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I am here to add my perspective as somebody who was born and raised in South Jersey, lived in Philly for a few years, and then back to South Jersey. I am a diehard Eagles, 76ers, Phillies, and Flyers fan.

And what Minnesota Vikings fans experienced last Sunday is exactly what real conscious, self-aware, and respectful Philadelphia sports' fans have grown to avoid for quite sometime.

You experienced the toxicity of the "Us vs. Everyone" Philadelphian tailgate. If I could have personally warned you I would have.

Philadelphia is the only sports' city that has all four team's stadiums right next to each other. What this creates is a GIGANTIC party around every single game because there is so much square footage of parking lot. This party has evolved over the years and it is something that most Eagles' fans avoid. It's a frat-esque party that starts early in the AM.

Most fans avoid even going to games because it has evolved into an alcohol-based event with, generally, worse seats to the game than you'd get in front of a TV.

I'd go to the city for a parade IF we won, but that's about it. For the 18 games we've had this year-- I avoid the circus. But for outsiders (you Vikings fans) looking to come to Philadelphia to experience your team in a championship game.... you can't avoid the circus. Because the stadium and the parking lots is the circus.

And we as Philadelphia sport's fans are judged and perceived by this circus; a circus most Philadelphia sport's fans want no part of. And I highly doubt any, and I mean ANY, of the Minnesota fans that came here were ever further than a mile from Broad Street.

So when I see Minnesota fans say something like "It wasn't a few bad apples... it was 50/50 if I'm being generous"...

I honestly shake my head.

I shake my head at the classless #### you had to experience.

And I shake my head at the simple fact that people continue to base our fan base on what they experience at the circus.

I do not disagree that if any fan base had to have a horrible reputation.... why not it be us. It should be us.

But always remember when it comes to the media... One horrible fan base is a good narrative. Multiple bad fan bases is bad for the league.

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I would not be writing this if you guys were say the Lions, Chargers, or some random team. But what I've noticed is a lot of Vikings fans are North Dakota/Carson Wentz fans. And when I see a NDSU jersey... I buy him/her a drink 10/10 times. It was a relationship I think all Eagles' fans grew to really enjoy.

We are like an ugly nerdy kid at middle school that nobody likes and the North Dakota folks were like a pretty girl that actually liked us and it was heartwarming.

Long story short: yall are good people and didn't deserve the treatment down at the stadium. And I don't think any Eagles' fan really cares that the entire country outside of maybe the AFC East fans seem to be rooting for the cheaters, we'd actually probably prefer it that way....

But just know, Philadelphia and the Delaware Valley are definitely not Minnesota Nice, that's a nickname you earned. But we are nowhere close to the classless monsters we are collectively painted as.

With love,

enjoy your weekend.


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I am here to add my perspective as somebody who was born and raised in South Jersey, lived in Philly for a few years, and then back to South Jersey. I am a diehard Eagles, 76ers, Phillies, and Flyers fan.

And what Minnesota Vikings fans experienced last Sunday is exactly what real conscious, self-aware, and respectful Philadelphia sports' fans have grown to avoid for quite sometime.

You experienced the toxicity of the "Us vs. Everyone" Philadelphian tailgate. If I could have personally warned you I would have.

Philadelphia is the only sports' city that has all four team's stadiums right next to each other. What this creates is a GIGANTIC party around every single game because there is so much square footage of parking lot. This party has evolved over the years and it is something that most Eagles' fans avoid. It's a frat-esque party that starts early in the AM.

Most fans avoid even going to games because it has evolved into an alcohol-based event with, generally, worse seats to the game than you'd get in front of a TV.

I'd go to the city for a parade IF we won, but that's about it. For the 18 games we've had this year-- I avoid the circus. But for outsiders (you Vikings fans) looking to come to Philadelphia to experience your team in a championship game.... you can't avoid the circus. Because the stadium and the parking lots is the circus.

And we as Philadelphia sport's fans are judged and perceived by this circus; a circus most Philadelphia sport's fans want no part of. And I highly doubt any, and I mean ANY, of the Minnesota fans that came here were ever further than a mile from Broad Street.

So when I see Minnesota fans say something like "It wasn't a few bad apples... it was 50/50 if I'm being generous"...

I honestly shake my head.

I shake my head at the classless #### you had to experience.

And I shake my head at the simple fact that people continue to base our fan base on what they experience at the circus.

I do not disagree that if any fan base had to have a horrible reputation.... why not it be us. It should be us.

But always remember when it comes to the media... One horrible fan base is a good narrative. Multiple bad fan bases is bad for the league.

PS

I would not be writing this if you guys were say the Lions, Chargers, or some random team. But what I've noticed is a lot of Vikings fans are North Dakota/Carson Wentz fans. And when I see a NDSU jersey... I buy him/her a drink 10/10 times. It was a relationship I think all Eagles' fans grew to really enjoy.

We are like an ugly nerdy kid at middle school that nobody likes and the North Dakota folks were like a pretty girl that actually liked us and it was heartwarming.

Long story short: yall are good people and didn't deserve the treatment down at the stadium. And I don't think any Eagles' fan really cares that the entire country outside of maybe the AFC East fans seem to be rooting for the cheaters, we'd actually probably prefer it that way....

But just know, Philadelphia and the Delaware Valley are definitely not Minnesota Nice, that's a nickname you earned. But we are nowhere close to the classless monsters we are collectively painted as.

With love,

enjoy your weekend.


Couple of thoughts: NoDak is practically a county of MN. Lots of folks from even further west (Montana) look east to the TC because it is the last cultural / commercial center for miles. The Twin Cities' impact goes far to the west. So Wentz is one of ours; that's how I see it, anyways (I'm biased, as I went to college on the MN - NoDak border).

Also: I think plenty of Minnesotans would be well disposed to Philly and its blue-collar roots. MN, especially the Iron Range, but also certain sectors of the metro area, is similarly blue collar and salt of the earth types. What's very foreign and incomprehensible to Minnesotans is the aggressive quality of Eagles fans and the disrespect for fans of an opposing team.

I appreciate your post.


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Couple of thoughts: NoDak is practically a county of MN. Lots of folks from even further west (Montana) look east to the TC because it is the last cultural / commercial center for miles. The Twin Cities' impact goes far to the west. So Wentz is one of ours; that's how I see it, anyways (I'm biased, as I went to college on the MN - NoDak border).

Also: I think plenty of Minnesotans would be well disposed to Philly and its blue-collar roots. MN, especially the Iron Range, but also certain sectors of the metro area, is similarly blue collar and salt of the earth types. What's very foreign and incomprehensible to Minnesotans is the aggressive quality of Eagles fans and the disrespect for fans of an opposing team.

I appreciate your post.


The Delaware Valley is a collection of overcrowded counties with Philadelphia as the centerpoint. There's almost twice as many people living in Philadelphia than there is in the entire state of North Dakota.

I'd imagine most of the towns in North Dakota have that "small town" feel where practically everyone knows each other. This is just not the case around here. It's really just a bunch of strangers crammed together that really have nothing to do with each other and not much in common. Yes there are some definite outliers but generally speaking-- our sports' teams are one of the things that we all have in common around here.

It seems to be really the only thing that most people around here have in common.

So we rally around something like the Eagles in the Superbowl, sometimes in extraordinarily rude fashion.

And I could be wrong because I am far from an expert on the Minnesota area but I do think the blue collar roots are similar, but the major difference would be something like responding to a ten year old kid that gets pushed to the ground and gets bloody knees.

I feel like "Are you okay? Let me help!" would be the Minnesotan way to react to it.

"You're fine, get the hell up!" would be the Philadelphian way.

I appreciate your reply.


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I feel like "Are you okay? Let me help!" would be the Minnesotan way to react to it.

"You're fine, get the hell up!" would be the Philadelphian way.


It seems like the "are you okay?" way is the decent human way and the "you're fine, get the hell up!" is the #### way. Maybe I'm just too soft on ten year olds lmao

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Can we just ban all these eagles fans? Tired of this "its not everyone" nonsense. Really am. Just enjoy your loss this weekend and go away. Nobody here cares how apologetic you are, its not going to magically change the douchebaggery that happened, or will happen again. Fans from 31 other teams and visitors to yoir crap city have been saying how awful it is for decades. Stop trying to put lipstick on a pig. Just stop


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Id rather have jordy back than look at all these derelics posting about how great their fanbase is


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Id rather have jordy back than look at all these derelics posting about how great their fanbase is
For real.

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PurpleMustReign wrote:
Boon wrote:
Id rather have jordy back than look at all these derelics posting about how great their fanbase is
For real.

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I miss Jordy. Kinda liked that guy. Didn’t always agree with him, but I appreciated his perspective.


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Boon wrote:
Can we just ban all these eagles fans? Tired of this "its not everyone" nonsense. Really am. Just enjoy your loss this weekend and go away. Nobody here cares how apologetic you are, its not going to magically change the douchebaggery that happened, or will happen again. Fans from 31 other teams and visitors to yoir crap city have been saying how awful it is for decades. Stop trying to put lipstick on a pig. Just stop


"Nonsense"?

Lmao.... yeah you're right its everyone. We're all garbage humans.

And trust me I knew it was gonna be a tough task.. attempting to alter the mindset of a [for example] Minnesota fan who now believes they are morally superior to millions of people in our area. It' a dummy mission.

But it just makes me respect the Vikings fans more who have the ability to use reason and perspective. I have been pleasantly surprised to know there are a lot of you.

Cheers to that.

And then there's people like you who are incapable of thinking when dealing with large quantities. You just sum things up to their simplest form.

And that's okay... in life I always root for the underdog.


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Boon wrote:
Can we just ban all these eagles fans? Tired of this "its not everyone" nonsense. Really am. Just enjoy your loss this weekend and go away. Nobody here cares how apologetic you are, its not going to magically change the douchebaggery that happened, or will happen again. Fans from 31 other teams and visitors to yoir crap city have been saying how awful it is for decades. Stop trying to put lipstick on a pig. Just stop


"Nonsense"?

Lmao.... yeah you're right its everyone. We're all garbage humans.

And trust me I knew it was gonna be a tough task.. attempting to alter the mindset of a [for example] Minnesota fan who now believes they are morally superior to millions of people in our area. It' a dummy mission.

But it just makes me respect the Vikings fans more who have the ability to use reason and perspective. I have been pleasantly surprised to know there are a lot of you.

Cheers to that.

And then there's people like you who are incapable of thinking when dealing with large quantities. You just sum things up to their simplest form.

And that's okay... in life I always root for the underdog.



All i read was blah blah blah blah blah.

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All i read was blah blah blah blah blah.



Well yeah once I wrote my fifth word I knew this was gonna be an uphill battle for you.

And before we part ways I do want to commend you because you do an outstanding job of representing the whiney can't-take-a-loss crybaby section of the Vkings fan base.


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The whole problem with these apologies is with one simple question: "What is the 'majority' going to do to curb the violence and egregious behaviour of the 'minority'?"

And that answer is more than likely going to be nothing. Your team is not going to implement rules or regulations to cut off the head of the snake, and the more it grows, the worse the Philadelphian reputation becomes. The city of Philadelphia needs to do something to tell sports fans they are no longer tolerating this kind of behavior. The first step is for the "majority" of good fans, as you'd call them, to show that they too, won't tolerate this ####.


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The whole problem with these apologies is with one simple question: "What is the 'majority' going to do to curb the violence and egregious behaviour of the 'minority'?"

And that answer is more than likely going to be nothing. Your team is not going to implement rules or regulations to cut off the head of the snake, and the more it grows, the worse the Philadelphian reputation becomes. The city of Philadelphia needs to do something to tell sports fans they are no longer tolerating this kind of behavior. The first step is for the "majority" of good fans, as you'd call them, to show that they too, won't tolerate this ####.


Holy smug quotations.


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The whole problem with these apologies is with one simple question: "What is the 'majority' going to do to curb the violence and egregious behaviour of the 'minority'?"

And that answer is more than likely going to be nothing. Your team is not going to implement rules or regulations to cut off the head of the snake, and the more it grows, the worse the Philadelphian reputation becomes. The city of Philadelphia needs to do something to tell sports fans they are no longer tolerating this kind of behavior. The first step is for the "majority" of good fans, as you'd call them, to show that they too, won't tolerate this ####.


That’s it in a nutshell. At best this stuff is tolerated by the majority. At worst it’s endorsed.


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Rhodes Closed wrote:
The whole problem with these apologies is with one simple question: "What is the 'majority' going to do to curb the violence and egregious behaviour of the 'minority'?"

And that answer is more than likely going to be nothing. Your team is not going to implement rules or regulations to cut off the head of the snake, and the more it grows, the worse the Philadelphian reputation becomes. The city of Philadelphia needs to do something to tell sports fans they are no longer tolerating this kind of behavior. The first step is for the "majority" of good fans, as you'd call them, to show that they too, won't tolerate this ####.


That’s it in a nutshell. At best this stuff is tolerated by the majority. At worst it’s endorsed.


That simple eh?


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PineBarrenDave wrote:
SkolVikings69 wrote:
Rhodes Closed wrote:
The whole problem with these apologies is with one simple question: "What is the 'majority' going to do to curb the violence and egregious behaviour of the 'minority'?"

And that answer is more than likely going to be nothing. Your team is not going to implement rules or regulations to cut off the head of the snake, and the more it grows, the worse the Philadelphian reputation becomes. The city of Philadelphia needs to do something to tell sports fans they are no longer tolerating this kind of behavior. The first step is for the "majority" of good fans, as you'd call them, to show that they too, won't tolerate this ####.


That’s it in a nutshell. At best this stuff is tolerated by the majority. At worst it’s endorsed.


That simple eh?

Certainly seems like it, since you're dodging the question. What are fans and the team going to do to prevent things like this from happening again? It's a simple question, seriously.


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You idiots need to get off our board and stop looking for sympathy. We don't like you and neither does anyone else in sports. When players have to be wary of their own family member's safety in the stands there is a major problem there. Don't you clowns understand that? I seriously hope you lose and wish you the worst in general. Philadelphia is a disgrace of a city to behave like that (year after year). This isn't anything new. Maybe with some luck you can get another dumb statue of a fictional person that can operate as the root core of your sad, pathetic city.


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Certainly seems like it, since you're dodging the question. What are fans and the team going to do to prevent things like this from happening again? It's a simple question, seriously.


I am honored that you respect me enough to grant me the task of game-planning a fix to the state of the Philadelphian gameday experience. I will start with the Eagles tailgate then will move on to inner cities like Chicago, Detroit, and our very own Filthadelphia. Then I will maybe even bring my efforts overseas.

But yes there are certainly (how I see it) some easy fixes.

1. Police do not ID anyone at the tailgates. This leads to a large amounts of annoying immature idiots yelling and screaming. Police should, maybe, start, you know, IDing clear underage drinkers?

2. For a 6:30 NFC championship game, how about, say not open the parking lots at like 9 AM?

3. Via social media, newspapers, and radio the city should issue a WARNING in advance.
Violence of any kind will not be tolerated. And yes throwing a plastic cup with 1/2 a beer in it will be considered "violence".

Those are some of the simpler fixers.

But friendly and even drunken verbal abuse and "F*** Y**s!" is common at every tailgate. The beer throwing and other nonsense that happened during the NFC championship game is not.


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You idiots need to get off our board and stop looking for sympathy. We don't like you and neither does anyone else in sports. When players have to be wary of their own family member's safety in the stands there is a major problem there. Don't you clowns understand that? I seriously hope you lose and wish you the worst in general. Philadelphia is a disgrace of a city to behave like that (year after year). This isn't anything new. Maybe with some luck you can get another dumb statue of a fictional person that can operate as the root core of your sad, pathetic city.


1. You seem like you'd fit in well with the idiot pigs in South Philly.

2. The whole Rocky thing isn't about "Rocky" it's about the story and theme of the underdog. Kinda like how the Buddha is a fictional character but him ever really existing is unimportant.

3. I never wanted symphony, I just wanted to add some perspective. Some perspective that apparently is nowhere close to wanted. I felt bad about the fan experience two Sundays ago, but sounds to me like some of you (you) just want to feel bad for yourselves. So there's that.

I'm gonna head out, good luck next season, and I expect the Vikings and that defense to be contenders again.


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PineBarrenDave wrote:
Rhodes Closed wrote:
The whole problem with these apologies is with one simple question: "What is the 'majority' going to do to curb the violence and egregious behaviour of the 'minority'?"

And that answer is more than likely going to be nothing. Your team is not going to implement rules or regulations to cut off the head of the snake, and the more it grows, the worse the Philadelphian reputation becomes. The city of Philadelphia needs to do something to tell sports fans they are no longer tolerating this kind of behavior. The first step is for the "majority" of good fans, as you'd call them, to show that they too, won't tolerate this ####.


Holy smug quotations.


This is your problem, Dave. Rhodes Closed just gave you a rough plan for the team, police and decent people in/around Philly for cleaning up this city's reputation and you respond like a child.

Have you lived in any other area than the tri-state area for longer than 5 years? You might not know what it's like to live in a community that self-regulates and sets value standards for it's young and impressionable. It may not be your fault you lack perspective and can't understand what every other community already knows about this place and the people in it. It is your fault for opening your mouth and showing the internet how narrow you are.

You should probably leave and go pre-maturely celebrate your Super Bowl win like everyone else around here is and when you lose I'll be there to help you up.


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mosscarter wrote:
You idiots need to get off our board and stop looking for sympathy. We don't like you and neither does anyone else in sports. When players have to be wary of their own family member's safety in the stands there is a major problem there. Don't you clowns understand that? I seriously hope you lose and wish you the worst in general. Philadelphia is a disgrace of a city to behave like that (year after year). This isn't anything new. Maybe with some luck you can get another dumb statue of a fictional person that can operate as the root core of your sad, pathetic city.


1. You seem like you'd fit in well with the idiot pigs in South Philly.

2. The whole Rocky thing isn't about "Rocky" it's about the story and theme of the underdog. Kinda like how the Buddha is a fictional character but him ever really existing is unimportant.

3. I never wanted symphony, I just wanted to add some perspective. Some perspective that apparently is nowhere close to wanted. I felt bad about the fan experience two Sundays ago, but sounds to me like some of you (you) just want to feel bad for yourselves. So there's that.

I'm gonna head out, good luck next season, and I expect the Vikings and that defense to be contenders again.


No... Siddharta Gautama was pretty real. I mean, he did live from c. 540 to c. 400 BCE.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gautama_Buddha

EDIT: Not really arguing any of your points... just sayin'.

EDIT EDIT: And don't read that as a smug reply either... I was just pointing out the... flaw in the logic... :| I'll shut up now.


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Rhodes Closed wrote:
PineBarrenDave wrote:
mosscarter wrote:
You idiots need to get off our board and stop looking for sympathy. We don't like you and neither does anyone else in sports. When players have to be wary of their own family member's safety in the stands there is a major problem there. Don't you clowns understand that? I seriously hope you lose and wish you the worst in general. Philadelphia is a disgrace of a city to behave like that (year after year). This isn't anything new. Maybe with some luck you can get another dumb statue of a fictional person that can operate as the root core of your sad, pathetic city.


1. You seem like you'd fit in well with the idiot pigs in South Philly.

2. The whole Rocky thing isn't about "Rocky" it's about the story and theme of the underdog. Kinda like how the Buddha is a fictional character but him ever really existing is unimportant.

3. I never wanted symphony, I just wanted to add some perspective. Some perspective that apparently is nowhere close to wanted. I felt bad about the fan experience two Sundays ago, but sounds to me like some of you (you) just want to feel bad for yourselves. So there's that.

I'm gonna head out, good luck next season, and I expect the Vikings and that defense to be contenders again.


No... Siddharta Gautama was pretty real. I mean, he did live from c. 540 to c. 400 BCE.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gautama_Buddha

EDIT: Not really arguing any of your points... just sayin'.

EDIT EDIT: And don't read that as a smug reply either... I was just pointing out the... flaw in the logic... :| I'll shut up now.


You are definitely not wrong but "the Buddha" as we know him is based on Siddhartha Guatama just as much as the movie "Captain Phillips" is based on the real Captain Phillips.

But yeah this is all really really besides the point.


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You are definitely not wrong but "the Buddha" as we know him is based on Siddhartha Guatama just as much as the movie "Captain Phillips" is based on the real Captain Phillips.

But yeah this is all really really besides the point.


PS, thanks for giving me the chance to look up stuff on Buddhism, it's always a treat to get to know more about it. :lol:


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I was there along with four other family members, three were women that will never go to an away game again. Maybe it will take people to not attend these events to get the message out that paying customers will not put up with this crap,In my opinion,unless the NFL gets involved and penalizes teams that can't control the fan situation,nothing will change.My daughter lives in Philadelphia and was sick over how bad we were treated, we could not even get on the subway on game day because we were wearing Vikings gear, they blocked the doors and said that no F ing Vikings fans were getting on .I asked a transit cop if it was always like this and he said we were crazy to even think about getting on the train,so as long as that is the attitude of police and security ,I have no hope of anything changing .


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PineBarrenDave wrote:
Rhodes Closed wrote:
The whole problem with these apologies is with one simple question: "What is the 'majority' going to do to curb the violence and egregious behaviour of the 'minority'?"

And that answer is more than likely going to be nothing. Your team is not going to implement rules or regulations to cut off the head of the snake, and the more it grows, the worse the Philadelphian reputation becomes. The city of Philadelphia needs to do something to tell sports fans they are no longer tolerating this kind of behavior. The first step is for the "majority" of good fans, as you'd call them, to show that they too, won't tolerate this ####.


Holy smug quotations.


This is your problem, Dave. Rhodes Closed just gave you a rough plan for the team, police and decent people in/around Philly for cleaning up this city's reputation and you respond like a child.


Have you lived in any other area than the tri-state area for longer than 5 years? You might not know what it's like to live in a community that self-regulates and sets value standards for it's young and impressionable. It may not be your fault you lack perspective and can't understand what every other community already knows about this place and the people in it. It is your fault for opening your mouth and showing the internet how narrow you are.

You should probably leave and go pre-maturely celebrate your Super Bowl win like everyone else around here is and when you lose I'll be there to help you up.


This world where communities all across the country live sustainable and virtuous existences and then there's the tri-state jungle where it's 100% dog-eat-dog with no signs of heart or morality just doesn't exist.

And you are entitled to your opinion on me, so a narrow-minded child it is.

And PhillyVike, I say this knowing that you are probably a great dude, but you seem to have the mentality that would mimmick a 1930s racist. :?


Sun Feb 04, 2018 12:25 pm
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PineBarrenDave wrote:

This world where communities all across the country live sustainable and virtuous existences and then there's the tri-state jungle where it's 100% dog-eat-dog with no signs of heart or morality just doesn't exist.

And you are entitled to your opinion on me, so a narrow-minded child it is.

And PhillyVike, I say this knowing that you are probably a great dude, but you seem to have the mentality that would mimmick a 1930s racist. :?


Now why would you bring my favorite author into this? :(


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This has run its course


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