Philly dilly wrote:I'll just say this, if you don't have video of it, it didn't happen. In this day and age of everything on video, and especially taking video of the game, how could you not have video of it. Let's see the video evidence and let us be the judge. I think some of this is being made up. Just my opinion.
You come on here to apologize, then you call fans who experienced verbal abuse liars. Note that there are some people in the world who experience life. There are others who film it. I prefer to experience life and rarely film what is going on around me. I don't have time for that sh!t. I like how you weren't there, but "it is "your opinion" that it didn't happen.
Philly dilly wrote:I've seen many videos already, one with open beers cans being thrown (not unopened like has been mentioned here) but all the rest are verbal assaults. Where is all this "violence" people are talking about?
I've reread my post a dozen times now, and simply cannot find the part where I talk about violence. I guess I'm missing something.
Philly dilly wrote:I've been verbally assaulted at EVERY away game I've ever been to including NY, Washington, AZ, San Francisco, Dallas, and Chicago. I honestly expected it. Had food thrown at me. A beer or two thrown at me. It probably would have been 10x worse if there were playoff implications.
Where's the video evidence? I've attended games in all of those places as well, and NEVER had food or beer thrown at me, and only one or two verbal missiles. If you are being assaulted at EVERY away game you attend, perhaps you should examine yourself and your own behavior. Let me give you a pointer: if you behave like a typical Eagles fan in an enemy stadium, you are are inviting retaliation. Most of the rest of us behave respecftfully.
Philly dilly wrote:Listen, it was wrong for people to do treat the fans who came here like that, but to paint "80- 90% of the fanbase like that is just soooo wrong. As I said, many fans here have "embraced" picture of the fanbase the media has created. It's sad but true. I'm not condoning it, it just is what it is.
First of all, I didn't paint 80%-90% of the fanbase as anything. In fact, I expressly conceded that I only interacted with that portion of the fanbase who attended the game (and some on the streets of Philly). Perhaps a large percentage are kind, decent, welcoming people. The majority at the game are not. Second, you then concede that "many fans" have "embraced" the Eagles' fans boorish reputation. Which is it? The few fans who behave boorishly do not represent the Eagle fan base, or "many" have "embraced" it? Sounds like you're talking out both sides of your mouth.
Philly dilly wrote:Eagle Rob has apologized for it and I am too, . . . .
Coming on here and calling a Vikings fan who had a poor experience interacting with Eagles fans a liar is an odd way of apologizing.
Philly dilly wrote:[T]o dwell on it and to say that you are going to return the favor to Eagle fans when they come there just sounds so weak. Thought Vikings fans were above all that. Guess not.
Never said anything at all about returning the favor. In fact, I feel the opposite. I think Minny fans should be as welcoming and amicable as they always are. The only thing I have ever said is that I no longer can see myself cheering for the Eagles. Their a$$hole fanbase doesn't deserve a winning team.
Philly dilly wrote:Furthermore, as I stated in my rebuttal previously, the fans here are not the way they are because of some "chasm" or "income equality" they are like this because they truly are one of the most passionate fanbases in the country to never win a SB and I think some people (much of that 10%) are pissed off about it.
Guess what, I have cheered for the Vikings since I was a young child and an NBA franchise that has never won the title. Between those two teams, I have nearly 100 years of cheering for teams that have never won titles. Doesn't excuse boorish behavior. Nor am I stating that income inequality absolutely causes the resentment and divisiveness I saw in Philly, just trying to defend PhillyVike's point and positing that the reality he sees in Philly is a possible cause for pent up hostility -- as opposed to the "poor people behaving badly" screed others here have ascribed to him.
Philly dilly wrote:And by the way ChicagoViking, what city in this country has " by far, the worst murder rate? Yep, Chicago.
Ahh, a typical strawman from an obvious Trump supporter. WTF does that have to do with anything? It wasn't me who brought up the income inequality issue in Philly. It was PhillyVike. More importantly, your statement is simply flat out false, which is fairly typical for someone like you who relies on opinion over fact and has the views you seem to espouse. According to the 2016 crime numbers, the cities with the highest murder rate per capita are, in the following order, St. Louis, Baltimore, Detroit, New Orleans, Newark, Cleveland, Jackson, Orlando, Memphis, North Charleston, San Bernardino, then Chicago. And, while your silly and counterfactual point has nothing to do with the back-and-forth on this board, it also reveals that you know absolutely nothing about the murders that do take place in Chicago. The vast majority of them occur because approximately 15 years ago, a friend of mine in the Justice Department brought down the two gangs that controlled the Chicago drug trade -- the Vice Lords and the Latin Kings. What the DOJ didn't anticipate when they did that is that it would create a void that would be filled by countless new block-by-block territorial gangs who control very small pieces of territory on the South Side of Chicago. When someone crosses from one gang's territory into another, people get shot. Not minimizing it, but it has very little to do with income inequality (except to the extent the drug market is run by gang members who believe they have no shot of achieving success outside of a life of crime), and everything to do with drug gangs. For what it's worth, I have lived in Chicago since 1991, even living on the south side in Hyde Park for 12 years, and I work downtown every day. I have never felt as unsafe in Chicago as I felt in Philly in two days.
Philly dilly wrote:Lastly, your Fox News statement is ridiculous and could be said about ALL other media outlets that are continuing to divide this country because they don't like one person because every media outlet says not to like him.
LOL. A Fox "News" apologist. No wonder.