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Re: Biggest Need On The Team?

Post by Mothman » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:12 am

Logically, for the trend to be significantly skewed by the fact that many coaches don't get more than 5 years at the helm, wouldn't we have to think longer-tenured coaches would have won instead of the coaches who actually did? I'm not sure there's a compelling reason to believe that. Cowher appears to be an outlier in that regard.

I'm not claiming this trend is particularly insightful. I just find it interesting. I don't think it serves as evidence teams are excessively impatient because there doesn't seem to be much evidence that more patience will necessarily yield better results. Personally, I think it shows that a Super Bowl-winning mix usually comes together pretty quickly if it's going to happen at all. That isn't to say all of those situations were initially similar either because obviously, they weren't. Some of those SB-winning coaches stepped into favorable situations that contributed to their ability to win quickly.

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Re: Biggest Need On The Team?

Post by tzinc » Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:05 pm

1. We will get an OC hopefully someone along the Pederson or Shumer line (Shumer's playcalling went downhill once he got the interviews btw but was effective throughout the year). And Shumer worked miracle with Case.

2. Zimmer and the Defence are fine they had 1 bad game all year unfortunately it was the last one.

3. They will sign a QB! Foles or Cousins or Case who knows but they will get in an experienced QB.

4. There are pro bowl type players throughout the lineup EXCEPT on OL. The OL was the weakest part of the team statistically all year - even when they were winning. The run game was not dominating there weren't a lot of holes they just ran a lot. The QB was pressured all year. They signed journeyman type FAs OL last year. They need something better to take the next step.
This is the biggest need not in terms of quantity but quality.

5. As for ganbling if it backfired people would be saying that gambling was not the way to go.

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Re: Biggest Need On The Team?

Post by Pondering Her Percy » Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:37 pm

tzinc wrote:1. We will get an OC hopefully someone along the Pederson or Shumer line (Shumer's playcalling went downhill once he got the interviews btw but was effective throughout the year). And Shumer worked miracle with Case.

2. Zimmer and the Defence are fine they had 1 bad game all year unfortunately it was the last one.

3. They will sign a QB! Foles or Cousins or Case who knows but they will get in an experienced QB.

4. There are pro bowl type players throughout the lineup EXCEPT on OL. The OL was the weakest part of the team statistically all year - even when they were winning. The run game was not dominating there weren't a lot of holes they just ran a lot. The QB was pressured all year. They signed journeyman type FAs OL last year. They need something better to take the next step.
This is the biggest need not in terms of quantity but quality.

5. As for ganbling if it backfired people would be saying that gambling was not the way to go.
Foles keeps getting mentioned on here but Foles is not a free agent. So in turn, we would have to trade for him. I'd much rather just have Case
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Re: Biggest Need On The Team?

Post by Ohjay » Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:56 pm

Mothman wrote:
Ohjay wrote:This is really interesting. But I feel like you're missing a vital piece in this analysis... years as a HC.
Of those 21 Super Bowl coaches who won within the first 4 seasons with a new team were actually new head coaches?
That's a good question. 14 of the 21 coaches were first time NFL head coaches. Some of them had college head coaching experience so if you're including that, the number would definitely be lower.
Thanks for the clarification.
That's definitely more first time NFL head coaches than I expected, which does not speak in favour of Zimmer. :(

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Re: Biggest Need On The Team?

Post by Laserman » Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:21 am

Defensive pass rush pressure is the Biggest need. All thru our past history our pass rush has disapeared in all the big games we have lost over the years. Consistant terrifying pressure on the QB is the key. We need DLineman who can move form end to tackle from play to play and confuse the Off line they face. Blocking the same guy all day tends to help the offensive line. I've said it a million times, the game is won and lost in the trenches

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Re: Biggest Need On The Team?

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Laserman wrote:Defensive pass rush pressure is the Biggest need. All thru our past history our pass rush has disapeared in all the big games we have lost over the years. Consistant terrifying pressure on the QB is the key. We need DLineman who can move form end to tackle from play to play and confuse the Off line they face. Blocking the same guy all day tends to help the offensive line. I've said it a million times, the game is won and lost in the trenches

Seems like PHP's man crush (Tevan Bryan) would fit the bill, if he were to make it to our 1st rd pick.

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Re: Biggest Need On The Team?

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Texas Vike wrote:
Laserman wrote:Defensive pass rush pressure is the Biggest need. All thru our past history our pass rush has disapeared in all the big games we have lost over the years. Consistant terrifying pressure on the QB is the key. We need DLineman who can move form end to tackle from play to play and confuse the Off line they face. Blocking the same guy all day tends to help the offensive line. I've said it a million times, the game is won and lost in the trenches

Seems like PHP's man crush (Tevan Bryan) would fit the bill, if he were to make it to our 1st rd pick.
I would consider trading up for him. That is a huge need, imo, especially with Griffen getting older and Robison as well.


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Texas Vike wrote:
Laserman wrote:Defensive pass rush pressure is the Biggest need. All thru our past history our pass rush has disapeared in all the big games we have lost over the years. Consistant terrifying pressure on the QB is the key. We need DLineman who can move form end to tackle from play to play and confuse the Off line they face. Blocking the same guy all day tends to help the offensive line. I've said it a million times, the game is won and lost in the trenches

Seems like PHP's man crush (Tevan Bryan) would fit the bill, if he were to make it to our 1st rd pick.
Haha you know he’ll be in my mock this offseason!
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Re: Biggest Need On The Team?

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PurpleMustReign wrote:
Texas Vike wrote:
Laserman wrote:Defensive pass rush pressure is the Biggest need. All thru our past history our pass rush has disapeared in all the big games we have lost over the years. Consistant terrifying pressure on the QB is the key. We need DLineman who can move form end to tackle from play to play and confuse the Off line they face. Blocking the same guy all day tends to help the offensive line. I've said it a million times, the game is won and lost in the trenches

Seems like PHP's man crush (Tevan Bryan) would fit the bill, if he were to make it to our 1st rd pick.
I would consider trading up for him. That is a huge need, imo, especially with Griffen getting older and Robison as well.


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Re: Biggest Need On The Team?

Post by PhillyVike » Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:44 am

1. O-Linemen
2. D-Linemen
3. Best player available

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Re: Biggest Need On The Team?

Post by S197 » Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:45 pm

1. QB
2. G
3. DT

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Post by Cliff » Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:28 pm

S197 wrote:1. QB
2. G
3. DT
+1
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Re: Biggest Need On The Team?

Post by Slick Rick » Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:13 pm

S197 wrote:1. QB
2. G
3. DT
I completely agree with this, BUT, we do have options for QB that we can re-sign whereas G and DT we just need upgrades and/or are losing players to age/retirement. I've gone over this ad nauseam so I think this'll be the last time I do mention it - I think we'll get something done with Keenum unless he's going to just be outrageously expensive now that Jimmy F***ing Garropolo just got a $137.5M deal (12 TDs in his career!). I'm surprisingly not terribly worried about QB, but I'm definitely wondering what we can do to not only replace Berger, Easton and Sirles, but give an overall upgrade to the position so we can have a top offensive line that can stop teams like the Eagles from getting in our QB's face all day.

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Post by mondry » Mon Feb 19, 2018 7:25 pm

I'm sort of surprised no one said CB. With Rhodes shutting down his guy more often than not, Waynes / Newman and who ever else have been roasted. It'd be much better for our D if we had a second guy who could make it a bit more difficult to get completions. We can stop the run, Rhodes can shut down their #1, but it doesn't really matter if their #2's and #3's are going off on us.

Pass rush of course would be nice, but again pass rush doesn't help much if they can just get rid of the ball quickly cause they don't fear the coverage over there.


As for the coaching, what we saw clearly wasn't good enough, can they improve and adapt? Zimmer's defense was too easily cracked in the playoffs, it shouldn't have taken a miracle to beat the saints and they shouldn't have been destroyed by the eagles. He deserves another year at least to show us if he can or not, let's not forget this team overachieved everyone's expectations with a backup QB but concerns are rising!

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Post by Pondering Her Percy » Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:45 am

mondry wrote:I'm sort of surprised no one said CB. With Rhodes shutting down his guy more often than not, Waynes / Newman and who ever else have been roasted. It'd be much better for our D if we had a second guy who could make it a bit more difficult to get completions. We can stop the run, Rhodes can shut down their #1, but it doesn't really matter if their #2's and #3's are going off on us.

Pass rush of course would be nice, but again pass rush doesn't help much if they can just get rid of the ball quickly cause they don't fear the coverage over there.


As for the coaching, what we saw clearly wasn't good enough, can they improve and adapt? Zimmer's defense was too easily cracked in the playoffs, it shouldn't have taken a miracle to beat the saints and they shouldn't have been destroyed by the eagles. He deserves another year at least to show us if he can or not, let's not forget this team overachieved everyone's expectations with a backup QB but concerns are rising!
I stopped reading after you said Waynes has been roasted. He was a better CB than Rhodes by seasons end. In every aspect too
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mondry wrote:I'm sort of surprised no one said CB. With Rhodes shutting down his guy more often than not, Waynes / Newman and who ever else have been roasted. It'd be much better for our D if we had a second guy who could make it a bit more difficult to get completions. We can stop the run, Rhodes can shut down their #1, but it doesn't really matter if their #2's and #3's are going off on us.

Pass rush of course would be nice, but again pass rush doesn't help much if they can just get rid of the ball quickly cause they don't fear the coverage over there.


As for the coaching, what we saw clearly wasn't good enough, can they improve and adapt? Zimmer's defense was too easily cracked in the playoffs, it shouldn't have taken a miracle to beat the saints and they shouldn't have been destroyed by the eagles. He deserves another year at least to show us if he can or not, let's not forget this team overachieved everyone's expectations with a backup QB but concerns are rising!
I stopped reading after you said Waynes has been roasted. He was a better CB than Rhodes by seasons end. In every aspect too
I agree. Waynes made plays, and Rhodes struggled with the obvious exception of the Philly game.

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Re: Biggest Need On The Team?

Post by Cliff » Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:09 am

Why nobody is mentioning CB - aside from the obvious we've already got a lot of recent high draft picks invested at the position and seem to have a lot of young talent;
2nd least passing yards per game
2nd least total passing yards
1st in Passing TDs allowed
3rd best in passer rating allowed
13th most INTs
I contend it's impossible to have those kinds of stats with a bad CB starting on either side.
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Post by PurpleKoolaid » Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:32 am

CB would be nice for depth, Newmans snaps will be limited.

Biggest need is a good QB.
Followed by a good guard.
Followed by a good DT.

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Re: Biggest Need On The Team?

Post by Slick Rick » Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:30 pm

Agreed that CB is one of the least concerns. I'd say almost every other position is worthy of mention ahead of CB because we have so much depth at the position. Right now, we have Rhodes and Waynes projected as the two primaries and I think Mack Alexander is going to start getting more and more snaps now that Newman is getting older and maybe not quite as effective as he was just a couple of short years ago. I do think it'd be smart to take a look at some CBs since Newman is probably going to continue to regress, and that's if he isn't cut or doesn't retire, but I don't think it's worthy of a high draft pick necessarily unless there's someone who it'd be stupid to pass on.

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Re: Biggest Need On The Team?

Post by jackal » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:24 pm

OL depth
LB
DT

Since the current signings
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Post by Pondering Her Percy » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:15 pm

jackal wrote:OL depth
LB
DT

Since the current signings
Need more than OL depth. We need a starting guard. Or tackle if they move Remmers inside. Which I hope they dont. Draft Billy Price, make him our LG or RG with Easton on the other side and keep Remmers at tackle. I'm not a fan of him at guard
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Re: Biggest Need On The Team?

Post by S197 » Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:45 pm

Slick Rick wrote:Agreed that CB is one of the least concerns. I'd say almost every other position is worthy of mention ahead of CB because we have so much depth at the position. Right now, we have Rhodes and Waynes projected as the two primaries and I think Mack Alexander is going to start getting more and more snaps now that Newman is getting older and maybe not quite as effective as he was just a couple of short years ago. I do think it'd be smart to take a look at some CBs since Newman is probably going to continue to regress, and that's if he isn't cut or doesn't retire, but I don't think it's worthy of a high draft pick necessarily unless there's someone who it'd be stupid to pass on.
Horace Richardson is our dime corner right now. We have a zero depth. That could change but right now Newman and Sherels are free agents and we only have 4 corners under contract.

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Re: Biggest Need On The Team?

Post by IIsweet » Sun Mar 25, 2018 6:14 pm

I am hoping to get CB Mike Hughes AND OG Billy Price with our first 2 picks.
If not Hughes, I would gladly add Josh Jackson.
Thus adding a starting nickel or outside CB and a starting interior OL. Great start if you ask me.

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Post by halfgiz » Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:22 am

We have lost a lot of experienced players this off season....right around 13 , QB's included.
Going to be tough to replace all that experience. I hope it doesn't hurt us.
Myself I'm worried about Price and his pec injury. We need some linemen to maybe step right in.
I don't really think that we could afford to just let him sit.

Another worry is using a # 1 for a CB because it usually takes Zimmer 3 years to get them up to speed.

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Post by Pondering Her Percy » Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:27 am

IIsweet wrote:I am hoping to get CB Mike Hughes AND OG Billy Price with our first 2 picks.
If not Hughes, I would gladly add Josh Jackson.
Thus adding a starting nickel or outside CB and a starting interior OL. Great start if you ask me.
I dont think we need an outside starter at CB. Maybe for the future? But I dont know about now. As for nickel, I would like to get some assurance but that job is Alexander's to lose IMO. He has had a similar career to Waynes up until this point. I see him making a huge jump this year
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Re: Biggest Need On The Team?

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Pondering Her Percy wrote:
IIsweet wrote:I am hoping to get CB Mike Hughes AND OG Billy Price with our first 2 picks.
If not Hughes, I would gladly add Josh Jackson.
Thus adding a starting nickel or outside CB and a starting interior OL. Great start if you ask me.
I dont think we need an outside starter at CB. Maybe for the future? But I dont know about now. As for nickel, I would like to get some assurance but that job is Alexander's to lose IMO. He has had a similar career to Waynes up until this point. I see him making a huge jump this year
I really want to see Mac on the outside.
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Re: Biggest Need On The Team?

Post by Vikefan60 » Mon Mar 26, 2018 3:21 pm

OL
WR
RB

Throw LB in there if we don't expect to extend both Barr and Kendricks.

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Re: Biggest Need On The Team?

Post by PurpleKoolaid » Tue Mar 27, 2018 2:35 am

OL-Price first if hes around. If not, the best G left.

NT-Even with Sheldon, we dont know how long he will be on the team.

CB-we need to keep that secondary good. We are a bit thin on CB's, I am hoping Mac turns out like Waynes has, but I am not counting on it.

Then I hope we go BPA. I would like another guy for the Oline, but only if BPA, same goes for a kicker and Safety. If we go early LB, we can guess the Barr will be a Cousins casualty for us and we wont resign him.

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Re: Biggest Need On The Team?

Post by S197 » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:21 pm

Speaking of safeties, anyone notice there's still like 20 of them available in FA?

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Post by 808vikingsfan » Wed Mar 28, 2018 4:35 am

Biggest need? Upgrading the OL. Not sure if it can be done by just adding a couple of rookies.
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