keep an awesome group around him.


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NFL.com did all these rankings. We were up there in a lot of them

#6 OL- http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000916199/article/saints-bills-head-nfls-10-best-offensive-line-units

Cousins #9 deep thrower- http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000921980/article/alex-smith-matthew-stafford-head-top-deepball-throwers-of-17

Diggs #1 tight window WR- http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000915001/article/stefon-diggs-marvin-jones-among-top-10-tightwindow-receivers

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Another reason for a 3 year deal?

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The three-year deals aren't a coincidence, because that's how many years are left on the current collective bargaining agreement. Nobody knows what the rules will be for contracts and the salary cap in 2021 and beyond, or whether another lockout looms in 2021. TV deals expire around that time too, so projecting league revenue much further into the future is also risky.

But 2020 is a weird year, per the collective bargaining agreement, and its weirdness is likely to continue to affect contract structures this year and over the next two. The CBA, for example, establishes a "30 percent rule." Any player under contract in 2020 and beyond is prohibited from earning a salary more than 30 percent higher than his 2020 salary in any subsequent season. So, for example, the Hitchens deal runs through 2022, but his salary actually goes down from $7.8 million in 2020 to $5.8 million in 2021 before rising again to $7.8 million in 2022.

Another 2020-specific rule to watch is one that allows teams to designate one franchise player and one transition player that year, as opposed to one or the other. And it's also worth noting that there are no post-June 1 release designations allowed in 2020, which could affect the way teams make decisions on roster cuts as early as next year. As the end of the current CBA draws closer, teams and agents are going to have to work even harder to structure deals in ways that dance around that ominous "final league year."


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People need to realize that the season should not be Super Bowl or bust. On paper, this team should be in contention for the Super Bowl. Unfortunately, the games are not played on paper.

Essentially, this move is about stability at QB and the chance to compete for the playoffs and beyond. It is not a guarantee we are going to the Super Bowl and winning it. Of course, anything less than 10-6/playoffs would be disastrous (not barring major injury of course). However, the Super Bowl narrative gets old. I often feel people don't appreciate how hard it is to win in the NFL, much less get to a Super Bowl.

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Zimmer made the comment that he might be out of a job if he doesn't get QB right this time around and he could be right (though if he keeps getting double digit wins it'll be pretty tough to see him go). I think he took the safest bet and hopefully in the end it works out.

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People need to realize that the season should not be Super Bowl or bust. On paper, this team should be in contention for the Super Bowl. Unfortunately, the games are not played on paper.

Essentially, this move is about stability at QB and the chance to compete for the playoffs and beyond. It is not a guarantee we are going to the Super Bowl and winning it. Of course, anything less than 10-6/playoffs would be disastrous (not barring major injury of course). However, the Super Bowl narrative gets old. I often feel people don't appreciate how hard it is to win in the NFL, much less get to a Super Bowl.


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Zimmer made the comment that he might be out of a job if he doesn't get QB right this time around and he could be right (though if he keeps getting double digit wins it'll be pretty tough to see him go). I think he took the safest bet and hopefully in the end it works out.


I think he should be fine. It's not like we're taking a chance on a guy like a Bradford (who has an injury history) or a Keenum (who has had consistency issues). Cousins is a top 10 QB in just about every statistical category you could ask for. And he's been like that for 3 years now. This guy is a proven QB. And with what he has around him as well as the defense, this team is built to win and win now.

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Pondering Her Percy wrote:
Cliff wrote:
Zimmer made the comment that he might be out of a job if he doesn't get QB right this time around and he could be right (though if he keeps getting double digit wins it'll be pretty tough to see him go). I think he took the safest bet and hopefully in the end it works out.


I think he should be fine. It's not like we're taking a chance on a guy like a Bradford (who has an injury history) or a Keenum (who has had consistency issues). Cousins is a top 10 QB in just about every statistical category you could ask for. And he's been like that for 3 years now. This guy is a proven QB. And with what he has around him as well as the defense, this team is built to win and win now.


Yeah, not much risk in going with Cousins tbh. This team made Keenum look like a probowler and unless something absolutely bizarre happens like DeFilippo has no idea how to call plays I would expect Cousins to at bare minimum play as well as Keenum did.

It'd be different I think if Zimmer was like "I quit unless Teddy's my QB" and then Teddy gets hurt again and we waste the season.

Now if his defense can't figure out how to stop what the saints did in the second half and the eagles did in the NFCCG that'd be something he should worry about.


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I often feel people don't appreciate how hard it is to win in the NFL, much less get to a Super Bowl.


I feel as though anyone who has been a Vikings fan for any meaningful amount of time can appreciate this to a much greater degree than most other teams.


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I often feel people don't appreciate how hard it is to win in the NFL, much less get to a Super Bowl.


I feel as though anyone who has been a Vikings fan for any meaningful amount of time can appreciate this to a much greater degree than most other teams.


I think it makes us want it more, less patient and unwilling to accept much less until it happens.

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Pondering Her Percy wrote:
Cliff wrote:
Zimmer made the comment that he might be out of a job if he doesn't get QB right this time around and he could be right (though if he keeps getting double digit wins it'll be pretty tough to see him go). I think he took the safest bet and hopefully in the end it works out.


I think he should be fine. It's not like we're taking a chance on a guy like a Bradford (who has an injury history) or a Keenum (who has had consistency issues). Cousins is a top 10 QB in just about every statistical category you could ask for. And he's been like that for 3 years now. This guy is a proven QB. And with what he has around him as well as the defense, this team is built to win and win now.


Yeah, not much risk in going with Cousins tbh. This team made Keenum look like a probowler and unless something absolutely bizarre happens like DeFilippo has no idea how to call plays I would expect Cousins to at bare minimum play as well as Keenum did.

It'd be different I think if Zimmer was like "I quit unless Teddy's my QB" and then Teddy gets hurt again and we waste the season.

Now if his defense can't figure out how to stop what the saints did in the second half and the eagles did in the NFCCG that'd be something he should worry about.


Again I don’t buy the whole “saints second half thing”. We had a punt blocked and threw a pick all inside the 50 and they got 2 tds off of it. How is that on the defense. We only gave up one true TD that game. The rest were caused by bonehead plays. Philly yeah they played horrible but many like to throw the saints game out there and that’s not the case. It’s no easy task no matter how good you are to stop Drew Brees from scoring inside the 50

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