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After taking some time to think about the signing I have to say I'm not thrilled about it. Teddy, Sam, Cousins, Keenum, they're all some what similar in talent with keenum having the lowest ceiling so we essentially paid the most for the healthiest guy and given that it's the NFL and one good hit (or non contact in some cases..) can change all that it's hard for me to be excited.

With that said this was the safest route they could have gone at the most important position in sports so I don't blame them and I don't hate it. My main concern will be how he plays against elite defenses in the playoffs. Keenum had a strong regular season but I always knew he'd be a weakness in the playoffs. Cousins fumbles a lot and I can see the strip sack the eagles had on Keenum playing out again in that match up with Cousins.

Like I eluded to earlier I think Cousins ceiling is higher than Keenums but that's built into it when you look at the costs of each guys new contract. That means for me it's super bowl or bust cause we could already get to the NFCCG with Keenum at a cheaper price. The only reason to make a change like this is to get over the hump.


Respectfully disagree.Cousins decision making and accuracy are far better than Keenum imo. As for the fumbles..how about making sure your QB has his blindside protected?

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Kirk Cousins now officially signed to three-year, $84 million fully guaranteed contract. One more detail: deal contains another $6 million in incentives that could boost the total value of the deal to a maximum of $90 million, per source.

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Signed, sealed and delivered. Congrats @KirkCousins8 signing a 3 year deal with the @Vikings!

I, for one, hope he reaches those incentives


Sure hope this thing is front loaded.


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Knocking Cousins for his turnovers is a bit like knocking Teddy for his lack of yards/touchdowns. QBs play within a context. If Teddy had been as aggressive as he wanted to be the last year he started, the Vikings wouldn't have won 11 games. For the Redskins, Cousins had to be aggressive in order to give the team a chance. I find these statistical arguments to be totally asinine about 95 percent of the time. I'm excited to see what Cousins can do, and I hope he does dial it down a bit given the circumstances. I want him to be aggressive but not reckless. He may play complimentary football...he may even play the best football he has ever played AND his numbers be down. I want to see efficiency and maturity. With these weapons, that could mean 5000 yards, or it could mean 3,500 and home field advantage. No Favre 2.0.

I want to see 5,000 yards and home field advantage :smilevike:

I'd rather see 44 TD's 4 Int and home field advantage. I don't care about the yards.

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Knocking Cousins for his turnovers is a bit like knocking Teddy for his lack of yards/touchdowns. QBs play within a context. If Teddy had been as aggressive as he wanted to be the last year he started, the Vikings wouldn't have won 11 games. For the Redskins, Cousins had to be aggressive in order to give the team a chance. I find these statistical arguments to be totally asinine about 95 percent of the time. I'm excited to see what Cousins can do, and I hope he does dial it down a bit given the circumstances. I want him to be aggressive but not reckless. He may play complimentary football...he may even play the best football he has ever played AND his numbers be down. I want to see efficiency and maturity. With these weapons, that could mean 5000 yards, or it could mean 3,500 and home field advantage. No Favre 2.0.

I want to see 5,000 yards and home field advantage :smilevike:

I'd rather see 44 TD's 4 Int and home field advantage. I don't care about the yards.


If you throw 44 Tds you are going to get 5,000 yards. I'd settle for your outcome though. :popcorn:

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Kirk Cousins now officially signed to three-year, $84 million fully guaranteed contract. One more detail: deal contains another $6 million in incentives that could boost the total value of the deal to a maximum of $90 million, per source.


I, for one, hope he reaches those incentives


Me too! $1MM per Super Bowl?


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Kirk Cousins now officially signed to three-year, $84 million fully guaranteed contract. One more detail: deal contains another $6 million in incentives that could boost the total value of the deal to a maximum of $90 million, per source.

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Signed, sealed and delivered. Congrats @KirkCousins8 signing a 3 year deal with the @Vikings!

I, for one, hope he reaches those incentives


Sure hope this thing is front loaded.



It's not. Rapapport just said he's making only $22 mill in 2018. So it must be back loaded

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It's not. Rapapport just said he's making only $22 mill in 2018. So it must be back loaded


ugh. In that case, I hope they re-sign some of their own guys and front load those deals. I don't want to wind up in cap hell.


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I'm in a pretty cool situation as a die hard Vikes fan. One of Cousins starting lineman for every yr ,except for this past season due to his retirement, is product of my hometown. His brother is my supervisor, so I've had many discussions with him about this signing and now it's official. I will say confidently that if he is the same here as he was in Washington, his line will love the guy and be all in for him. He told me alot of great stuff about him, but as usual there is room for some apprehension also. But, I guess that's natural.
I guess from our discussions I will stay with the pretty excited / a little nervous outlook. But ... as in our discussions. .. Cousins wasn't in the environment with the team that he is now.
I just hope and pray this is the missing piece to the puzzle.

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It's not. Rapapport just said he's making only $22 mill in 2018. So it must be back loaded


ugh. In that case, I hope they re-sign some of their own guys and front load those deals. I don't want to wind up in cap hell.


Neither do I. But Spielman has never been in cap hell since he's been here. I trust him and Bryz there. They arent building a flash in the pan team like Philly did. They are building it in all aspects. Draft, FA, undrafted guys, trades, etc. They know what they are doing.

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It's not. Rapapport just said he's making only $22 mill in 2018. So it must be back loaded


ugh. In that case, I hope they re-sign some of their own guys and front load those deals. I don't want to wind up in cap hell.

Cap hits by years. 2018 $24, 2019 $29 2020 $31.

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Cousins was a combined 48-of-78 passing (61.5 percent) for 589 yards with three passing touchdowns, an interception and passer rating of 92.3 against a stingy Vikings defense. He also scored two of the nine rushing touchdowns against Minnesota in 2017.


When you put it like that.... :shock:


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Per Cousins' agent, they didn't take the best offer. "Not even close."

:shock:

My guess is the Jets or Browns offered more. Probably agent-speak with a grain of truth.

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Per Cousins' agent, they didn't take the best offer. "Not even close."

:shock:

My guess is the Jets or Browns offered more. Probably agent-speak with a grain of truth.


Yeah, I mean on some level these guys have to know that taking a huge contract with a bad team means they'll probably never put a good team around them. If you're already rich and it's all guaranteed might as well play for a title too.


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Looks like the Jets offered $30 million per

http://www.nydailynews.com/amp/sports/f ... ssion=true

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After taking some time to think about the signing I have to say I'm not thrilled about it. Teddy, Sam, Cousins, Keenum, they're all some what similar in talent with keenum having the lowest ceiling so we essentially paid the most for the healthiest guy and given that it's the NFL and one good hit (or non contact in some cases..) can change all that it's hard for me to be excited.

With that said this was the safest route they could have gone at the most important position in sports so I don't blame them and I don't hate it. My main concern will be how he plays against elite defenses in the playoffs. Keenum had a strong regular season but I always knew he'd be a weakness in the playoffs. Cousins fumbles a lot and I can see the strip sack the eagles had on Keenum playing out again in that match up with Cousins.

Like I eluded to earlier I think Cousins ceiling is higher than Keenums but that's built into it when you look at the costs of each guys new contract. That means for me it's super bowl or bust cause we could already get to the NFCCG with Keenum at a cheaper price. The only reason to make a change like this is to get over the hump.


Respectfully disagree.Cousins decision making and accuracy are far better than Keenum imo. As for the fumbles..how about making sure your QB has his blindside protected?


Could also be pocket presence or not reading the blitz. And it's not like the Redskins OL was terrible in 2017. Even with all the injuries, he still had more time to throw than Case. They also had the #7 ranked OL in 2016 (11th in 2015). 31 fumbles in 3 years is concerning. But like Fiesta said, all these stats may not matter. It's a different team. Cousins may not feel the need to do too much and just tuck and take the sack. We'll soon find out.

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Just watched the press conference. Very impressed by Cousins. Carried himself well.

I think I'm getting excited.

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Cousins was a combined 48-of-78 passing (61.5 percent) for 589 yards with three passing touchdowns, an interception and passer rating of 92.3 against a stingy Vikings defense. He also scored two of the nine rushing touchdowns against Minnesota in 2017.


When you put it like that.... :shock:


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It's not. Rapapport just said he's making only $22 mill in 2018. So it must be back loaded


ugh. In that case, I hope they re-sign some of their own guys and front load those deals. I don't want to wind up in cap hell.

Cap hits by years. 2018 $24, 2019 $29 2020 $31.


Maybe this is because the Vikings are assuming the cap will increase every year?


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As a percentage of the salary cap, Cousins’ contract certainly isn’t a killer or anything, I don’t think. If you use the base salary cap figure of $177 million for this season, Cousins accounts for approximately 13.6% of the team’s salary cap for this year. If you figure an increase of $10 million per season over the next two years, he will account for 15.5% of the Vikings’ salary cap in 2019 and 15.7% of the cap in 2020. Again, those are fairly high percentages, but not out of line with other quarterbacks throughout the league.


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Watched Cousins' press conference today, and I have to say ... I'm impressed with the man. Really impressed.

This is a mature individual, obviously smart, extremely well-spoken. I love the fact that he didn't throw anyone under the bus from Washington, even though he could have. I also enjoyed how he talked about starting his research many weeks ago, and how the Vikings' culture really appealed to him. While the Vikings couldn't contact him, there was nothing to stop him from looking into the Vikings. Smart.

Obviously the tale will be finished by his work on the field. That's what really counts. But that was a good presser.

Welcome aboard, #8. Now get to work!

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Watched Cousins' press conference today, and I have to say ... I'm impressed with the man. Really impressed.

This is a mature individual, obviously smart, extremely well-spoken. I love the fact that he didn't throw anyone under the bus from Washington, even though he could have. I also enjoyed how he talked about starting his research many weeks ago, and how the Vikings' culture really appealed to him. While the Vikings couldn't contact him, there was nothing to stop him from looking into the Vikings. Smart.

Obviously the tale will be finished by his work on the field. That's what really counts. But that was a good presser.

Welcome aboard, #8. Now get to work!


I also watched it and agree. He is very smart, organized, and well put together. Very proud to have him represent this franchise.

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Watched Cousins' press conference today, and I have to say ... I'm impressed with the man. Really impressed.

This is a mature individual, obviously smart, extremely well-spoken. I love the fact that he didn't throw anyone under the bus from Washington, even though he could have. I also enjoyed how he talked about starting his research many weeks ago, and how the Vikings' culture really appealed to him. While the Vikings couldn't contact him, there was nothing to stop him from looking into the Vikings. Smart.

Obviously the tale will be finished by his work on the field. That's what really counts. But that was a good presser.

Welcome aboard, #8. Now get to work!


Yeah I’ve been waiting for the presser all day. Seems like a great person and a great leader

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J. Kapp 11 wrote:
Watched Cousins' press conference today, and I have to say ... I'm impressed with the man. Really impressed.

This is a mature individual, obviously smart, extremely well-spoken. I love the fact that he didn't throw anyone under the bus from Washington, even though he could have. I also enjoyed how he talked about starting his research many weeks ago, and how the Vikings' culture really appealed to him. While the Vikings couldn't contact him, there was nothing to stop him from looking into the Vikings. Smart.

Obviously the tale will be finished by his work on the field. That's what really counts. But that was a good presser.

Welcome aboard, #8. Now get to work!


Yeah I’ve been waiting for the presser all day. Seems like a great person and a great leader

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After taking some time to think about the signing I have to say I'm not thrilled about it. Teddy, Sam, Cousins, Keenum, they're all some what similar in talent with keenum having the lowest ceiling so we essentially paid the most for the healthiest guy and given that it's the NFL and one good hit (or non contact in some cases..) can change all that it's hard for me to be excited.

With that said this was the safest route they could have gone at the most important position in sports so I don't blame them and I don't hate it. My main concern will be how he plays against elite defenses in the playoffs. Keenum had a strong regular season but I always knew he'd be a weakness in the playoffs. Cousins fumbles a lot and I can see the strip sack the eagles had on Keenum playing out again in that match up with Cousins.

Like I eluded to earlier I think Cousins ceiling is higher than Keenums but that's built into it when you look at the costs of each guys new contract. That means for me it's super bowl or bust cause we could already get to the NFCCG with Keenum at a cheaper price. The only reason to make a change like this is to get over the hump.


Respectfully disagree.Cousins decision making and accuracy are far better than Keenum imo. As for the fumbles..how about making sure your QB has his blindside protected?


Could also be pocket presence or not reading the blitz. And it's not like the Redskins OL was terrible in 2017. Even with all the injuries, he still had more time to throw than Case. They also had the #7 ranked OL in 2016 (11th in 2015). 31 fumbles in 3 years is concerning. But like Fiesta said, all these stats may not matter. It's a different team. Cousins may not feel the need to do too much and just tuck and take the sack. We'll soon find out.



Howdy, Skins fan here ( or former Skins fan, not sure yet) His O-line in 2017 was awful. The healthy starters made for a solid line. But none of them played. I've never seen an O-line decimated like that with injuries. They played I think 27 different line combinations through the season with many game guys signed off the street 3 days earlier. It was awful. Previous years the pass blocking was pretty good, run blocking terrible, for whatever reason.

The offense the last 3 years was all Kirk. All passing. No run game, no D. If he wasn't on fire, we didn't win. And of course if he didn't play lights out, it was all his fault. Not worth the money. Bruce Allen is an idiot. Dan Snyder a fanboy who owns a team. I'm seriously considering after 45 years of fandom, dyeing my Cousins jersey purple.


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Howdy, Skins fan here ( or former Skins fan, not sure yet) His O-line in 2017 was awful. The healthy starters made for a solid line. But none of them played. I've never seen an O-line decimated like that with injuries. They played I think 27 different line combinations through the season with many game guys signed off the street 3 days earlier. It was awful. Previous years the pass blocking was pretty good, run blocking terrible, for whatever reason.

The offense the last 3 years was all Kirk. All passing. No run game, no D. If he wasn't on fire, we didn't win. And of course if he didn't play lights out, it was all his fault. Not worth the money. Bruce Allen is an idiot. Dan Snyder a fanboy who owns a team. I'm seriously considering after 45 years of fandom, dyeing my Cousins jersey purple.


:lol: First of all, great user name lol. Second, we appreciate the feedback. Any Skins fan that has came on here has done nothing but rave over Cousins. I know I'm excited to have him. No offense but yes, your organization handled that situation poorly and provided very little help around him. Nor did they build a defense that could keep them in games. This is exactly why just looking at his record shows nothing. And it drives me nuts that it's all you see on espn and nfl network. Your ex GM, Charley Casserly said it perfectly. "Look at what was around him. Get some better players. Help the guy out". That was when Michael Irvin (one of the most clueless analysts out there) questioned the signing because of his record. There is so much more behind it than that. Banged up OL, no running game, no defense, limited WR production (this past year).

I follow the rest of the league just as much as I follow the Vikings. I've always thought he was a top 10 (maybe 8th-10th) QB in the NFL. I think he will really show it this year. It has showed in 3 years with the skins when you look at the numbers. But many just focus on.....record :confused:

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Howdy, Skins fan here ( or former Skins fan, not sure yet) His O-line in 2017 was awful. The healthy starters made for a solid line. But none of them played. I've never seen an O-line decimated like that with injuries. They played I think 27 different line combinations through the season with many game guys signed off the street 3 days earlier. It was awful. Previous years the pass blocking was pretty good, run blocking terrible, for whatever reason.

The offense the last 3 years was all Kirk. All passing. No run game, no D. If he wasn't on fire, we didn't win. And of course if he didn't play lights out, it was all his fault. Not worth the money. Bruce Allen is an idiot. Dan Snyder a fanboy who owns a team. I'm seriously considering after 45 years of fandom, dyeing my Cousins jersey purple.


:lol: First of all, great user name lol. Second, we appreciate the feedback. Any Skins fan that has came on here has done nothing but rave over Cousins. I know I'm excited to have him. No offense but yes, your organization handled that situation poorly and provided very little help around him. Nor did they build a defense that could keep them in games. This is exactly why just looking at his record shows nothing. And it drives me nuts that it's all you see on espn and nfl network. Your ex GM, Charley Casserly said it perfectly. "Look at what was around him. Get some better players. Help the guy out". That was when Michael Irvin (one of the most clueless analysts out there) questioned the signing because of his record. There is so much more behind it than that. Banged up OL, no running game, no defense, limited WR production (this past year).

I follow the rest of the league just as much as I follow the Vikings. I've always thought he was a top 10 (maybe 8th-10th) QB in the NFL. I think he will really show it this year. It has showed in 3 years with the skins when you look at the numbers. But many just focus on.....record :confused:



I agree, I think he is an 8-10 guy. More importantly he has improved his game and weaknesses every single year. He will keep getting better. I really believe his career will be a Brees level QB. He is already almost that and has only been PLAYING 3 years.


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The offense the last 3 years was all Kirk. All passing. No run game, no D. If he wasn't on fire, we didn't win. And of course if he didn't play lights out, it was all his fault. Not worth the money. Bruce Allen is an idiot. Dan Snyder a fanboy who owns a team. I'm seriously considering after 45 years of fandom, dyeing my Cousins jersey purple.[/quote]


Thanks for all of your feedback. What was the deal with Cousin/Pryor? Was the chemistry bad or was Pryor just not as advertised? I'm curious if he would sign cheap to be our #3...

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The offense the last 3 years was all Kirk. All passing. No run game, no D. If he wasn't on fire, we didn't win. And of course if he didn't play lights out, it was all his fault. Not worth the money. Bruce Allen is an idiot. Dan Snyder a fanboy who owns a team. I'm seriously considering after 45 years of fandom, dyeing my Cousins jersey purple.



Thanks for all of your feedback. What was the deal with Cousin/Pryor? Was the chemistry bad or was Pryor just not as advertised? I'm curious if he would sign cheap to be our #3...[/quote]

I would rather keep Treadwell than Pryor.... or give Coley a chance or just have it a open competition in camp best guy gets it.


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Post Re: [Rumor] Kirk Cousins a Vikings for 27 million/year
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The offense the last 3 years was all Kirk. All passing. No run game, no D. If he wasn't on fire, we didn't win. And of course if he didn't play lights out, it was all his fault. Not worth the money. Bruce Allen is an idiot. Dan Snyder a fanboy who owns a team. I'm seriously considering after 45 years of fandom, dyeing my Cousins jersey purple.



Thanks for all of your feedback. What was the deal with Cousin/Pryor? Was the chemistry bad or was Pryor just not as advertised? I'm curious if he would sign cheap to be our #3...[/quote]

Pryor is a great athlete who doesn't know how to play WR. In fairness to him its his second year in his life of doing it. Gruden's offense is a West Coast timing offense and receivers have to be where they are supposed to be exactly when they are supposed to be there. Kirk is detail oriented to a fault at times, some would say. If he can't trust you to be there on time he is on to his next read. Pryor for all his ability just isn't good at that and it was his first year in that system. Not to mention dropped passes and killed drives when the ball hit him in the hands. 6M and the dude can't catch. Not sure how to explain his pretty good year in Cleveland other than if you throw to him 20 times a game and he manages to catch half of them, the numbers add up.


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Post Re: [Rumor] Kirk Cousins a Vikings for 27 million/year
I watched the presser and I agree with others that posted that Cousins is a very impressive guy, not just because he was obviously prepared and well-spoken, but because he values winning over maximizing his paycheck, which is a rare thing in pro sports.

Man, I was excited about the team last year and that was with Case Keenum at QB and their best running back out for most of the year, but this year's team should be one of the top 3 teams out of the gate. Assuming Cook comes back completely healthy and Spielman finds a few more instant contributors/key depth in the draft, this year's Vikings team is stacking up to be their best overall team heading into a season since maybe 1998. They've got just about everything covered talent-wise.

Great time to be a Vikings fan!

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